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Societies' Aversion to Genitals * 1
    #14613076 - 06/14/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Why is it that most modern cultures have some aversion to to the genitals? What was it that caused this phenomenon to be so widespread?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613127 - 06/14/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Find answer in Becker's book Denial of Death. :wink:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613146 - 06/14/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My interpretation of your thread means the exposure thereof.

I guess, no matter the maturity level, people deep down, think: "he pisses with that"......or "he uses that for sex with a women"....Im not trying to poke fun at your thread....just state the obvious.  Why pissing or fucking are a hugh deal I guess goes with the mores of each society.

......why it is is so widespread in the US may have to do with the laws of "indecent exposure"...My parents taught me to be fully clothed in public....Im sure I am not in the minority.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613176 - 06/14/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes "The denial of death" is a must read if you are even slightly interested in this sort of thing... In it Ernest Becker reviews the pos-Freudian views on child development, the concept of heroism, and the many manifestations of the fear of death.

I read it from cover to cover in a few days and still return to it regularly, which is unusual for such a technical and often difficult book.

It's also a great introduction to psychoanalysis in general.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14613195 - 06/14/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Find answer in Becker's book Denial of Death. :wink:





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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14613239 - 06/14/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes "The denial of death" is a must read if you are even slightly interested in this sort of thing... In it Ernest Becker reviews the pos-Freudian views on child development, the concept of heroism, and the many manifestations of the fear of death.

I read it from cover to cover in a few days and still return to it regularly, which is unusual for such a technical and often difficult book.

It's also a great introduction to psychoanalysis in general.





I knew it.  I could tell from your past posts that you had likely read it. :satansmoking:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613346 - 06/14/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Why is it that most modern cultures have some aversion to to the genitals? What was it that caused this phenomenon to be so widespread?




if society never covered them up to such an extent in the first place, would that aversion exist?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: deranger]
    #14613355 - 06/14/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Why is it that most modern cultures have some aversion to to the genitals? What was it that caused this phenomenon to be so widespread?




if society never covered them up to such an extent in the first place, would that aversion exist?




Of course not, because if the aversion existed they would just cover them up.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613379 - 06/14/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Without the threat of a misdemeanor, would you stroll through the mall with a swinging dick?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14613405 - 06/14/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I knew it.  I could tell from your past posts that you had likely read it. :satansmoking:




:datass: You got me!

That post was inspired more by satre than anything but the context was taken from the denial of death and escape from evil.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14613867 - 06/14/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Haven't read Escape from Evil.  Is it worth it and in a nutshell how is it different from Denial of Death? Becker said of Denial of Death that it was his first truly mature work.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14615305 - 06/15/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

because they distract

better to



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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14616958 - 06/15/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe it has to do with protection. Perhaps males first started doing it as a means of protection, and when this became the norm, it began to be viewed as rude to not cover up.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14617000 - 06/15/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Genitals are a symbol of the finitude of the flesh, as well as the anus, vomit, menstruation, feces etc...

Another more tangible reason is that children have a natural curiosity about their own genitals and especially those of their parents, but are generally discouraged from touching themselves, other children and obviously their parents. This repressed curiosity then manifests itself as an anxiety.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14617032 - 06/15/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Genitals are a symbol of the finitude of the flesh, as well as the anus, vomit, menstruation, feces etc...

Another more tangible reason is that children have a natural curiosity about their own genitals and especially those of their parents, but are generally discouraged from touching themselves, other children and obviously their parents. This repressed curiosity then manifests itself as an anxiety.




But why was touching of others' genitals first looked down upon? Also, could you explain how a penis symbolizes the "finitude of the flesh"?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14617131 - 06/15/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Genitals are a symbol of the finitude of the flesh, as well as the anus, vomit, menstruation, feces etc...

Another more tangible reason is that children have a natural curiosity about their own genitals and especially those of their parents, but are generally discouraged from touching themselves, other children and obviously their parents. This repressed curiosity then manifests itself as an anxiety.



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    #14617137 - 06/15/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding, if the child thinks it's okay to fondle himself, his siblings, and his parents he may go on to think it's okay to have sex with them (?) it's pretty speculative though.

The penis is a symbol of our animalistic nature, and in turn its destiny, both as a sexual organ, in the sense that it relates to our primal urge to procreate, and as vulnerable extremity that excretes urine ( something that is beyond our control, as is an erection ).


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14617556 - 06/15/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It was a way to control people emotionally.

I believe all religions were created by a group of intelligent and wealthy rulers who had a deep understanding of psychology and realized that a being with sexually curious and abundant sexual desire, repressed, would culminate in a more self-concious individual who ultimately is much more susceptable to influence.

Mind you, genetil aversion would not work unless there is some aversion towards sexuality and sexual pleasure.

The irony is that the most self concious people are usually the most sexually repressed.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14617610 - 06/15/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It can be used to control people but it is also inherent in all of us. As I above said it makes evolutionary sense for us to have sexual anxieties.

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I believe all religions were created by a group of intelligent and wealthy rulers who had a deep understanding of psychology




:laugh2:

I'm sorry but it seems like you need to look into the history of the abrahamic religions in relation the post-Aristotelian thinking, you're not necessarily wrong, but that's a gross exaggeration. The facts do exist, the library is your friend.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14617675 - 06/15/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding,




this.


...or prevents freak accidents :awesurprise:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14618094 - 06/15/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding, if the child thinks it's okay to fondle himself, his siblings, and his parents he may go on to think it's okay to have sex with them (?) it's pretty speculative though.

