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The Dems are the good/honest guys?
#14616528 - 06/15/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you really believe this? Once again ultimately I just see politicians doing what they do regardless of what party they belong to. And the fringe parties? Well they're on their best behavior due to the fact that they have not gained power yet.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PMGGtnKD
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
#14616551 - 06/15/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not to mention all the special treatment for his union buddies, from the car company bailout embezzlement of TARP to the granting of Obamacare waivers disproportionately to unions and the ridiculous lawsuit to stop Boeing from opening a plant in a right to work state.
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#14616555 - 06/15/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I still can't believe that so many people believed that things would "Change" or somehow Obama would be different than EVERY OTHER politician in our country LOL.
People REALLY bought into all that bullshit, I can't believe how willing people are to believe in anything they are told.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Dave Bowman]
#14616612 - 06/15/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was one of these morons. I've said it before and I will say it again, I cannot believe I fell for his bullshit . Should have listened to my father. The only benefit this asshole had on my life is he was instrumental in my radical shift in beliefs.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
#14616618 - 06/15/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Top Barack Obama donors net government jobs" Change you can believe in brah.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
#14616729 - 06/15/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Do you really believe this? Once again ultimately I just see politicians doing what they do regardless of what party they belong to. And the fringe parties? Well they're on their best behavior due to the fact that they have not gained power yet.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PMGGtnKD
The Dems, god luv em, have harmed this country in ways that we may never recover from.
They treat their constituents as if they were stupid (affirmative action).
They have assigned worth to some, but not others (hate crimes).
They failed at their constitutional duties (no budget last year).
They have allowed us to be over-run by illegal shitbags (amnesty).
They have taxed us to the point that it's like having a tree stumped shoved up our asses (dry).
They have allowed crappy unions to have far to much say (teachers).
They have given money to those that don't deserve it (PBS, NEA and more)
They have used the constitution as toilet paper.
Now, before the lefties start their predictable sputtering, I don't think much better of the Republicans.
They all suck, and will always suck.
We need term limits. 1 eight year term for president, 1 six year term for the House and the Senate, 1 twenty year term for the Supreme Court.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14616760 - 06/15/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why the courts? The way it's set up now kinda keeps judical activism in check. Under your term limits, would the president still pick the judges?
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There is no way I want the president set at one 8 year term. Too long and with zero accountability.
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love2shpongleIRL said: Why the courts? The way it's set up now kinda keeps judical activism in check. Under your term limits, would the president still pick the judges?
It does no such thing. There is zero check on activism. We wind up with far too many bad judges. If they had but one term, we could minimize the shit-baggery.
Yes. The president would still pick judges.
Perhaps a 10 year term would be better.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14616801 - 06/15/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: There is no way I want the president set at one 8 year term. Too long and with zero accountability.
I could be persuaded differently. But I'd want to hold out so that there was but 1 term, max for all.
No more of the never-ending story campaigning.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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love2shpongleIRL said: Why the courts? The way it's set up now kinda keeps judical activism in check. Under your term limits, would the president still pick the judges?
It does no such thing. There is zero check on activism. We wind up with far too many bad judges. If they had but one term, we could minimize the shit-baggery.
Yes. The president would still pick judges.
Perhaps a 10 year term would be better.
I dunno. Just seems like it would produce a new crop of shitbags every now and then. Don't forget, the well of shitbags will never run dry. It is wide, it is deep and it self replenishes.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14616813 - 06/15/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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love2shpongleIRL said: Why the courts? The way it's set up now kinda keeps judical activism in check. Under your term limits, would the president still pick the judges?
It does no such thing. There is zero check on activism. We wind up with far too many bad judges. If they had but one term, we could minimize the shit-baggery.
Yes. The president would still pick judges.
Perhaps a 10 year term would be better.
I dunno. Just seems like it would produce a new crop of shitbags every now and then. Don't forget, the well of shitbags will never run dry. It is wide, it is deep and it self replenishes.
