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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: desert father]
#14621986 - 06/16/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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desert father said: alright, here's my shotty explanation of my thought haha
i believe that the genitals in times before us had been better understood, more well respected, and held in higher regard (not that they are not now, these are very broad generalizations). by this i mean that there was a much greater need and feel for reproduction, in the sense that survival was more of a challenge then.
when survival had been reduced to a trade (trade money or something of value for food/water), reproduction and the way people looked at it might have changed. the change probably divided those with old beliefs and those with faith in consumerism. this divide caused a fear of walking naked holy men, or a fear of exposure. maybe this was developed because of a superiority complex that the consumers had developed over those with respect and need for regeneration.
jealousy could then be thrown into the mix because of a complete misunderstanding of old ways, and the fact that people worked together less to survive, so in turn they all developed subjective ideas of what was or wasn't appropriate, and had law and government to back up their ideas. they wanted people to be clothed in an attempt to cloak the fact that we are all animals. in a way i feel that clothes and such culture separated us from our instinctive selves, and this new form of individuality led to a misunderstanding of the nature of ourselves. these ideas could have led to men and women becoming jealous of one another because survival was no longer what it had been, hence the need to have laws and statutes that require clothes.
people naturally don't want to see how they are inferior to another human, so clothes and these laws were used to hide their psychological insecurities, thus breeding jealousy out of fear, which had been bread out of ignorance or lack of understanding of the respect that our ancestors had for the genitals.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
#14622018 - 06/16/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i'm confused, are you implying that i'm retarded?
it's not a problem if you are, but i gave you the time to explain myself, would you care to do so as well?
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14622020 - 06/16/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

You guys are smart, I'll let you guys realize on your own why a society that accepted pedestry, homosexuality and a variety of sexual lifestyles, did not have a moral influence on the sexuality proposed to individuals reading bible!
In other words I was right about you and you can't back your claims. 
you have to be kidding me?
Back my claims?
What sort of evidence do you need anyways?
If you can't see why a society that promoted pedophilia and homosexuality, a society of pansexuals, could not have influenced the biblical morality concerning sexuality you must have a screw loose.
You also, did not even attempt to show me why greek society influenced biblical morality anyways, so I can't see how you get off calling me retarded when you haven't even began to bring ANY evidence contrary to what I have said and for what you said.

Jeez, talk about loopy.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: desert father]
#14622035 - 06/16/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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desert father said: ?
i'm confused, are you implying that i'm retarded?
it's not a problem if you are, but i gave you the time to explain myself, would you care to do so as well?

Welcome to the shroomery!
Wow, ithink, wow.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14622088 - 06/16/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Another more tangible reason is that children have a natural curiosity about their own genitals and especially those of their parents, but are generally discouraged from touching themselves, other children and obviously their parents. This repressed curiosity then manifests itself as an anxiety.
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But why was touching of others' genitals first looked down upon? Also, could you explain how a penis symbolizes the "finitude of the flesh"?
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I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding, if the child thinks it's okay to fondle himself, his siblings, and his parents he may go on to think it's okay to have sex with them
I think that settles it, don't you?
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14622105 - 06/16/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never called anyone retarded but if the shoe fits.
I don't have to prove anything because I made no claims. I want you to prove your claims instead if insisting they are self evident which they are not to me and others here.
Human sexuality is a very complex issue and often taboos and such make no sense until you understand the psychology behind them.
So here's your chance to explain it all. Others here have done you that courtesy. (Ziggy)
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14622171 - 06/16/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I never called anyone retarded but if the shoe fits.
I don't have to prove anything because I made no claims. I want you to prove your claims instead if insisting they are self evident which they are not to me and others here.
Human sexuality is a very complex issue and often taboos and such make no sense until you understand the psychology behind them.
So here's your chance to explain it all. Others here have done you that courtesy. (Ziggy)
I actually didn't say they were self-evident. I said "Anyone who knows basic greek history would never claim that biblical sexual morality could have been influenced by it"
I also provided a link showing that greek sexual morality is polar opposite to bilbical sexual morality.
Pedophelia for fuck sakes!
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14622241 - 06/16/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would laugh at the idea that greek ideology surrounding sexuality could possibly have affected the biblical teachings.
Greeks influenced Roman culture and Roman culture had influence on Jewish culture.
Not to mention that there was more to Greek and Roman sexuality than Pedophilia.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14622304 - 06/16/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's either-
-Genitals are highly sensitive areas of the body and extremely vulnerable to discomfort through environmental factors, such as sun exposure, cold, or general wear and tear. The nature of our genitals(sex) combined with our need to cover/protect them has caused our feelings regarding exposure.
-Eve ate an evil apple from an evil tree and brought an eternal curse upon all of humanity.
IMO aversion is not the only result, obsession can occur just as easily (depending on your attitude towards sex).
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14622387 - 06/16/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I would laugh at the idea that greek ideology surrounding sexuality could possibly have affected the biblical teachings.
Greeks influenced Roman culture and Roman culture had influence on Jewish culture.
Not to mention that there was more to Greek and Roman sexuality than Pedophilia.
Read my shit iceminster.
I did say that greek morality could have been an influence on biblical morality, however, I disagree with the claim that greek sexuality could have influenced the type of morality bieng enforced in the bible through pain of eternal damnation.....
I covered this and I see now that you agree, but now I would like to hear from Ziggy, mister librarian about it.

Damn I am such a condecending jerk when people attack my intellect...I am glad I atleast have a brain to cover me sometimes.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: mushiepussy]
#14623019 - 06/16/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: It's either-
-Genitals are highly sensitive areas of the body and extremely vulnerable to discomfort through environmental factors, such as sun exposure, cold, or general wear and tear. The nature of our genitals(sex) combined with our need to cover/protect them has caused our feelings regarding exposure.
-Eve ate an evil apple from an evil tree and brought an eternal curse upon all of humanity.
IMO aversion is not the only result, obsession can occur just as easily (depending on your attitude towards sex).
Ya, i think it has a lot to do with protection. That would seem to be the most logical start for such traditions.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14623021 - 06/16/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn I am such a condecending jerk when people attack my intellect..
Why do you think that is?
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14623254 - 06/16/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Damn I am such a condecending jerk when people attack my intellect..
Why do you think that is?
I don't know, I guesse it has to do with discouraging others from judging me so quickly?
I don't know. I don't really have anger issues with people who have known me a long time, even when they insult me. I do have issues with this place where people can and do base their reactions to you based on how you treat others.
It really does encourage others.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14623613 - 06/16/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it really important if others judge you or not, even if incorrectly? Why?
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14624297 - 06/16/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Is it really important if others judge you or not, even if incorrectly? Why?
It's not really a matter of if, but who.
And this is because human beings are different, we need different things and as providers of these things, we don't have a love to provide all of them equally, hence the need for compromise.
So in some relations, judgement is very important to the stability and your happiness, to keep in mind and in others it is useless.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14624476 - 06/16/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK,
How's this, I misread your post in my haste to disagree due to your harsh words towards a poster I respect. I was wrong.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14624905 - 06/16/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: OK,
How's this, I misread your post in my haste to disagree due to your harsh words towards a poster I respect. I was wrong.
I like and very much appreciate it. Give's me reason to feel more fluid while posting here.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14624975 - 06/16/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14626087 - 06/17/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: good
Define 'good'.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14626662 - 06/17/11 04:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Define 'good'.
A subjective observation pertaining to general desirability, satisfaction, approval, moral virtue, and adherence to qualities required for a specific function.
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