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What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality?
    #14606825 - 06/13/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

'Tis a real beard-stroker. :strokebeard:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: Poid]
    #14607248 - 06/13/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Question doesn't make any sense.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14607256 - 06/13/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sleepwalker said:
Question doesn't make any sense.




Doesn't make sense?  It's a tautology.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14607377 - 06/13/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I like psychology for it's detail and I like spirituality for it's simplicity. Both have their junk. It's hard to say just what either spirituality or psychology are though, they both have different people saying different things so you're on your own ultimately.


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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #14607762 - 06/13/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I like psychology for it's detail and I like spirituality for it's simplicity. Both have their junk. It's hard to say just what either spirituality or psychology are though, they both have different people saying different things so you're on your own ultimately.




right. i think it's more of a question of what makes more sense to the individual.

spirituality can be intimidating because it sometimes just sounds like mumbo-jumbo.

psychology can be intimidating because it makes humans seem like they are machines.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: Poid]
    #14608050 - 06/13/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Psychology comprises a lot of conflicting notions, so... what psychology?

Spirituality also comprises a lot of conflicting notions, so... what spirituality?

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14608072 - 06/13/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Psychology comprises a lot of conflicting notions, so... what psychology?

Spirituality also comprises a lot of conflicting notions, so... what spirituality?




In lieu of this specification, just take the broad definition.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14608080 - 06/13/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In response, I will smash my face on my keyboard for your enjoyment:



tyujy6t5r4ewsderfgbnv  cdert6uy9jokerw24536789imn bvdfger45tyhjdfswq

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: nglsnv]
    #14608144 - 06/13/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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psychology can be intimidating because it makes humans seem like they are machines.




Do you mean to imply that we're not machines?


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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: viktor]
    #14608450 - 06/13/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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psychology can be intimidating because it makes humans seem like they are machines.




Do you mean to imply that we're not machines?




didn't mean to, really. i meant machine as in robotic, with no meaning to our actions/emotions/thoughts other than the processes that facilitate them.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14609906 - 06/14/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
In response, I will smash my face on my keyboard for your enjoyment:



tyujy6t5r4ewsderfgbnv  cdert6uy9jokerw24536789imn bvdfger45tyhjdfswq





Now THIS deserves a :strokebeard:
You're a deep guy, frock.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14610042 - 06/14/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14610700 - 06/14/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You notice the word "joker" ended up being in there? Lol.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14626694 - 06/17/11 05:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sleepwalker said:
Question doesn't make any sense.


It reads as a pretty simple, easy, straight-forward question to me..what about it doesn't make sense to you? :confused:



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Sleepwalker said:
Question doesn't make any sense.




Doesn't make sense?  It's a tautology.


I don't really understand..are you saying that the statement is a rhetorical tautology, or a logical tautology? The inherent meanings and subsequent conclusions in rhetorical and logical tautologies are very different..I don't see how it's either. :undecided:


A rhetorical tautology conveys no useful information regardless of its length or complexity making it unfalsifiable..the question in the OP is neither long, complex, or unfalsifiable. It is also not meant to convey useful information as much as it is meant to ask a question.

Examples of logical tautologies would be the law of the excluded middle, and the principle known as reducto ad absurdum..I don't see how the question in the OP relates to either of those.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: nglsnv]
    #14626696 - 06/17/11 05:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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psychology can be intimidating because it makes humans seem like they are machines.




Do you mean to imply that we're not machines?




didn't mean to, really. i meant machine as in robotic, with no meaning to our actions/emotions/thoughts other than the processes that facilitate them.


Why do you think there is any meaning our actions/emotions/thoughts?


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: Poid]
    #14627660 - 06/17/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well, psychological analysis is much less subjective and more reliable for the most part. I'd advise a psychologist over a psychic for most people.  But to neglect the spiritual transpersonal aspect of things is a mistake. How many people go to a psychologist and end up using what they learn to reinforce their own bullshit? When really what they need to hear is: wake the fuck up, your soul is dead, stop watching so much T.V. and eat some goddam mushrooms or do yoga or something.


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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: g00ru]
    #14627686 - 06/17/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Has anybody ever called you a stereotype?


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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: Poid]
    #14628066 - 06/17/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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psychology can be intimidating because it makes humans seem like they are machines.




Do you mean to imply that we're not machines?




didn't mean to, really. i meant machine as in robotic, with no meaning to our actions/emotions/thoughts other than the processes that facilitate them.


Why do you think there is any meaning our actions/emotions/thoughts?




i'm not arrogant enough to assert that there is some sort of objective truth to our existence but i'm also not naive enough to think that people don't assign meaning to the various aspects of their lives. it's easy to say nothing is real and there is no meaning but i don't think this is a very productive mindset to have.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: nglsnv]
    #14628081 - 06/17/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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...i don't think this is a very productive mindset to have.


So what if it's not productive? :undecided:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: What describes human psychology more accurately/solidly: psychology or spirituality? [Re: nglsnv]
    #14628121 - 06/17/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i'm not arrogant enough to assert that there is some sort of objective truth to our existence but i'm also not naive enough to think that people don't assign meaning to the various aspects of their lives. it's easy to say nothing is real and there is no meaning but i don't think this is a very productive mindset to have.




Productive by whose standards, yours?


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