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Offlineobavijest
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2c vs mushies
    #14612825 - 06/14/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i cant decide between getting 20mg of 2CI or an eighth of mushrooms.

after fucking around with jwh-018 for a couple months i promised myself never to ingest RCs again, but this chemical seems to have been around for quite a while...

i took an eighth of shrooms three days ago, and while i know i would probably still have a tolerance, the experience was so great and natural feeling i want to do it again ASAP :fonda:

now where you come in....i'd like to hear your 2CI experiences and comparisons between that and mushrooms....mostly just your thoughts on 2CI though

    thanks in advance

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: obavijest]
    #14612844 - 06/14/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol take the eight unless you've had a tad too many shrooms in the past month.

If I could choose right now I'd take the shrooms, no fuckin doubt bout it :awedance:

On the other 2c-i is good if you want to probe novel receptor space. Still 4-ho-dmt agonization > 2c-x


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: mellowparty]
    #14612851 - 06/14/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Mushies > 2-CI


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: obavijest]
    #14612854 - 06/14/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

2c really hasn't been around for a long time either. I would choose the shrooms for the simple reason of I dislike doing RCs. I messed around with JWH and 25c before and I'd much rather just drop acid or do shrooms.


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: obavijest]
    #14612875 - 06/14/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i've never done 2c-i, but i would say i like 2c-e at least as much as i like shrooms.

in your position i would do the 2c-i because you've done shrooms, and the 2c-i would be something new.


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14612887 - 06/14/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

too bad noone knows the long term effects of RCs:shocked:

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14612895 - 06/14/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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SamuelLJackson said:
i've never done 2c-i, but i would say i like 2c-e at least as much as i like shrooms.

in your position i would do the 2c-i because you've done shrooms, and the 2c-i would be something new.



I agree

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14612904 - 06/14/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He makes a good point. I'd be tempted too if I've never had it before but 20mg is weaksauce anyway :shrug:

3.5g of decent mush would take me further


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14612909 - 06/14/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i forgot this is the shroomery...figures your answers are a little lop sided:grin:

Quote:

i like cow poo said:
too bad noone knows the long term effects of RCs:shocked:




this is what puts me off...especially an RC that makes you hallucinate.

but then again, when shrooms make you hallucinate, is there no damage done? i dont get how something that distorts your vision and mind could be harmless.....how exactly does psylocybin make you see colors, patterns, undulations, etc?

plus the restless leg syndrome i got scared me a bit

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: obavijest]
    #14612976 - 06/14/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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how exactly does psylocybin make you see colors, patterns, undulations, etc?



From my journal:

Part 5. - Hallucinations

Perhaps you have wondered where the wonderful shapes of hallucinations come from. They arise in the primary level of the visual cortex known as the V1 layer. Along its path the V1 area is divided into hypercolumns of neurons and each hypercolumn corresponds to a small field of the retina. Each hypercolumn contains columns of neurons that respond not only to dark and bright but also to edges of all angular orientations. So its the lay-out of the hypercolumns and orienation preferences that enables us to detect  contours, surfaces and textures.

Inside the hypercolumn neurons interact with most other neurons. But when it comes to neurons from other hypercolumns, the nerve cells are quite selective. They will interact only with neurons in the same angular preference and this allows the V1 area to detect continous contours.


Fig.10 Connections in V1. Neurons will interact with neurons from other hypercolumns, only if the latter lie in the direction of their orientation and if the neurons have the same angular preference.

Lets present the V1 layer as a mathematical plane. Each hypercolumn is defined as a point, in this plane, with a set of coordinates (x and y). In turn each point of the plain corresponds to a hypercolum and each neuron is defined by the coordinates of its own hypercolumn along with an angular preference coordinate θ (where θ is between 0o and π). So to sum up the V1 area can be defined as a plane with a set of three bits of information - x, y and θ.

So a neuron with an angular preference of θ0 that lies in a hypercolumn defined by coordinates x0 and y0 will have the following coordinates x0; y0; θ0. This neuron will interact with most other neurons in the x0; y0 hypercolumn. However it will interact with neurons from other hypercolumns only if the hypercolumn lies in a straight line at an angle θ0(the line must go through both hypercolumns) and if those neurons have an angular preference θ0.

This interaction pattern is highly symmetric. If two elements (x0, y0, θ0) and (s0, t0, φ0) interact with each other, then the elements you get by shifting along, that is (x0+a, y0+b, θ0) and (s0+a, t0+b, φ0) for given a and b will interact in the same way. The pattern is also invariant upon rotations and reflection of the plane (fig.11).


Fig.11 Interactions between V1 elements as a function of rectangular coordinates and angular preference. Look at the text for a detailed explanation.

Computer rendering shows that this model is sensitive to symmetries and mathematics illustrate that its the symmetries that are responsible for the emergence of periodic patterns of neural activity. The model suggests that its the lay-out of hypercolumns and angular preferences (responsible for pattern and contour detection) that generate hallucinations. When you plug in an activator in this circuitry (say LSD) the neural activity increases, and this is translated into the emergence of visual hallucinations.


Fig12. Computer generated repressentations of form constants that can arise as increased neural activity in V1.

If you find this interesting and you like hallucinations I have the following experiment you can do. Probably many of you are already familiar with this. We are going to perform a thorough visual stimulation of cortical cells responsive to bars at 45o angle. The outcome should be short-term visual distortion as a result of too much neurotransmitters released between cortical cells of different hypercolumns at 45o angle.



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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: obavijest]
    #14613043 - 06/14/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, there's a lot more to their effects than the following (e.g. LSD also releases a lot of dopamine and makes you happy), but this describes their primary mechanism of action.

