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fuck i might be doing time for "theft"
    #14613640 - 06/14/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ohhh boy, ive been outta of jail and legal bullshit for the last 5-6 years. its been great. and now out of left field im dealing with a lunatic who feels like ive taken serious advantage of her and is talking about pressing charges.

heres what happened.... okay first off im a heroin addict and so is my close frined. or i guess he WAS my close friend. anyway, a couple of times we went down to the pawn shop together. he had been in trouble with his mother before for pawning her shit. she and him went down to a certain pawn shop and she screamed and yelled about getting her shit back... because her son is a thief and a junkie or whatever. so as a result he had become blacklisted from that certain pawn shop. we first went in there with dvd's and some tools. sometimes it was his shit and sometimes it was mine.none of which looked like it was stolen and to my knowledge it wasnt. okay thats not a big deal, the movies or whathaveu. but anyway, after a while we lost touch and then he called me again talking about how he would be going to rehab soon and one of his biggest regrets the last time he went to rehab was that he couldnt get loaded the night before as a way to "say goodbye." so he calls me and says he needs a ride to the pawn shop, and that he would get me loaded as a thank u. he says hes going to rehab the next day. okay so i went to pick him up and we went to the pawn shop, he went in, did his thing and we did indeed get loaded. tho he didnt end up going to rehab the next day. a few days of this had transpired. tho anyway on 3 occasions, he begged me to go in with some jewelery he had. all rings. he told me that he didnt want to go in there again because he had been going for so many days straight. anyway, i pawned like 3 rings, on seperate occasions. i thought they were prob stolen but i figured he would own up to it if that day ever transpired where he was confronted by his mother.

anyway the bastard finally goes to rehab. the day before he left we pawned a ring and got loaded. tho the next day i find out that he puts a debt in my name with our mutual dealer. i told the dealer i didnt even kno about it and that as far as im concerned me and my "friend" are no longer cool. i managed to confrot him about it on the firt day he was in rehab, he bitched at first but he later appologized. that alone pissed me off, because u dont fuck over one of yer own. then 2 days later as im in a detox state, his fucking mother comes to my house and shes pissed. apparently he told his mother everything before he left and mentioned my name. she scoped out the pawn shops and got records of who pawned certain shit and my name was on a few of those things. shes acting like i stole from her directly and she called me every filthy word she could think of. she kept saying she was going to press charges. she said the only thng keeping me out of jail was a certain ring, for which i was lucky enough to recover. the other 2 im waiting to pick up soon.

the thing is, im going to get the 3 things she claimed to be most important to he back and also give her $500 for pain and suffering. tho the thing is shes fucking crazy. ligitimate nuts. she thought i was wearing a wire when we went to the pawn shop together to check out her rings. so to say the least im scared of this woman. i scared that even after i pay her back shell press charges. she says she has all this proff that i pawned all kinds of her shit and claimed that her house was wiped out. now the only records these place have of me with her shit is from the rings, because i didnt make a habit of going in and using my ID at these places. and the only other thing is from the DVD's but how can prove that those were her's? i mean really, does she hasd reciets from all of these? she says she has all this shit on me but im starting to think shes bluffing. the only thing is from the rings. and i intend on reinbursing her with htose rings and giving her money for pain and suffering. tho what do u think i should do in regard to this situtation and dealing with this woman? her fucking god aweful son is in rehab right now and shes acting like theres just now fucking way to get in touch with him. i feel like shes pissed off at her son and is taking it all out on me. im really scared about what shell do after i get her shit back to her. she is a crazy bitch and everyone one of her children has admitted this to me. are there any laws i can use to protect myself or does it sound like im fucked? im almost 70% sure there wont be any legal bullshit and when she gets her crap back shell drop it, but then again shes crazy and poor. im afraid shell try and blackmail me and my mom until she gets tired and i really dont want to play that game. i dont trust her one bit. what if she says she didnt get her shit back and milks this from us? well likely drop over $1500 in making it right with this woman. but what if she feels that isnt enough? she was talking about how i should try and reclaim the shit her son took and pawned in his name,but how the fucvk can i do that?

