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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: LisonAlGaib]
#14622983 - 06/16/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're talking too much. All he knows is he got the rings from someone without stealing them and pawned the rings.
There is no guilt or crime in that.
Anything you're saying is circumstantial.
You said you had "evidence".
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: Humility]
#14627082 - 06/17/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Possessing stolen property is a crime. Attempting to sell stolen property is a crime. The argument that you "didn't know it was stolen" doesn't hold water unless you can prove that you didn't know it was stolen (you have a receipt from the guy you bought it from, etc).
tl;dr: Anyone who legitimately didn't know they possessed stolen property will be able to provide a reason for having said property.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: user1837483975]
#14627358 - 06/17/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Possessing stolen property is a crime. Attempting to sell stolen property is a crime. The argument that you "didn't know it was stolen" doesn't hold water unless you can prove that you didn't know it was stolen (you have a receipt from the guy you bought it from, etc).
Wrong; the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. So if I pick some shit up off of the street that belongs to someone else I've automatically committed a crime? You aren't making logical sense. Neither does the law, but I don't think that's going to save you this time.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: Humility]
#14629918 - 06/17/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Humility said:
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Possessing stolen property is a crime. Attempting to sell stolen property is a crime. The argument that you "didn't know it was stolen" doesn't hold water unless you can prove that you didn't know it was stolen (you have a receipt from the guy you bought it from, etc).
Wrong; the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. So if I pick some shit up off of the street that belongs to someone else I've automatically committed a crime? You aren't making logical sense. Neither does the law, but I don't think that's going to save you this time.
Canberra - Stick to Australian law MATE.
In the United States, Receipt of stolen property is a federal crime under 18 U.S.C. § 2315, defined as knowingly receive, conceal, or dispose of stolen property with a value at least $5,000 that is part of interstate commerce (i.e., been transported across state lines). A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved:
- The person received or concealed or stored or disposed of items of stolen property.
- The items were moving as, or constituted a part of, interstate commerce.
- The items had a value in excess of $5,000.
- The person acted knowingly and willfully.
The government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person either received, concealed, stored, sold or disposed of the stolen property. To be guilty of the offense, a person must know that the property had been stolen, but he need not know that it was moving as, or constituted a part of, interstate commerce. The term "interstate commerce" merely refers to the movement of property from one U.S. state into another; and it is sufficient if the property has recently moved interstate as a result of a transaction or a series of related transactions that have not been fully completed or consummated at the time of the person's acts as alleged.
All US states also have laws regarding receipt of stolen property; however, there usually is no minimum dollar amount in many jurisdictions, and, of course, the requirement in Federal law regarding interstate commerce does not apply. Also, in many states (Ohio, for example), the burden to prove criminal intent is not as stringent or is nonexistent.[3] This means that one can be charged with the crime - usually a minor degree of felony - even if the person did not know the item in question was stolen. In the Ohio case of State v. Awad, the goods didn't even need to be stolen, just represented as stolen.
Receiving stolen property and possession of stolen property are treated as separate offenses in some jurisdictions. The distinguishing element is when the person knew that the property was stolen. If the person knew that the property was stolen at the time he received it the crime is receiving stolen property. If the person did not know the property was stolen at the time she received it but found out after receiving possession, the crime is possession of stolen property.
The state must prove that the defendant received or possessed the property for a dishonest purpose. If for example the person acquired possession for the purpose of returning the property to its lawful owner no crime has been committed.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: user1837483975]
#14629942 - 06/17/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can say whatever you want man.
If you get charged with "possessing stolen property" and you don't say anything to anyone about anything, you aren't going to be convicted of the charge.
Because it's something that's impossible to prove sans mistakes being made.
You notice how of all of what you wrote, the basic idea is that the law is bullshit and you CAN still be charged for possessing something that's "stolen" without knowing its stolen.......
BUT there are still clauses and conditions based upon even THAT.
The state cannot PROVE anything without your consent. As far as you know you received the item legitimately and you pawned it to a pawn shop, period, end of story.
