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The Dems are the good/honest guys?
    #14616528 - 06/15/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you really believe this?  Once again ultimately I just see politicians doing what they do regardless of what party they belong to.  And the fringe parties?  Well they're on their best behavior due to the fact that they have not gained power yet.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PMGGtnKD


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
    #14616551 - 06/15/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Not to mention all the special treatment for his union buddies, from the car company bailout embezzlement of TARP to the granting of Obamacare waivers disproportionately to unions and the ridiculous lawsuit to stop Boeing from opening a plant in a right to work state.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #14616555 - 06/15/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I still can't believe that so many people believed that things would "Change" or somehow Obama would be different than EVERY OTHER politician in our country LOL.

People REALLY bought into all that bullshit, I can't believe how willing people are to believe in anything they are told.

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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14616612 - 06/15/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was one of these morons. I've said it before and I will say it again, I cannot believe I fell for his bullshit:facepalm3:. Should have listened to my father. The only benefit this asshole had on my life is he was instrumental in my radical shift in beliefs.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
    #14616618 - 06/15/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"Top Barack Obama donors net government jobs" Change you can believe in brah.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
    #14616729 - 06/15/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Do you really believe this?  Once again ultimately I just see politicians doing what they do regardless of what party they belong to.  And the fringe parties?  Well they're on their best behavior due to the fact that they have not gained power yet.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PMGGtnKD





The Dems, god luv em, have harmed this country in ways that we may never recover from.

They treat their constituents as if they were stupid (affirmative action).

They have assigned worth to some, but not others (hate crimes).

They failed at their constitutional duties (no budget last year).

They have allowed us to be over-run by illegal shitbags (amnesty).

They have taxed us to the point that it's like having a tree stumped shoved up our asses (dry).

They have allowed crappy unions to have far to much say (teachers).

They have given money to those that don't deserve it (PBS, NEA and more)

They have used the constitution as toilet paper.


Now, before the lefties start their predictable sputtering, I don't think much better of the Republicans.

They all suck, and will always suck.

We need term limits. 1 eight year term for president, 1 six year term for the House and the Senate, 1 twenty year term for the Supreme Court.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14616760 - 06/15/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why the courts? The way it's set up now kinda keeps judical activism in check. Under your term limits, would the president still pick the judges?


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14616768 - 06/15/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There is no way I want the president set at one 8 year term.  Too long and with zero accountability.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14616794 - 06/15/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why the courts? The way it's set up now kinda keeps judical activism in check. Under your term limits, would the president still pick the judges?




It does no such thing. There is zero check on activism. We wind up with far too many bad judges. If they had but one term, we could minimize the shit-baggery.

Yes. The president would still pick judges.

Perhaps a 10 year term would be better.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14616801 - 06/15/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There is no way I want the president set at one 8 year term.  Too long and with zero accountability.




I could be persuaded differently. But I'd want to hold out so that there was but 1 term, max for all.

No more of the never-ending story campaigning.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14616802 - 06/15/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

love2shpongleIRL said:
Why the courts? The way it's set up now kinda keeps judical activism in check. Under your term limits, would the president still pick the judges?




It does no such thing. There is zero check on activism. We wind up with far too many bad judges. If they had but one term, we could minimize the shit-baggery.

Yes. The president would still pick judges.

Perhaps a 10 year term would be better.



I dunno.  Just seems like it would produce a new crop of shitbags every now and then.  Don't forget, the well of shitbags will never run dry.  It is wide, it is deep and it self replenishes.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14616813 - 06/15/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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love2shpongleIRL said:
Why the courts? The way it's set up now kinda keeps judical activism in check. Under your term limits, would the president still pick the judges?




It does no such thing. There is zero check on activism. We wind up with far too many bad judges. If they had but one term, we could minimize the shit-baggery.

Yes. The president would still pick judges.

Perhaps a 10 year term would be better.



I dunno.  Just seems like it would produce a new crop of shitbags every now and then.  Don't forget, the well of shitbags will never run dry.  It is wide, it is deep and it self replenishes.




True, the well is deep.

But we'd have a turnover much greater than the rate now. Young blood would do us good. Look at the ages of some of our leaders.

They are dinosaurs with no grasp of regular life.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
    #14616815 - 06/15/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What's a Dem?  Is that newspeak for something? 

Presidents giving cushy gov't jobs to friends, and allowing special concessions to campaign contributors is as American as apple pie (fruit pies are for old ladies).


If we started ignoring all the news presented by Disney, what would be left?

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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14616868 - 06/15/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can dig your proposition if there was some way for the people to have recall elections. Maybe a vote of confidence amendment?


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14616894 - 06/15/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What do you guys think about a direct democracy? We could still have the shitbags in office, but drasticly reduce the power they have. I think it has the chance to work if people educate themselves and dont vote money out of public coffers for personal gain.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14616918 - 06/15/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What do you guys think about a direct democracy? We could still have the shitbags in office, but drasticly reduce the power they have. I think it has the chance to work if people educate themselves and dont vote money out of public coffers for personal gain.




Bad idea. People are stupid.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14617878 - 06/15/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What do you guys think about a direct democracy? We could still have the shitbags in office, but drasticly reduce the power they have. I think it has the chance to work if people educate themselves and dont vote money out of public coffers for personal gain.




Bad idea. People are stupid.




Who are you to define stupid.

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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: Icelander]
    #14617935 - 06/15/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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And the fringe parties?  Well they're on their best behavior due to the fact that they have not gained power yet.





So what?  You don't vote for a party, you vote for a candidate (or an elector).  This would be even more true if more people would vote outside the duopoly and threaten their ability to gain power via a majority and force sensible reforms in the voting methodology that doesn't allow spoliers and other nonsense, like a sort of instant run off voting with a first, second, third choice possible, et cet.


Your dismissal seems suspiciously like a defense mechanism designed to shield you from the reality that by not voting you've sacrificed that power you had to make change.  Third partys are growing, recently there have been several state and presidential elections that would have been decided differently had only the libertarian vote gone to the looser of the duopoly.  This means the libertarian voters alone now have the power to swing elections in some cases, and are no longer able to be ignored.  They are certainly better to campaign and compromise with than the majority of the people who will vote for their particular party no matter what.  These people are worthless for their party and for the opposition, its those who are informed and willing to vote for whomever will meet their interests tha will be attractive. 

You don't need to win even a single election to influence policy and change government.

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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: johnm214]
    #14618277 - 06/15/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You don't vote for a party, you vote for a candidate

same same imo

Your dismissal seems suspiciously like a defense mechanism designed to shield you from the reality that by not voting you've sacrificed that power you had to make change.  Third partys are growing,

I take a historical perspective on this. Nothing much changes imo.

Now what did I tell you about third party's?


Considering what I've discovered about what motivates human primates I think we live in the best of all possible worlds. Nothing needs to change really, nor can it.


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Re: The Dems are the good/honest guys? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14618652 - 06/15/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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love2shpongleIRL said:
What do you guys think about a direct democracy? We could still have the shitbags in office, but drasticly reduce the power they have. I think it has the chance to work if people educate themselves and dont vote money out of public coffers for personal gain.




Bad idea. People are stupid.




Who are you to define stupid.




:rofl2:

When I'm offering my opinion, I am all I need to please. Of course, it doesn't hurt that I'm right.

People are stupid.


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