any advice? i knew my friend had stolen the rings. but i figured hed take the fall for it if anything happened. and now ive been dragged into this nightmare and i dont know what to do. please offer some advice as to what i should do because i really dont want to go back to jail. right now im staying clean for a while as a precaution.

anyone????

man i feel screwed.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14613677 - 06/14/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You pawned her stolen property (and you even had an idea it might be stolen) with your ID.  If she decides to press charges, guess what?  You're going to jail.  Now, if she tries to blackmail you with this knowledge, she is in the wrong.  If she has her stuff back she can either call the cops or not.  There's nothing really you can do about it at this point.  The only thing you could have done is not pawn the jewelry in the first place, junkie.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: LisonAlGaib] * 1
    #14614375 - 06/14/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quit the dope and get your life straight....

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: fireshaman] * 1
    #14614722 - 06/14/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I like how op put "theft" in qoutations, like he's being framed or something.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14615979 - 06/15/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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man i feel screwed.




You brought it on yourself. Suck it up.


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14615991 - 06/15/11 06:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i find out that he puts a debt in my name with our mutual dealer.




What the fuck? What kind of dealer fronts dope in other peoples' names? Or at all?


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Doc_T]
    #14616093 - 06/15/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What everyone else said.  Get off the smack.  If she does get you arrested you going to rehab before they arrest you would be a good sign to the judge that you are trying to get your act together. 


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i managed to confrot him about it on the firt day he was in rehab, he bitched at first but he later appologized. that alone pissed me off, because u dont fuck over one of yer own.





You ever heard the phrase "There's no honor among thieves"?  You and your "friend" are thieves and he fucked you over because that's the nature of thieves.  Stop being a thief.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: vandago]
    #14616135 - 06/15/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Personally I wouldn't give her any "pain and suffering" money. How were you to know it was stolen? Don't let yourself be roped into this shit. Just up and leave.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: user1837483975]
    #14616141 - 06/15/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

He's already roped in.


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14616511 - 06/15/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i am roped in. ive been an addict for 2 years. though ive never stolen anything from anyone exce3pt for a few bucks for which ive paid back.

im starting to think i wont give her any pain and suffering money. if she does press charges ill just say i didnt know it was stolen and when i did find this out, id did everything in my power to get these items back to her. ill be dropping close to $1200 in making this right with this woman. though the thing that im getting relaxed about is this: first off if the items are reported stolen, then they are evidence in a court of law. she had reported them stolen to the pawn shop and when i tried to go in and retrieve them for her, they said that since they were reported stolen, i couldnt retrieve them until i went thru the hoops of the police process for such an offense. i told her this and she went down there and now i can pick up these items at the repsected times. so wouldnt this disregard their position as a styolen good? how can one claim something to be stolen when they get it back? and what business is going to sell a stolen item to someone, esp the "thief"??? my answer is likely none. the other shop didnt even have the ring reported stolen. so once all of these are returned to her, how can i be charged with something that wasnt reported stolen and was returned? i can plead ignorance to the fact that i knew it was stolen. and also its my first felonous offense so with the most i can be charged with is possesion of stolen property, my guess is the most i can be givben is probation or something light. there is no evidence that i broke an entry. there is no finger prints of mine on her personal property, in which i allegedly went into. if she drags me into a legal dispute ill testify against her son and with him being the main character in this situation, someone who has already been blacklisted from certain pawnshops for stealing from his mother, i bet shell drop the charges. it doesnt look like she wants her son to go to prison but he is the one who stole it and also the one with more stolen shit in his name at these pawn shops than me. for me, the only items that i "stole" (thats right its in quotes) are these 3 things for which i plan on returning. how can they charge me with anything once i right this wrong and this "stolen property" is sold back to the public and most specifically sold back to the "thief at hand"??

i cant imagine that holding up in court very well.

any perspective is appreciated. though knock it off with the "hey your a scum bag junkie" shit. im not proud of what ive become and it has reduced me to rock bottom. although i am doing everything in my power to get clean. this little scare has really set me straight and i am now disgusted with the drug that i allowed to ruin me. im getting my shit straight, so please stop with those type of replies. though if u cant control youself and u need to hate on me, go ahead, your nonsense and spite driven replies dont not affect me in any way, other than being annoying. i never said i was an angel in this ituation, i did indeed screw up. though im trying to do everything in my power to make this right again. and im looking at it from a legal perspective now for my own survival. i know a lot of u do drugs, wheter it pot or heroin doesnt really matter in the eyes of the law. and if u got busted for distrubution or possession, would u want someone to say "well your a scumbag and its time u paid the price, u fucking drug addict" ? no we all take risk with the drug using lifestyle and this post is in regard to protecting myself from inprisonment.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14616535 - 06/15/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Karma's a bitch, eh?