Can't conjure a crime out of that.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: Humility]
#14630625 - 06/17/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haha! you think that would hold up for one second in a real court of law?
"Yes your honor, I didn't know the rings were stolen! my junkie friend gave them to me to pawn for drug money! I thought they were his!"
Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but if it was that easy no one would ever be charged with anything.
If you possess stolen property, it's up to YOU to prove you didn't steal it or didn't know it was stolen.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: user1837483975]
#14631232 - 06/18/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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> If you possess stolen property, it's up to YOU to prove you didn't steal it or didn't know it was stolen.
In the US, the burden of proof lies completely with the accuser. You are presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. Not all other countries do not have this presumption of innocence.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft [Re: Seuss]
#14632732 - 06/18/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > If you possess stolen property, it's up to YOU to prove you didn't steal it or didn't know it was stolen.
In the US, the burden of proof lies completely with the accuser. You are presumed innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. Not all other countries do not have this presumption of innocence.
No you misunderstand. Read over my post about US law. The evidence is already against you, it's up to you to prove otherwise.
It's not the same as being accused of a crime and then having to prove your innocence - the difference is that there is already evidence of the crime occurring.
Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it seems to me.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: user1837483975]
#14640389 - 06/19/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You should have used a fake ID. If you were at Totse/Zoklet, not the Shroomery, you wouldn't be in this situation.
Have fun getting your shitbox dry smashed in federal prison.
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dont do heroin retard..... that is all
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: alcoholocaust]
#14640446 - 06/19/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes. We should all revolve our ways of life around movies.
I never eat after midnight......
And I didn't start becoming good at basketball til a full moon once..........
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: LisonAlGaib]
#14685120 - 06/28/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suggest you quit drugs and really sit down and find yourself. I am sure there is a wonderful lost soul inside that body of yours.
I hope you find yourself.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Vitalux]
#14685749 - 06/28/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: LisonAlGaib]
#14690018 - 06/29/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What the fuck, the dude did not come here to ask opinions about his heroin usage. (People telling him to get clean for court excluded.)
I'm also pretty sure I know who the OP is.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: KingEmblem]
#14758425 - 07/12/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow so much hate for 2 little forum pages! fuck u all who had nothing but insults to say. i seriously feel sorry for u. call me a slut, a junky, a thief a piece of shit... blah blah blah... i could care less.
anyone of u with a serious hard drug habit would bring yourselves to steal in desperate times. addiction is survival and though it isnt always pretty, it is what it is.
i am clean and my struggles with addiction have only made me stronger. if i didnt know any better id say this was an anti-junky post more than anything. i didnt steal anything. if u got coke or X for someone and they OD'd and died and then the cops came looking for u for manslaughter, would u want to have a bunch of fuck tard self righteous bastards ridicule u? unfortunately for u, i have heard allthe trash talk a person could throw at a person, though hey if u still need to shoot me down for being an addict, then u go right ahead
a brief update, i dont know if i posted this but i have an attorney and hes pretty damn sure probation will be the hardest thing they could slam me with. knowing that makes me feel truckloads better. no one has pressed any charges yet. im starting to think it wont happen,then again this lady is an unpredictable breed. though im seriously starting to think shes thinking over just how sloppy this shit will be for her son in court and is having a clearer mind about it all. her son is guilty of a lot more than i am. if she opens this shit box open, he will go down a lot harder than me. even though the bastard is lying his ass off about my involvement, i know what i did and it was minimal. i can accept the responsibility for that now. its not what u know its what u can prove that hold up in court. they can only get me with a few items and i made an effort to return most of them. u dont think that kind of shit matters in court but believe it or not, it does. maybe not in the conviction but the sentencing, oh yes sir it does. my lawyer says the best thing for me to do, if im dead certain that charges will be pressed, is to turn myself in and give my testimonty before the accuser does. personally since i think shes backing down, ill hold off on this. but if the bitch does come around again and harrasses me and my family, i just might. that way her rotten fuckign son will have a warrent for his arrest.... have to be transported from another state... have a ridiculous cost in bail/attorney fees.... all for a possible plea of "going to rehab" or time in jail. it seems like it would bve cheaper for them to just leave his sorry ass in rehab. i know they wont let him sit in jail and theres no way to prosecute him and not me. reporting that is a falsifyed document and is not valid in a court of law.