True, the well is deep.
But we'd have a turnover much greater than the rate now. Young blood would do us good. Look at the ages of some of our leaders.
They are dinosaurs with no grasp of regular life.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
#14616815 - 06/15/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What's a Dem? Is that newspeak for something?
Presidents giving cushy gov't jobs to friends, and allowing special concessions to campaign contributors is as American as apple pie (fruit pies are for old ladies).
If we started ignoring all the news presented by Disney, what would be left?
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14616868 - 06/15/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can dig your proposition if there was some way for the people to have recall elections. Maybe a vote of confidence amendment?
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14616894 - 06/15/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What do you guys think about a direct democracy? We could still have the shitbags in office, but drasticly reduce the power they have. I think it has the chance to work if people educate themselves and dont vote money out of public coffers for personal gain.
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love2shpongleIRL said: What do you guys think about a direct democracy? We could still have the shitbags in office, but drasticly reduce the power they have. I think it has the chance to work if people educate themselves and dont vote money out of public coffers for personal gain.
Bad idea. People are stupid.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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love2shpongleIRL said: What do you guys think about a direct democracy? We could still have the shitbags in office, but drasticly reduce the power they have. I think it has the chance to work if people educate themselves and dont vote money out of public coffers for personal gain.
Bad idea. People are stupid.
Who are you to define stupid.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
#14617935 - 06/15/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: And the fringe parties? Well they're on their best behavior due to the fact that they have not gained power yet.
So what? You don't vote for a party, you vote for a candidate (or an elector). This would be even more true if more people would vote outside the duopoly and threaten their ability to gain power via a majority and force sensible reforms in the voting methodology that doesn't allow spoliers and other nonsense, like a sort of instant run off voting with a first, second, third choice possible, et cet.
Your dismissal seems suspiciously like a defense mechanism designed to shield you from the reality that by not voting you've sacrificed that power you had to make change. Third partys are growing, recently there have been several state and presidential elections that would have been decided differently had only the libertarian vote gone to the looser of the duopoly. This means the libertarian voters alone now have the power to swing elections in some cases, and are no longer able to be ignored. They are certainly better to campaign and compromise with than the majority of the people who will vote for their particular party no matter what. These people are worthless for their party and for the opposition, its those who are informed and willing to vote for whomever will meet their interests tha will be attractive.
You don't need to win even a single election to influence policy and change government.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: johnm214]
#14618277 - 06/15/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't vote for a party, you vote for a candidate
same same imo
Your dismissal seems suspiciously like a defense mechanism designed to shield you from the reality that by not voting you've sacrificed that power you had to make change. Third partys are growing,
I take a historical perspective on this. Nothing much changes imo.
Now what did I tell you about third party's?
Considering what I've discovered about what motivates human primates I think we live in the best of all possible worlds. Nothing needs to change really, nor can it.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14618652 - 06/15/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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love2shpongleIRL said: What do you guys think about a direct democracy? We could still have the shitbags in office, but drasticly reduce the power they have. I think it has the chance to work if people educate themselves and dont vote money out of public coffers for personal gain.
Bad idea. People are stupid.
Who are you to define stupid.

When I'm offering my opinion, I am all I need to please. Of course, it doesn't hurt that I'm right.
People are stupid.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14618785 - 06/15/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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People are stupid.

Just never forget that you are people too.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
#14618962 - 06/15/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: People are stupid.

Just never forget that you are people too.
Oh, I had my years where I thought I was pretty smart.
Three separate (over the course of 6 months or so) life altering, totally self inflicted, astonishingly stupid, mega size fuckups of epic proportion made it clear to me that I am indeed the dumbest fucker to ever breathe.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14619000 - 06/15/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Astonishingly I have never had any experiences like that. Even in my most abandoned moments, and there may or may not have been such things ( ), I never got into anything remotely resembling serious trouble.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14619048 - 06/15/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Then carry on bro. I'll be bringing up the rear.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14621196 - 06/16/11 06:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Astonishingly I have never had any experiences like that. Even in my most abandoned moments, and there may or may not have been such things ( ), I never got into anything remotely resembling serious trouble.