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Doc_T]
    #14616549 - 06/15/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i find out that he puts a debt in my name with our mutual dealer.




What the fuck? What kind of dealer fronts dope in other peoples' names? Or at all?



yerah i was just as blown away as u. its maybe because we were together when the shit was bought. he was in the guys car and i was in my own. he knows us both and i guess he thought all was cool. though yeah ive never heard of such shit and i even told the guy i didnt know shit about that negotitation.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #14616945 - 06/15/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No. Giving back the shit you stole/pawned doesn't make things "all better".  :rofl2:

Only a kiss from your mommy can do that.

WTF dude?


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14620279 - 06/15/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't admit that you knew he was banned from pawning... that kinda looks bad for you when you claim that you didn't know the rings were stolen...

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: user1837483975]
    #14622110 - 06/16/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I wouldn't admit that you knew he was banned from pawning... that kinda looks bad for you when you claim that you didn't know the rings were stolen...




Everything about the situation makes op look bad.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14622146 - 06/16/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

OP makes the op look bad. OP is bad, IMO.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #14622268 - 06/16/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck that trifling ass bitch.  You didn't do anything illegal (depending on what those contract clauses state).


The MOST you did was receive stolen property unawares and I'm not even sure if that's a charge or not.

She needs to suck it the fuck up and acknowledge that she, time and again, provided a means to have her shit stolen by her junky ass son.



All you did was get the ring from him LEGITIMATELY.  You didn't steal SHIT.

You are AS GUILTY OF THEFT AS THE PAWN SHOP IS.




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I wouldn't give her shit.  You haven't committed a crime to my knowledge.


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Humility]
    #14622288 - 06/16/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Fuck that trifling ass bitch.  You didn't do anything illegal (depending on what those contract clauses state).


The MOST you did was receive stolen property unawares and I'm not even sure if that's a charge or not.

She needs to suck it the fuck up and acknowledge that she, time and again, provided a means to have her shit stolen by her junky ass son.



All you did was get the ring from him LEGITIMATELY.  You didn't steal SHIT.

You are AS GUILTY OF THEFT AS THE PAWN SHOP IS.




"Be smart, don't be a retard.
You gonna take advice from somebody that slapped Dee Barnes?"



I wouldn't give her shit.  You haven't committed a crime to my knowledge.



It can be proven that op at least had knowledge that the items had a high probability of being stolen, so yes that is a charge, a felony too.  The pawn shop assumes no liability because the one pawning the item does.  That's why you show ID at pawn shops.  Nope, this junkie's going to jail if the property owner decided to press charges.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14622851 - 06/16/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It can be proven that op at least had knowledge that the items had a high probability of being stolen




If the OP doesn't say anything, how could that possibly be proven?


Furthermore, what's a "high probability of being stolen"?

If a guy brings you some shit, you can't know for sure either way depending on the story he gives.


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Humility]
    #14622972 - 06/16/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The rings can be proven to belong to the mother of one of his long time friends.  This is also not the first time this has happened between him and his friend regarding the mother's property being pawned (remember his friend is blackballed at local pawn shops).  With that in mind, no judge would believe any story op gives about "Oh I didn't know he stole those.  I thought those rings were his."

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14622983 - 06/16/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You're talking too much.  All he knows is he got the rings from someone without stealing them and pawned the rings.


There is no guilt or crime in that.

Anything you're saying is circumstantial.

You said you had "evidence".


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: Humility]
    #14627082 - 06/17/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Possessing stolen property is a crime. Attempting to sell stolen property is a crime. The argument that you "didn't know it was stolen" doesn't hold water unless you can prove that you didn't know it was stolen (you have a receipt from the guy you bought it from, etc).

tl;dr: Anyone who legitimately didn't know they possessed stolen property will be able to provide a reason for having said property.

