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    #14617634 - 06/15/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Even the Democrats are beginning to wonder about this guy. Isn't is the guy who campaigned that he was going to end a war and bring troops home?  What so he could start another and another with his stamp of approval?  Is this really what the country was expecting when they elected this guy?  All my friends were so excited  when he was elected. I kept my mouth shut and waited. 

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57032.html
I'm so glad I don't vote. :haha:


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: Icelander]
    #14617641 - 06/15/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lololol

justimagine being the guy that serves those papers

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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: Icelander]
    #14617748 - 06/15/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Change in face, not policy. Nothing will come of this though. Congress hasn't exhausted all possible options yet. Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't congress have to try to cut off funding and try other avenues first?


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14617824 - 06/15/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Change in face, not policy. Nothing will come of this though. Congress hasn't exhausted all possible options yet. Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't congress have to try to cut off funding and try other avenues first?



He is in contempt of the Constitution.  Congress doesn't have to do anything.  What is telling about this whole bit of bullshit is that the little dictatorial cunt probably could get approval.  But he doesn't think he, Chavez lite, should need to.  I, for one, hope the door smacks him real hard on the ass when we evict him.  The Worst Ever.  And I lived through Carter.


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14617835 - 06/15/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why should they try other avenues first? Didn't Obama sue his own subjects that reside in Arizona? He didn't even take them up on the invitation to visit and see for himself the issues they have to deal with. I would love to see his family live in a border town and watch how his perspective changes.

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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: Icelander]
    #14617887 - 06/15/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Even the Democrats are beginning to wonder about this guy. Isn't is the guy who campaigned that he was going to end a war and bring troops home?  What so he could start another and another with his stamp of approval?  Is this really what the country was expecting when they elected this guy?  All my friends were so excited  when he was elected. I kept my mouth shut and waited. 

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57032.html
I'm so glad I don't vote. :haha:





whoa, that sounds pretty signifigant, I hadn't heard of this.


As far as your friends being excited and you "glad you didn't vote", his policies are no big surprise. If you ask your friends why they thought he wouldn't do this they could only speak of his rhetoric and must be entirely ignorant of his long history of lieing about his intentions and policy positions even before he won the election.  Before he even took office he announced he was going to continue with the Bush timeline in Iraq, thumbing his nose at all the idiots who believed his bullshit rhetoric and couldn't be bothered to check his record and see if his promises were kept in the past.

Personally I think your refusal to vote is likely ill considered.  I find it hard to imagine your interests are so unique that none of the candidates in the primary or general could have been acceptable to you.  The very act of voting for a third party induces change and pushes us closer to a better election system in the US that doesn't allow "spoilers" and prop up a duopoly of power that enables the politicians to play the ignorant against each other with their rhetoric while they fight pitched battles over divisive but irrelevant positions like abortion, gays doing gay stuff, religion, and so forth.


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Change in face, not policy. Nothing will come of this though. Congress hasn't exhausted all possible options yet. Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't congress have to try to cut off funding and try other avenues first?



He is in contempt of the Constitution.  Congress doesn't have to do anything.  What is telling about this whole bit of bullshit is that the little dictatorial cunt probably could get approval.  But he doesn't think he, Chavez lite, should need to.  I, for one, hope the door smacks him real hard on the ass when we evict him.  The Worst Ever.  And I lived through Carter.




I wonder what the courts will do about this- this seems exactly the type of case they hate and make up all sorts of new law to ignore.  I imagine they'll try their hardest to dismiss it as a political question.



Does anyone have any opinion on the matter?  I'm curious whether the case is decent that he violated the constitution or law (war powers act?).  I'll have to read up on this, seems pretty interesting.

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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: johnm214]
    #14617969 - 06/15/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I find it hard to imagine your interests are so unique that none of the candidates in the primary or general could have been acceptable to you.