Psilocin mimics the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine) and binds to certain serotonin receptor sites (e.g. 5-HT2A, 5-HT2C).
Psilocin has a partial agonist effect. This means that it will increase the membrane voltage just a little bit (i.e. partial).
(If you get the membrane voltage over the threshold voltage, an action potential will be sent along the neuron.)

Most tryptamine-based psychedelics (e.g. LSD, DMT, mushrooms) work this way.
Some phenethylamine-based psychedelics also work this way (e.g. mescaline, 2C-X).

2C-X has very low efficacy at the 5-HT2A sites. Their action seems to happen more at the 5-HT2C sites.
Mushrooms obviously have more research done on them though.
Physically, these chemicals are very benign and have been shown to cause no physical damage. They are metabolized very quickly.

The amino acid lysine, the CBD from your weed, anti-migraine/anti-depressant/anti-psychotic medicines...
All work very similarly. (Some are antagonists to the serotonin receptor sites.)

I would eat the mushrooms.

This turned into an essay, but I learned about 2C-X drugs in the process. :lol:


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: mellowparty]
    #14613065 - 06/14/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mellowparty said:
He makes a good point. I'd be tempted too if I've never had it before but 20mg is weaksauce anyway :shrug:

3.5g of decent mush would take me further




I wouldn't really call 20mg of 2c-i weak, it's not a bad dose at all, anything higher than that and I get way too stimmed and uncomfortable.

I would go for the shrooms though, partly because 20mg of 2c-i should be way cheaper than an eighth of shrooms. Just look around on the web and you can probably get way more for the same price. It might not be what you're looking for though, lots of people describe 2c-i as "shallow"; it kinda lacks the power of a good shroom trip. Not bad visuals though.

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: orangeyouglad]
    #14613074 - 06/14/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

anything less than 25mg is weak for me


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: mellowparty]
    #14613086 - 06/14/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mellowparty said:
anything less than 25mg is weak for me




Do you find the same with the other 2c-x compounds? Or just 2c-i?

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14613307 - 06/14/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mellowparty said:
Quote:

how exactly does psylocybin make you see colors, patterns, undulations, etc?



From my journal:

Part 5. - Hallucinations





Quote:

ifoundwaldo said:
Well, there's a lot more to their effects than the following (e.g. LSD also releases a lot of dopamine and makes you happy), but this describes their primary mechanism of action.

Psilocin mimics the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine) and binds to certain serotonin receptor sites (e.g. 5-HT2A, 5-HT2C).
Psilocin has a partial agonist effect. This means that it will increase the membrane voltage just a little bit (i.e. partial).
(If you get the membrane voltage over the threshold voltage, an action potential will be sent along the neuron.)

Most tryptamine-based psychedelics (e.g. LSD, DMT, mushrooms) work this way.
Some phenethylamine-based psychedelics also work this way (e.g. mescaline, 2C-X).

2C-X has very low efficacy at the 5-HT2A sites. Their action seems to happen more at the 5-HT2C sites.
Mushrooms obviously have more research done on them though.
Physically, these chemicals are very benign and have been shown to cause no physical damage. They are metabolized very quickly.

The amino acid lysine, the CBD from your weed, anti-migraine/anti-depressant/anti-psychotic medicines...
All work very similarly. (Some are antagonists to the serotonin receptor sites.)

I would eat the mushrooms.

This turned into an essay, but I learned about 2C-X drugs in the process. :lol:





thanks guys. now i just need a couple hrs to comprehend all this smart people jargon :facepalm3:  any clues as to why your legs twich, eyes water, nose run, yawn, etc?

but yeah, mushrooms it is :crazy2:

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: obavijest]
    #14613322 - 06/14/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Legs twitch... Probably vasoconstriction?

Eyes water... From yawning?
Yawning... Not sure.

Nose run... Because you have too much mucus in there?

:billnye:


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14613340 - 06/14/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ifoundwaldo said:
Legs twitch... Probably vasoconstriction?

Eyes water... From yawning?
Yawning... Not sure.

Nose run... Because you have too much mucus in there?

:billnye:




rofl, it was definitely from the shrooms.  restless legs until i layed down under a blanket, but still had huge urges just to move them back and forth. the yawning started just after effects were noticed, and wouldnt cease for hours....bringing MASSIVE streams of tears, more than i would have secreted by crying over something tragic. and my nasal passages seemed to open up almost. it felt like my body was flushing itself, and my trip partner had the same symptoms

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: obavijest]
    #14613354 - 06/14/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

obavijest said:
Quote:

ifoundwaldo said:
Legs twitch... Probably vasoconstriction?

Eyes water... From yawning?
Yawning... Not sure.

Nose run... Because you have too much mucus in there?

:billnye:




rofl, it was definitely from the shrooms.  restless legs until i layed down under a blanket, but still had huge urges just to move them back and forth. the yawning started just after effects were noticed, and wouldnt cease for hours....bringing MASSIVE streams of tears, more than i would have secreted by crying over something tragic. and my nasal passages seemed to open up almost. it felt like my body was flushing itself, and my trip partner had the same symptoms




The shrooms are telling you to blow your nose more, yawn more, and cry more. (I'm not serious.)


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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: GrandfatheredInn]
    #14613718 - 06/14/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

GrandfatheredInn said:
Mushies > 2-CI



this, forever

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Re: 2c vs mushies [Re: plaster]
    #14614805 - 06/14/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

and the winner is............



whats left of the 8th...small specimens.  going for a light dose, might munch another:fonda::fonda::fonda:

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