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    #14627358 - 06/17/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Possessing stolen property is a crime. Attempting to sell stolen property is a crime. The argument that you "didn't know it was stolen" doesn't hold water unless you can prove that you didn't know it was stolen (you have a receipt from the guy you bought it from, etc).





Wrong; the burden of proof is on the plaintiff.  So if I pick some shit up off of the street that belongs to someone else I've automatically committed a crime?  You aren't making logical sense.  Neither does the law, but I don't think that's going to save you this time.



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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: Humility]
    #14629918 - 06/17/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Possessing stolen property is a crime. Attempting to sell stolen property is a crime. The argument that you "didn't know it was stolen" doesn't hold water unless you can prove that you didn't know it was stolen (you have a receipt from the guy you bought it from, etc).





Wrong; the burden of proof is on the plaintiff.  So if I pick some shit up off of the street that belongs to someone else I've automatically committed a crime?  You aren't making logical sense.  Neither does the law, but I don't think that's going to save you this time.



Canberra - Stick to Australian law MATE.



In the United States, Receipt of stolen property is a federal crime under 18 U.S.C. § 2315, defined as knowingly receive, conceal, or dispose of stolen property with a value at least $5,000 that is part of interstate commerce (i.e., been transported across state lines).
A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved:
  • The person received or concealed or stored or disposed of items of stolen property.
  • The items were moving as, or constituted a part of, interstate commerce.
  • The items had a value in excess of $5,000.
  • The person acted knowingly and willfully.

The government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person either received, concealed, stored, sold or disposed of the stolen property.
To be guilty of the offense, a person must know that the property had been stolen, but he need not know that it was moving as, or constituted a part of, interstate commerce. The term "interstate commerce" merely refers to the movement of property from one U.S. state into another; and it is sufficient if the property has recently moved interstate as a result of a transaction or a series of related transactions that have not been fully completed or consummated at the time of the person's acts as alleged.

All US states also have laws regarding receipt of stolen property; however, there usually is no minimum dollar amount in many jurisdictions, and, of course, the requirement in Federal law regarding interstate commerce does not apply. Also, in many states (Ohio, for example), the burden to prove criminal intent is not as stringent or is nonexistent.[3] This means that one can be charged with the crime - usually a minor degree of felony - even if the person did not know the item in question was stolen. In the Ohio case of State v. Awad, the goods didn't even need to be stolen, just represented as stolen.

Receiving stolen property and possession of stolen property are treated as separate offenses in some jurisdictions. The distinguishing element is when the person knew that the property was stolen. If the person knew that the property was stolen at the time he received it the crime is receiving stolen property. If the person did not know the property was stolen at the time she received it but found out after receiving possession, the crime is possession of stolen property.

The state must prove that the defendant received or possessed the property for a dishonest purpose. If for example the person acquired possession for the purpose of returning the property to its lawful owner no crime has been committed.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: user1837483975]
    #14629942 - 06/17/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You can say whatever you want man.


If you get charged with "possessing stolen property" and you don't say anything to anyone about anything, you aren't going to be convicted of the charge.


Because it's something that's impossible to prove sans mistakes being made.


You notice how of all of what you wrote, the basic idea is that the law is bullshit and you CAN still be charged for possessing something that's "stolen" without knowing its stolen.......

BUT there are still clauses and conditions based upon even THAT.

The state cannot PROVE anything without your consent.  As far as you know you received the item legitimately and you pawned it to a pawn shop, period, end of story.

Can't conjure a crime out of that.


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: Humility]
    #14630625 - 06/17/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Haha! you think that would hold up for one second in a real court of law?

"Yes your honor, I didn't know the rings were stolen! my junkie friend gave them to me to pawn for drug money! I thought they were his!"

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but if it was that easy no one would ever be charged with anything.

If you possess stolen property, it's up to YOU to prove you didn't steal it or didn't know it was stolen.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: user1837483975]
    #14631232 - 06/18/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> If you possess stolen property, it's up to YOU to prove you didn't steal it or didn't know it was stolen.