And you'd be wrong. :lol: "Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss"

Anyway like most people my friends get their political info in sound bites from the news and other friends.  Fortunately they aren't this way about everything.  Many people want things to be black and white and so if someone plays their tune on some issue that is important to them they think they are a savior.  What gets me is that people who are into politics can't see that all these guys are lying a lot of the time.  Makes me think that many people want that. As long as it's the lie that makes them feel justified at that moment. And an amazing ability to ignore the past.


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: johnm214]
    #14617986 - 06/15/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

While obummer is in contempt of the constitution, from what I understand in previous cases where congress members have tried to bring suit they got shot down immediately due to not trying other avenues first. If I remember correctly, the reason they gave was it would mess with the balance of power among the three branches.


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: Icelander]
    #14618002 - 06/15/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"Anyway like most people my friends get their political info in sound bites from the news and other friends". This is why the media is able to choose and back candidates. Icelander- politically, if you had to stick a label on yourself, what would it be?


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: johnm214]
    #14618045 - 06/15/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yea my guess is dismissed under Political Question doctrine also.  I doubt a district court is going to be ballsy enough to do anything.  Though keep in mind the War Powers Act is hated by all Presidents and as far as I know its constitutionality has never been argued in a court.  He is commander in chief after all, it's unclear how far the Congressional power to 'declare war' is. 

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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14618102 - 06/15/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This seems to me to be a "time is of the essence" issue.  That is, he had a certain amount of time, by statute, over which he could pretty much do what he wanted but that has elapsed.  Congress is doing the right thing.  There is a separation of powers and the little Chavez doesn't seem to think any limits apply to the executive.  They told me if I voted for a Republican we would get an Imperial Presidency and they were right.  There is no compelling security necessity to bomb Ghaddafi.  This is almost totally a French fiasco.  Why we're doing anything there at all is a mystery to me.  The French cunts didn't help us, why should we help them?


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14618253 - 06/15/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Icelander- politically, if you had to stick a label on yourself, what would it be?


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: Icelander]
    #14618922 - 06/15/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:laugh2: . Good stuff man.


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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: johnm214]
    #14619185 - 06/15/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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As far as your friends being excited and you "glad you didn't vote", his policies are no big surprise. If you ask your friends why they thought he wouldn't do this they could only speak of his rhetoric and must be entirely ignorant of his long history of lieing about his intentions and policy positions even before he won the election.  Before he even took office he announced he was going to continue with the Bush timeline in Iraq, thumbing his nose at all the idiots who believed his bullshit rhetoric and couldn't be bothered to check his record and see if his promises were kept in the past.



I remember telling people here in canada that would not believe me he was in favor of the war in afghanistan.

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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: communeart]
    #14619591 - 06/15/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I remember telling people here in canada that would not believe me he was in favor of the war in afghanistan.




What does that sentence mean?

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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14619764 - 06/15/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i had a discussion with a canadian who believed obama was against the afghanistan war.

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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14620121 - 06/15/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This seems to me to be a "time is of the essence" issue.  That is, he had a certain amount of time, by statute, over which he could pretty much do what he wanted but that has elapsed.  Congress is doing the right thing.  There is a separation of powers and the little Chavez doesn't seem to think any limits apply to the executive.  They told me if I voted for a Republican we would get an Imperial Presidency and they were right.  There is no compelling security necessity to bomb Ghaddafi.  This is almost totally a French fiasco.  Why we're doing anything there at all is a mystery to me.  The French cunts didn't help us, why should we help them?




you know zapp, ron paul is one of the guys sueing. what do u think about that?

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Re: Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14621762 - 06/16/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This seems to me to be a "time is of the essence" issue.  That is, he had a certain amount of time, by statute, over which he could pretty much do what he wanted but that has elapsed.  Congress is doing the right thing.  There is a separation of powers and the little Chavez doesn't seem to think any limits apply to the executive.  They told me if I voted for a Republican we would get an Imperial Presidency and they were right.  There is no compelling security necessity to bomb Ghaddafi.  This is almost totally a French fiasco.  Why we're doing anything there at all is a mystery to me.  The French cunts didn't help us, why should we help them?




you know zapp, ron paul is one of the guys sueing. what do u think about that?



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