im not that worried anymore, then again something MIGHT HAPPEN, so im still taking precautions to protect myself if the doorbell rings
go ahead and continue to hate on me if thats your game, i could give a fuck. but if u are real and understand where im coming from, addiction or note, id love to hear your feedback. i never wouldve pawned that shit if i knew what it meant to that person. stolen or not. my friend said it was the top of the pile for a bunch of shit she didnt remember she had let alone cared about. if i knew what it was i wouldve scored differently. then again it was a desperate time in my life and i wasnt thinking on those few occasions. i talked to my "friend"'s mom and she asked me about pages of shit that was missing. i had a brief loosee of this and i didnt recognize anything. tho the guy really did clean out her house, even of obscure things. i feel bad for the lady but there was def a better way to handle this shit....like starting with the asshole who stole it from u for starters!
yeah u think u know me? u just might, then again im a very private person so i doubt it. this kind of junky bullshit happens everywhere, so chances are u dont know me. but if u do, then hey there
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1] 2
#14758503 - 07/12/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: anyone of u with a serious hard drug habit would bring yourselves to steal
I'd never get there. So your whole self-righteous blather means nothing. You're a thief and a junky and you need to do something different with your life. Jail may not be the answer, but you'll end up dead if you stay on your current path, think it through.
Also, post under your name if you're so proud of yourself.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Doc_T]
#14758654 - 07/12/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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Anonymous said: anyone of u with a serious hard drug habit would bring yourselves to steal
I'd never get there. So your whole self-righteous blather means nothing. You're a thief and a junky and you need to do something different with your life. Jail may not be the answer, but you'll end up dead if you stay on your current path, think it through.
Also, post under your name if you're so proud of yourself.
you left out the most specific bit of that quote.... "in desperate times."
and dont think u are smarter than an addiction. you just might reach such an extreme level of depravity if u were in a certain circumstance. when one looses everything because of their addiction, theft is not too far behind. though go ahead and judge me, i only stole a handful of times in my addiction. only toward the end, and for years prior i juggled it surprisingly well. only when times had gotten dark and heavy did i start to fuck up like this. i am not proud of this, i am not flaunting anything. "self righteous"?, give me a break no addict on the face ogf the eath is proud of where this lifestyle has taken them. open any NA book and read a little. theft and depravity are very common aspects of many addicts. its these extremes which make an addict an addict. there is no honor in survival, though u think with every bit of human conditioning there would be. dont get me wrong there is a very sharp line that i would never cross, even in the hieght of my use, but there are also things ive done which i swore i never would do. its a scary and dangerous lifestyle, that anyone stuck in would love to get away from.
i have cleaned up my act since then. take that or leave it. but no i wont leave my real name in here, that bit of info is irrelivant and am not foolish enough to open myself up to a witch hunt.
anyway. im out.
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#14758762 - 07/12/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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though go ahead and judge me, i only stole a handful of times in my addiction. only toward the end, and for years prior i juggled it surprisingly well. only when times had gotten dark and heavy did i start to fuck up like this.
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14759529 - 07/12/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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dont do any more shady shit and you might become a good/better person
that is all for now young grasshoper
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Re: fuck i might be doing time for "theft" [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14760400 - 07/13/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: anyone of u with a serious hard drug habit would bring yourselves to steal in desperate times. addiction is survival and though it isnt always pretty, it is what it is
I stopped reading after this. You're a junky and you suck at crime. Quit trying to justify your crimes because of your drug problem. That's why you have the problem, denial.
Have fun licking black sweaty balls in federal prison.
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