In the US, the burden of proof lies completely with the accuser.  You are presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.  Not all other countries do not have this presumption of innocence.


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    #14632732 - 06/18/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> If you possess stolen property, it's up to YOU to prove you didn't steal it or didn't know it was stolen.

In the US, the burden of proof lies completely with the accuser.  You are presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.  Not all other countries do not have this presumption of innocence.



No you misunderstand. Read over my post about US law. The evidence is already against you, it's up to you to prove otherwise.

It's not the same as being accused of a crime and then having to prove your innocence - the difference is that there is already evidence of the crime occurring. 

Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it seems to me.

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: user1837483975]
    #14640389 - 06/19/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You should have used a fake ID.  If you were at Totse/Zoklet, not the Shroomery, you wouldn't be in this situation.

Have fun getting your shitbox dry smashed in federal prison.


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: UniversalParadox]
    #14640418 - 06/19/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dont do heroin retard..... that is all


havent you seen requiem for a dream??


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: alcoholocaust]
    #14640446 - 06/19/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes.  We should all revolve our ways of life around movies.



I never eat after midnight......


And I didn't start becoming good at basketball til a full moon once..........

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14685120 - 06/28/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I suggest you quit drugs and really sit down and find yourself.
I am sure there is a wonderful lost soul inside that body of yours.

I hope you find yourself.:heart:

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Vitalux]
    #14685749 - 06/28/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:laugh2:

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14690018 - 06/29/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What the fuck, the dude did not come here to ask opinions about his heroin usage. (People telling him to get clean for court excluded.)

I'm also pretty sure I know who the OP is. :aweman:


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14758425 - 07/12/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wow so much hate for 2 little forum pages! fuck u all who had nothing but insults to say. i seriously feel sorry for u. call me a slut, a junky, a thief a piece of shit... blah blah blah... i could care less.

anyone of u with a serious hard drug habit would bring yourselves to steal in desperate times. addiction is survival and though it isnt always pretty, it is what it is.

i am clean and my struggles with addiction have only made me stronger. if i didnt know any better id say this was an anti-junky post more than anything. i didnt steal anything. if u got coke or X for someone and they OD'd and died and then the cops came looking for u for manslaughter, would u want to have a bunch of fuck tard self righteous bastards ridicule u? unfortunately for u, i have heard allthe trash talk a person could throw at a person, though hey if u still need to shoot me down for being an addict, then u go right ahead:hug:

a brief update, i dont know if i posted this but i have an attorney and hes pretty damn sure probation will be the hardest thing they could slam me with. knowing that makes me feel truckloads better. no one has pressed any charges yet. im starting to think it wont happen,then again this lady is an unpredictable breed. though im seriously starting to think shes thinking over just how sloppy this shit will be for her son in court and is having a clearer mind about it all. her son is guilty of a lot more than i am. if she opens this shit box open, he will go down a lot harder than me. even though the bastard is lying his ass off about my involvement, i know what i did and it was minimal. i can accept the responsibility for that now. its not what u know its what u can prove that hold up in court. they can only get me with a few items and i made an effort to return most of them. u dont think that kind of shit matters in court but believe it or not, it does. maybe not in the conviction but the sentencing, oh yes sir it does. my lawyer says the best thing for me to do, if im dead certain that charges will be pressed, is to turn myself in and give my testimonty before the accuser does. personally since i think shes backing down, ill hold off on this. but if the bitch does come around again and harrasses me and my family, i just might. that way her rotten fuckign son will have a warrent for his arrest.... have to be transported from another state... have a ridiculous cost in bail/attorney fees.... all for a possible plea of "going to rehab" or time in jail. it seems like it would bve cheaper for them to just leave his sorry ass in rehab. i know they wont let him sit in jail and theres no way to prosecute him and not me. reporting that is a falsifyed document and is not valid in a court of law.

