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Understanding "Time"...
    #14628782 - 06/17/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I watched a really interesting documentary today called "What time is it?" and it went into the really intricate details of how we define time, and how we determine time on a universal level. Many physicists and cosmologists interviewed shared the opinion that time as we know it started 13.7 billion years ago, when the so called Big Bang event happened. Now i've always been at war with my own thoughts as to how there was simply nothingness prior to this event. However one physicist proposed a theory that i'd never heard of and it really got my thinking, relating to string theory.

His theory stipulated that time had been around forever, existing in a 4th dimension. He went on to say that the big bang event was when this dimension and ours, (he labelled them membranes, our universe yet to be created and this other, 4th dimension) collided, which began time in the universe or dimension as we know it. When you think about it, its quite a drastic theory and his logic behind it was not well explained, however it really got me thinking. Can time have just started at the Big Bang event, or has it be around forever?

It's such a hard concept for me to grasp that absolutely nothing existed before the Big Bang, how a tiny speck of Hydrogen and Helium all of a sudden created a Universe as vast as ours. Are there other dimensions out there that co-exist with ours that we are unaware of?

Obviously no one can answer these questions, however im curious as to what some of you here think about the topic. It has been proven that space time slows and warps when passing by very strong gravitational fields like our Sun, meaning that time is not linear, nor is it constant. It boggles my mind just to think about it.

I'd love to hear some other views on the topic as it was a truly eye opening documentary.


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: DepthToTheCore]
    #14628845 - 06/17/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ahh, here is the docco, forgive me if my above post has skewed some of what is said, i was trying to rememeber it from 2 days ago.

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v16954597Y3nnmXx3


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: DepthToTheCore]
    #14628857 - 06/17/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In my opinion it's just our time that started 13.7m years ago. I'm sure there was something before that and it seems to me that time is infinite. The universe is just a endless cycle, or so it appears to make sens to me.


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: DepthToTheCore]
    #14628887 - 06/17/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Time is only a measurement. :omfg::trippnballs: :pipesmoke:

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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: OddEye] * 1
    #14629511 - 06/17/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> The universe is just a endless cycle, or so it appears to make sens to me.

Unfortunately, the universe doesn't care what makes sense to you, nor does our current understanding (and measurements) support your opinion that there is an endless cycle in play.


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: Seuss]
    #14629814 - 06/17/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A cycle to me sounds like a repeating event which is far from the case within our Universe at least. However how can distances between galaxies and distances of stars from Earth be accurate whent the documentary proves that time space time slows as it passes by a large gravitational field such as our Sun?


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: Seuss]
    #14635701 - 06/18/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> The universe is just a endless cycle, or so it appears to make sens to me.

Unfortunately, the universe doesn't care what makes sense to you, nor does our current understanding (and measurements) support your opinion that there is an endless cycle in play.



Of course, it just seems intuitive that there would be something. Just seems weird to me that there is so many cyclic thing in the world that the universe would just happen once.

I don't really understand spacetime all that well just how I see it.


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: OddEye]
    #14641267 - 06/20/11 03:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The big bang theory does not suggest that something came out of nothing. It explains how the universe is evolving, not how it began.

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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: Abnormal]
    #14663657 - 06/24/11 02:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sometimes I think quantifying time is just stupid. Why should we?


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: Darwin23]
    #14664086 - 06/24/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Sometimes I think quantifying time is just stupid. Why should we?



:thumbup:

Time is just a tool we humans invented. Like we invented some other tools for measurement like meter, inches, miles.
You can measure how long(time) it takes to cover the distance between point A to point B.

But we cant really measure universe nor in time nor in space.. because its infinite in both ways.


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: ivander]
    #14675527 - 06/26/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I recently learned about this fourth dimension and found it very fascinating. Since we are in a third dimension, we can not even think about the fourth dimension. To describe it, they talked about the second dimension. We can see into it because the second dimension is only a plane and the "beings" in that plane only see that flat surface. People are not really sure what the fourth dimension is, some people think that it is time.. But the crazy thing to think about is the fact that whatever it is, it can see everything that happens in this dimension and we can't even perceive it.
Sorry for the ramble, but I just like to talk about it.. its so interesting.


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: Seuss]
    #14675993 - 06/26/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> The universe is just a endless cycle, or so it appears to make sens to me.

Unfortunately, the universe doesn't care what makes sense to you, nor does our current understanding (and measurements) support your opinion that there is an endless cycle in play.





So the possibility of the universe collapsing isn't accepted?  I had heard that not long ago.  If that's the case does current understanding follow more along the lines of maximum entropy/heat death?


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14680676 - 06/27/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Awetonnes :laugh:

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Time is just a tool we humans invented. Like we invented some other tools for measurement like meter, inches, miles.



I don't believe that we 'invented' time, or anything for that matter, I believe that we Dis-covered these things.. (including ourselves) This is based upon the understanding of the 10th Dimension itself- i'll get back to this..

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Unfortunately, the universe doesn't care what makes sense to you, nor does our current understanding (and measurements) support your opinion that there is an endless cycle in play.



This isnt True.. Just as Time is subjective, so too is ones relationship with the Universe at large.. And besides that, there is always something -in/of- the Universe that does care about you.. Did anything really 'come-into' this universe (besides possibly the entire thing..) or did they come -out of- this Universe.. As far as I can tell, this big spacetime gave birth to everything, just as my mother gave birth to me.. I came from her, Of her.. You are it in essence, so for starters, how much do you care?