I didn't say I got into trouble. For the record, there was no trouble, serious or otherwise. These were things that were of a much more personal nature.
They were things that disappointed me... in me.
For when you disappoint yourself, you have truly screwed the pooch.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Dave Bowman]
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Synthettek said: I still can't believe that so many people believed that things would "Change" or somehow Obama would be different than EVERY OTHER politician in our country LOL.
People REALLY bought into all that bullshit, I can't believe how willing people are to believe in anything they are told.
haha your right on with this one. i honestly believe people voted for him because he was black (minority). people say thats not why but its not like he was the first person to propose the ideas that he did. they have been around for a few decades here in the states but somehow nobody heard about them? bullshit
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
#14638563 - 06/19/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not only have the shockingly retarded leftards gotten a criminal elected, but they have ass raped themselves so badly, that many have basically ruined their lives, because of the damage to the economy.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
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As far as military force is concerned (with the Dems), I guess its not cool to protest wars anymore.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14650133 - 06/21/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: As far as military force is concerned (with the Dems), I guess its not cool to protest wars anymore.
i find this true. we are keeping this cycle going. its like its in our genes now or something. we are currently in 4 wars that were unprovoked!!!! and the republicans are finally starting to say maybe we should withdraw the troops. man only if ron paul won in 08
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
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SirTripAlot said: As far as military force is concerned (with the Dems), I guess its not cool to protest wars anymore.
i find this true. we are keeping this cycle going. its like its in our genes now or something. we are currently in 4 wars that were unprovoked!!!! and the republicans are finally starting to say maybe we should withdraw the troops. man only if ron paul won in 08
uh, you're aware Paul supported Afghanistan, yes? What are the four unjustified wars we're currently involved in that would have not occured in a Paul presidency?
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: johnm214]
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yeah of course but thats one i did not include in the four which are libya, iraq, yemen, and syria. non of them have attacked us which is where afghanistan doesn't fall in. although the gov't didnt attack us that is where al queda was at the time.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
#14650355 - 06/21/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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economically conservative, socially democratic. is it possible?
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: JT]
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thats me bro!!
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
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AJRenegade said: yeah of course but thats one i did not include in the four which are libya, iraq, yemen, and syria. non of them have attacked us which is where afghanistan doesn't fall in. although the gov't didnt attack us that is where al queda was at the time.
I would hardly call what were doing in Yemen, Syria, and possibly Libya "war".
You also have to understand why we attacked Afghanistan and Iraq - and that would be because of Iran.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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well we have dropped bombs over there and it has affected many cities/towns. this was also unprovoked. and for iraq/afghanistan i truly believe we should have only gone into aghan and not try to "spread freedom" all over the middle east. its not like suddam hussein was a major threat(if at all) to america.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
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AJRenegade said: yeah of course but thats one i did not include in the four which are libya, iraq, yemen, and syria. non of them have attacked us which is where afghanistan doesn't fall in. although the gov't didnt attack us that is where al queda was at the time.
Ok, I stand corrected.
I don't know if Yemen and syria's activities constitute a war, but point conceded.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
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The reason I believe Saddam was a scapegoat was the fact that he was harboring dangerous Iranians. His regime was not just brutal but he had stated many times how much he hated the USA. To cut Iraq and Afghanistan out of the Saudi to Pakistan (iraq->iran->afghanistan) ground transport was huge in the war on terror because not one of those governments was willing to help us, and were dedicated to funding or sheltering terrorists. Now we've got Iran surrounded (who has really always been our biggest threat) and they can't do shit because we have a quarter.million troops in the region ready to kill some Iranian scum if necessary.