im not that worried anymore, then again something MIGHT HAPPEN, so im still taking precautions to protect myself if the doorbell rings:uhoh:

go ahead and continue to hate on me if thats your game, i could give a fuck. but if u are real and understand where im coming from, addiction or note, id love to hear your feedback. i never wouldve pawned that shit if i knew what it meant to that person. stolen or not. my friend said it was the top of the pile for a bunch of shit she didnt remember she had let alone cared about. if i knew what it was i wouldve scored differently. then again it was a desperate time in my life and i wasnt thinking on those few occasions. i talked to my "friend"'s mom and she asked me about pages of shit that was missing. i had a brief loosee of this and i didnt recognize anything. tho the guy really did clean out her house, even of obscure things. i feel bad for the lady but there was def a better way to handle this shit....like starting with the asshole who stole it from u for starters!

yeah u think u know me? u just might, then again im a very private person so i doubt it. this kind of junky bullshit happens everywhere, so chances are u dont know me. but if u do, then hey there:hug:

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1] * 2
    #14758503 - 07/12/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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anyone of u with a serious hard drug habit would bring yourselves to steal




I'd never get there. So your whole self-righteous blather means nothing.
You're a thief and a junky and you need to do something different with your life.
Jail may not be the answer, but you'll end up dead if you stay on your current path, think it through.

Also, post under your name if you're so proud of yourself.


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    #14758654 - 07/12/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
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Anonymous said:
anyone of u with a serious hard drug habit would bring yourselves to steal




I'd never get there. So your whole self-righteous blather means nothing.
You're a thief and a junky and you need to do something different with your life.
Jail may not be the answer, but you'll end up dead if you stay on your current path, think it through.

Also, post under your name if you're so proud of yourself.




you left out the most specific bit of that quote.... "in desperate times."

and dont think u are smarter than an addiction. you just might reach such an extreme level of depravity if u were in a certain circumstance. when one looses everything because of their addiction, theft is not too far behind. though go ahead and judge me, i only stole a handful of times in my addiction. only toward the end, and for years prior i juggled it surprisingly well. only when times had gotten dark and heavy did i start to fuck up like this. i am not proud of this, i am not flaunting anything. "self righteous"?, give me a break:facepalm: no addict on the face ogf the eath is proud of where this lifestyle has taken them. open any NA book and read a little. theft and depravity are very common aspects of many addicts. its these extremes which make an addict an addict. there is no honor in survival, though u think with every bit of human conditioning there would be. dont get me wrong there is a very sharp line that i would never cross, even in the hieght of my use, but there are also things ive done which i swore i never would do. its a scary and dangerous lifestyle, that anyone stuck in would love to get away from.

i have cleaned up my act since then. take that or leave it. but no i wont leave my real name in here, that bit of info is irrelivant and am not foolish enough to open myself up to a witch hunt.

anyway. im out.

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    #14758762 - 07/12/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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though go ahead and judge me, i only stole a handful of times in my addiction. only toward the end, and for years prior i juggled it surprisingly well. only when times had gotten dark and heavy did i start to fuck up like this.






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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14759529 - 07/12/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dont do any more shady shit and you might become a good/better person:awesomenod:

that is all for now young grasshoper:chillin:

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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14760400 - 07/13/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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anyone of u with a serious hard drug habit would bring yourselves to steal in desperate times. addiction is survival and though it isnt always pretty, it is what it is




I stopped reading after this.  You're a junky and you suck at crime.  Quit trying to justify your crimes because of your drug problem.  That's why you have the problem, denial.

Have fun licking black sweaty balls in federal prison.


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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: UniversalParadox]
    #14761010 - 07/13/11 05:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i thought they were prob stolen but i figured he would own up to it if that day ever transpired where he was confronted by his mother.




No, you didn't think that. And you don't tell the cops or anyone that you figured they were hot.

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i knew my friend had stolen the rings. but i figured hed take the fall for it if anything happened




Make sure not to tell your public defender this, as they work with the prosecution.



A lot of good advice in this thread. If you're thinking that you're going to go to jail, hit rehab now, esp while in detox. Hell, you may get your life back together.

If you get sucked any further into this she will have you wrapped around her finger.

It is your mistake though. Honestly, you took knowingly stolen property and pawned it in your name. Are you really that surprised?

Your friend sounds like an asshole and I'd never associate with him or his mother again after this ordeal is over.

Don't offer this woman any more than she demands. It's unnecessary aggravation. The more you give into her 'lunacy' then the more she'll want until you find yourself having done all this shit to cover her son's mistake and in jail on top of it.

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