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We can see into it because the second dimension is only a plane and the "beings" in that plane only see that flat surface. People are not really sure what the fourth dimension is, some people think that it is time..



Modern Physics, and Quantum Physics both share definitions of the Dimensions.. (as they begin to correlate their interconnection to eachother)- Including Time-
Which would be described as the Fourth Dimensions (and vice versa)
And to have depthpercption of time, can happens sometimes.. What we are experiencing is a single moment of the 4th Dimension here in the 3rd.. (consciously experiencing anyway..) The Present Now.. We see into the 3rd Dimension, and in ways into the ones below.. (and potentially into ones beyond the 4th)

Idono if this was the Video you watched, but to grasp some further understanding- It's a pretty simple explanation of a rather complex system.. Understanding the 10th Dimensions (which requires one to understand all previous.. at least from our Current 3D Perspective as I understand it.. so it starts with the first :smile: )


part 1


part2

As the video describes our relationship to the fourth dimension, you could very well imagine beings in this realm (or if we could look into it as the video suggests) they/we would have Depth-Perception of Time.. At least from the perspective of our present moment, in relation to our experienced History..

But as we move up to the fourth Dimensions, you realize that this 4th dimensional depth perception, changes with every moment of Present passing 'time' in the 3rd.. Twisting and turning through alternate possible outcomes in the 5th dimension..

And the scale continues onward..
There is even theories of 3 more dimensions beyond the 10th.. Though much of Quantum physics is still considered Theory by many..

An example from what I can tell (and I am really learning all this stuff still, this is some of what I've gathered and put-together..)
is when one is on Psilocybin for example.. and one perceives tracers, that could very well be a form of 4D depth perception.. In the sense that ones senses have been hightened, as The Universe appears to be based upon frequency, also on the assumption that Psilocybin increases ones frequency..
(it could very well slow down ones frequency in contrast, and hence create a slowing down of the 3D perception, allowing one to see multiple moments of the 3d.. Though this from what I can tell, would also be a form of 4D depth perception- no?)

Another example is when people 'see' into the future- Are they seeing off into the 4th dimension- which such predictions could easily change do to that perception(because it's only based upon the present 3d moment, and doesnt consider changes beyond that moment, which is why it's so hard to predict the future)- Or are they looking into the 5th dimension (or beyond..?) which would be more vague but carry far more accuracy..?

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A cycle to me sounds like a repeating event which is far from the case within our Universe at least.



Sincerely though, isnt the present moment a cyclical moment.. How can we say that time isnt cyclical in and of itself..? To me it appears that's exactly what it is.. But definition of further dimensions can define how Time(as 4D) is in relationships with other Dimensions, that we all interact with ourselves to even have a perception of them- And what we sense is that there is More then just the Time-Space we perceive.... But each dimensions can be understood individually to a degree, but they require every other to even exist..


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His theory stipulated that time had been around forever, existing in a 4th dimension.




That is why it appears this way when we try to look at the 4th dimension by itself.. and from a strictly 3D perception.. It doesnt explain the whole picture, it has the ring of Truth to it, but lacking..

Just think, if all the ways the two 10th dimension videos express where possible- Like going back in time, and these other dimensions existing eternally interconnected with our own- How we could travel through them to change and alter this present experience of them...

Isnt it easy then to see, that it is very well happening right now as we speak.. We are simply just unconscious to it.. And if we could be conscious to it, we would then be that classic "Enlightened State" we often hear thrown around..??
Can we even understand what that would Mean?

Terence Mckenna goes into a lot of Theories, and how the Mayans supposedly predicted the End of "Time" as we know it, and not necessarily the End of the World..
One of his theories is that if we discovered time Travel.. Having a linear set of Time would now be basically forfeit, because we could freely travel through it..
Could this be from Physical Technology with Machines, or Metaphysical Technology in our Minds and Consciousness/Perception..?


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Re: Understanding "Time"... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14680749 - 06/27/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So the possibility of the universe collapsing isn't accepted?  I had heard that not long ago.  If that's the case does current understanding follow more along the lines of maximum entropy/heat death?




If time is eternal with 4D, then even if the 3D physical realm collapsed in on itself, eventually it would change into something else, again so to speak "colliding" with the 4thD, and forming anew TimeSpace, with perhaps entirely New forms of basics Fundamental Laws (like gravity etc, such as the videos suggest)

Further into the Dimensions, all these different so called "Uni-Verses" would exist as a Multiverse (Though UniVerse is a word that could very well Contain all the Multi-Verse in itself as A Single Multiverse of all possible universes, as One Universe.. blah, relative semantics.. but if you get what I'm meaning..)

As we look at Multidimensionality- Everything hasnt happened, is currently happening, or has already happened all at the same time..
Though we are perceiving the Present Moment of it all, the Only Moment, and Eternal Now and Forever..

And paradoxically, these two apparently separate things, are happening at the same time simultaneously.. It all comes down to Awareness- Everything is Perception.
We are collectively sharing this Perception- and inasmuch, the Perception we have is influenced by the Collective Perception.. (such as- being human, social/cultural values and beliefes, living on earth, the 3D perspective itself, etc..) We were Born into this Individually, and Subjectively within these Objectives (Humanity, Earthlings, Father, Mother, etc..)- But we are a Perceptual Sensing Device (so to speak) of the Universe, the voices, hands, ears, and eyes of the Dimensions.. Presently focused within the 3rd- But our potential is far beyond.. Infinite..

Individually, and Collectively.
As this One Self, and the Universe at whole..


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