This is all just how I see it unfolding though
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14650684 - 06/21/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i understand how you see it but honestly i feel like we went over there becuase George. W wanted to finish unfinished business that his father started over there. it sorta skipped during the clinton years. i feel like no matter how much they hate us they are not gonna be able to do shit. america fights with blackhawks and jets that fly at mach 3 or 4. generally terrorists fight with machine guns from the 90's and rpg's. im not so much worried about a rebel group doing much to america. and the gov'ts of the middle east are not gonna fuck with us at all. we have yet to see an attack on america from a middle eastern gov't. im getting off topic now lol
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
#14650841 - 06/21/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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AJRenegade said: i understand how you see it but honestly i feel like we went over there becuase George. W wanted to finish unfinished business that his father started over there. it sorta skipped during the clinton years. i feel like no matter how much they hate us they are not gonna be able to do shit. america fights with blackhawks and jets that fly at mach 3 or 4. generally terrorists fight with machine guns from the 90's and rpg's. im not so much worried about a rebel group doing much to america. and the gov'ts of the middle east are not gonna fuck with us at all. we have yet to see an attack on america from a middle eastern gov't. im getting off topic now lol
Not a direct attack from governments per se but they definitely financed and hid some of the terrorists that have attacked us. They can't do it outright just like anybody else because they know we will drop a nuke on them and their shitty land, take it all over and harvest the oil from the land of the Prophet.
All they have to do is don't let terrorists plan,finance, and mastermind attacks in their country and we wouldn't be there.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: AJRenegade]
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AJRenegade said: yeah of course but thats one i did not include in the four which are libya, iraq, yemen, and syria.
Syria? Did that just happen today? Because I sure as shit haven't heard about the US doing anything at all to Syria. Not even harsh words.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Do you really believe this? Once again ultimately I just see politicians doing what they do regardless of what party they belong to. And the fringe parties? Well they're on their best behavior due to the fact that they have not gained power yet.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PMGGtnKD
it's like the repubs use the dark side of the force, and the dems use the light side of the force. this has been the way of things, don't let your anger betray you, there is still good in the repubs. give up your anger and learn to use the light side of the force
repubs:"come with me to the dark side of the force, and we will rule the galaxy as president and senator!"
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: imachavel]
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Letting people keep the fruits of their labor is "dark" to you?
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: zappaisgod]
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you wouldn't understand sarcasm if it came up, hit you in the head with a base ball bat, knocked you flat on the ground, gave you a serious concussion, and then you ended up in a coma in the hospital for two weeks.
I don't buy that any politician any time soon, is going to "let me keep the fruits of my labor"
bush didn't do it, Obama didn't do it, our governor didn't do it, and neither did the one before him. I'm not playing 'political war', you want a good politician, vote nixon back in, he might get caught for treason and have rooms of tapes of his own conversations to prove it, but least he was a good economist.
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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: imachavel]
#14659962 - 06/23/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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imachavel said: you wouldn't understand sarcasm if it came up, hit you in the head with a base ball bat, knocked you flat on the ground, gave you a serious concussion, and then you ended up in a coma in the hospital for two weeks.
I don't buy that any politician any time soon, is going to "let me keep the fruits of my labor"
bush didn't do it, Obama didn't do it, our governor didn't do it, and neither did the one before him. I'm not playing 'political war', you want a good politician, vote nixon back in, he might get caught for treason and have rooms of tapes of his own conversations to prove it, but least he was a good economist.
Sarcasm is signaled by inflection. I've read enough of your shit to believe that you could take that position.
It is abysmally stupid to think they are all the same. And if you think Nixon was good on economics you are wildly misinformed about his tenure. Wildly misinformed. Vastly and deeply misinformed. He was a fucking ignorant disaster who imposed price controls, for fuck's sake. In comparison to that Watergate was a club social. And as far as treason goes,
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