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Why are we giving money to Pakistan again?
    #14621481 - 06/16/11 10:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They have proven themselves to be despicable liars and are obviously working to disrupt our military endeavors against terrorism. Yet we support them with money that might well be used to kill Americans. 

What can we say against a place like Palestine when we support on the other hand those who are like minded. It seems  obvious they hate us and must be laughing at us for being such suckers?

Am I wrong? Are they our true friends? Can we trust them? Do they really support our values and goals?  Are they really not harboring and supporting terrorists?  Educate me.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Icelander]
    #14621525 - 06/16/11 10:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

My whole take on the matter - in a general broad scope - is that they're supportive of us but do not want repercussions from terrorists or other radical groups. To me it's the only explanation for their back-and-forth stance and erratic judgment calls.

Their unpredictability seems like they wanna tattle on the schoolyard bully but not get their ass kicked when the bell rings.

I'm sure money is getting dirty on its way down and people are laughing at us for being suckers, sure.

Happens with our tax dollars here so why wouldn't it happen there :wink:


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Adden]
    #14621547 - 06/16/11 10:45 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If we are willing to play that game then what gives us the high ground?  Aren't we only risking American lives?  IMO they're either with us or against us and any other situation will back fire on us in the end.  It seems to me they are really against us. 

If they haven't the will or strength to deal with terrorists in their own country then what good are they to us?

I'm guessing when it's all over we will have to deal with them as an enemy eventually.  In the mean time we are supporting their fraud.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Icelander]
    #14621628 - 06/16/11 11:17 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

That's pretty much the through-and-through of it.

I'm very interested in what others have to say. (no sarcasm).


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Adden]
    #14621797 - 06/16/11 12:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The Pakistani government barely has control of itself let alone the country.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14621912 - 06/16/11 12:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So what is your response to the OP?


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Icelander]
    #14621960 - 06/16/11 12:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

We're buying off the ones we can


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14621983 - 06/16/11 12:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

To what ultimate advantage?  So they can continue to hide terrorists and lie to us and put Americans at risk?  Doesn't seem like a very good deal to me.:shrug:


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Icelander]
    #14622025 - 06/16/11 12:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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To what ultimate advantage?  So they can continue to hide terrorists and lie to us and put Americans at risk?  Doesn't seem like a very good deal to me.:shrug:



The point of my original post was that there are rogue elements in the army and intelligence that aren't actually under the control of the leadership.  Then there are the civilians who support terrorists, which is a not an insignificant percentage.  Are we getting our money's worth?  I'm not in a position to say.  We are, however, killing quite a few bad guys in Pakistan and keeping the rest back on their heels.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14622064 - 06/16/11 01:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Think we would have gotten Osama when we did had we told them we knew where he was an would work with them on it?  If so why did we do it the way we did?


If we blew up Pakistan wouldn't we get more bad guys for our buck?:lol:

Maybe we're stuck with doing things this way but personally it sticks in my craw. 

Maybe what's happening now will be the beginning of the end of our devils bargain with them.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Icelander]
    #14622266 - 06/16/11 01:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Think we would have gotten Osama when we did had we told them we knew where he was an would work with them on it?  If so why did we do it the way we did?




No.  Somebody inside would have spilled the beans.
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If we blew up Pakistan wouldn't we get more bad guys for our buck?:lol:

Maybe we're stuck with doing things this way but personally it sticks in my craw. 

Maybe what's happening now will be the beginning of the end of our devils bargain with them.




I don't see NOT paying them as likely to cause any improvement.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14624551 - 06/16/11 09:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You think we should continue to give them funding? I don't. Only country I could see funding in that region would be Israel, even then, I don't think we should give them money either.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Icelander]
    #14625354 - 06/16/11 11:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Think we would have gotten Osama when we did had we told them we knew where he was an would work with them on it?  If so why did we do it the way we did?




No.  Somebody inside would have spilled the beans.







Hell, isn't it pretty clear that Pakistan's bullshit is the reason OBL was on the loose anyways?  I recall that we had pretty good intelligence that he was in the Tora Bora region, but Pakistan refused to allow US forces entry into the border region to cut off the enemy escape route.  They claimed they would fufill this role.  Then, during the battle, OBL and company just walked right on over to Pakistan with apparently no trouble and the Pakistani military essentially just shrugged, figuratively.  I believe a number of the high level detainees confirmed he was in the region even during the battle, so he would definitely have been in transit after Pakistan claimed to have sealed off their border.

I don't know if this is just incompetence or something more troubling, but given that they have sporadic control of that region in the best of times, perhaps they really are that incompetent.






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If we blew up Pakistan wouldn't we get more bad guys for our buck?:lol:




Pakistan has nukes, and even they, as a Muslim state, can't deal with the crazies over there.  Not a viable option by a long shot. Maybe one day they can figure out how to chill out those elements of the population who insist on living in a society reminiscent of the 15th century, only with AK's


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: johnm214]
    #14625672 - 06/17/11 12:44 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm convinced its all about Iran.  The whole middle east situation really.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14626810 - 06/17/11 08:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Only country I could see funding in that region would be Israel, even then, I don't think we should give them money either.



lol y Israel?  "If anyone, itd have to be israel". I'm intrigued as to why.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14627002 - 06/17/11 10:04 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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You think we should continue to give them funding? I don't. Only country I could see funding in that region would be Israel, even then, I don't think we should give them money either.





Yes, let's fund our friends and not our enemies. I would love to live in a country with at least that much integrity.  Otherwise we are nothing but another country playing pure power games without much conscience or mature values.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: memes]
    #14627007 - 06/17/11 10:06 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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love2shpongleIRL said:
Only country I could see funding in that region would be Israel, even then, I don't think we should give them money either.



lol y Israel?  "If anyone, itd have to be israel". I'm intrigued as to why.





They would likely side with us if there was a general war against those we consider enemies and they have a real effective army.  They also make really great MDMA and used to send large quantities of it over here.


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Icelander]
    #14627294 - 06/17/11 11:39 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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love2shpongleIRL said:
Only country I could see funding in that region would be Israel, even then, I don't think we should give them money either.



lol y Israel?  "If anyone, itd have to be israel". I'm intrigued as to why.





They would likely side with us if there was a general war against those we consider enemies and they have a real effective army.




1) They would side with us because they receive tons of financial aid from us, and their nation was largely set up as a result of the outcome of a war that we essentially had the "deciding blow" in.

1a) Those we consider enemies largely hate us as a result of our role in Israel's fabrication, protection, and continued prosperity.

2) They have a real effective army because they receive vast funding from us, not to mention military technologies (the ones they develop are likely done with the help of us?  I have no proof but i would surmise it).


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: memes]
    #14627399 - 06/17/11 12:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If true then they would be a satellite of our own design and even be better for Americas interests.:shrug:


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Re: Why are we giving money to Pakistan again? [Re: Icelander]
    #14627506 - 06/17/11 12:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:shrug: yeah i guess



either way - fuck pakistan


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