The penis is a symbol of our animalistic nature, and in turn its destiny, both as a sexual organ, in the sense that it relates to our primal urge to procreate, and as vulnerable extremity that excretes urine ( something that is beyond our control, as is an erection ).




This seems to be the most likely answer I have heard. :thumbup:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14618103 - 06/15/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



No aversion here. Quite the opposite. Hate to run from a predator with those. :whoa:


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    #14618263 - 06/15/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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    #14618620 - 06/15/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: deranger]
    #14618641 - 06/15/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14618679 - 06/15/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a tame drunk.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14620783 - 06/16/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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It can be used to control people but it is also inherent in all of us. As I above said it makes evolutionary sense for us to have sexual anxieties.

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I believe all religions were created by a group of intelligent and wealthy rulers who had a deep understanding of psychology




:laugh2:

I'm sorry but it seems like you need to look into the history of the abrahamic religions in relation the post-Aristotelian thinking, you're not necessarily wrong, but that's a gross exaggeration. The facts do exist, the library is your friend.





:facepalm:

You do realize that you are talking about history here?

Do you know who writes history?

The victors, the powerful, those who have power and intend on keeping it through any means.

I would laugh at the idea that greek ideology surrounding sexuality could possibly have affected the biblical teachings.

If you don't know why, you really need to quit debating history because that is a simple thing to understand even at a beginners level.

There are many other reasons why I think the bible was created intentionally by a group of wealthy elite.

But thats another thread. I have actually made a thread on it, I might do it again with some more interesting findings.

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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14620810 - 06/16/11 02:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding, if the child thinks it's okay to fondle himself, his siblings, and his parents he may go on to think it's okay to have sex with them (?) it's pretty speculative though.

The penis is a symbol of our animalistic nature, and in turn its destiny, both as a sexual organ, in the sense that it relates to our primal urge to procreate, and as vulnerable extremity that excretes urine ( something that is beyond our control, as is an erection ).






Why would not having healthy kids have anything to do with survival, if evolution has not been proven to be existent for procreation/survival? Regardless, do realize that even if in-breeding occurs there is still a 50 % chance of having a perfectly healthy baby, right?

That is a huge chance that it will occur and it probably did end up occurring, healthy babies can arise from incest.

I think the problem lies in your assumption that sexuality is a drive to procreation.

Nowhere has science proven yet that it exists this way in humans. In other animals it has to some extent, but not in human beings at all.

Unless you can show me where, your claim is unacceptable and if you still accepted you are accepting it on blind faith.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14621025 - 06/16/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I would laugh at the idea that greek ideology surrounding sexuality could possibly have affected the biblical teachings.

Why? Prove your case or stfu. Links would be helpful.


If you don't know why, you really need to quit debating history because that is a simple thing to understand even at a beginners level.


Bullshit, tell us why in detail or stfu.

There are many other reasons why I think the bible was created intentionally by a group of wealthy elite.

We're waiting.

Do you know who writes history?

Guys like you?  :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14621252 - 06/16/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Let's keep things civil, this could turn ugly.

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Do you know who writes history?

The victors, the powerful, those who have power and intend on keeping it through any means.




You're right, but in that case where are you getting your ideas from?

Although there are many books available on the subject of Christianity and Islam adopting, and indeed propagating the Greek scientific and philosophical method ( one of the few good things that those religions have done for humanity )you can also simply look into the history of each and see for yourself how they affected each other.

Understanding of the human mind was fragmented and philosophy was focused mostly on metaphysical questions about experience, and not so much about society.

I confess that I don't know a great deal about this, and a short weekend of reading would give you a better understanding that I have.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14621284 - 06/16/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's already turned imo.  To belittle a post and then provide no evidence as to why is weak at best.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14621342 - 06/16/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

To be fair I did patronize AlphaFalfa a bit and the :laugh2: may have been unnecessary.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14621527 - 06/16/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Not a very good instigator dude. Work on this obvious flaw in your debate skills. :lol:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14621597 - 06/16/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

:facepalm:

You guys are smart, I'll let you guys realize on your own why a society that accepted pedestry, homosexuality and a variety of sexual lifestyles, did not have a moral influence on the sexuality proposed to individuals reading bible!


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14621615 - 06/16/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Let's keep things civil, this could turn ugly.

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Do you know who writes history?

The victors, the powerful, those who have power and intend on keeping it through any means.




You're right, but in that case where are you getting your ideas from?

It doesn't take a historical genius to realize that history is always recorded by the wealthy elite. What you may not yet realize is that history and culture of an entire culture can be wiped out within a few generations.

Take the haiti aboriginee's. The spaniards, my anscestors, wiped out a complete tribal culture within two generations by; taking control of education and killing the adults, then allowing a new generation of religiously indoctrinated individuals to procreate.






Although there are many books available on the subject of Christianity and Islam adopting, and indeed propagating the Greek scientific and philosophical method ( one of the few good things that those religions have done for humanity )you can also simply look into the history of each and see for yourself how they affected each other.

I would be open to the idea that some christian morals were influenced by greek thinking but I would laugh at the idea that it influenced sexual thinking in the bible.

Understanding of the human mind was fragmented and philosophy was focused mostly on metaphysical questions about experience, and not so much about society.

I confess that I don't know a great deal about this, and a short weekend of reading would give you a better understanding that I have.




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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14621682 - 06/16/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

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You guys are smart, I'll let you guys realize on your own why a society that accepted pedestry, homosexuality and a variety of sexual lifestyles, did not have a moral influence on the sexuality proposed to individuals reading bible!





In other words I was right about you and you can't back your claims. :braindamage:


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    #14621849 - 06/16/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i think it was originally out of respect.

then out of fear.

then out of jealousy.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: desert father]
    #14621861 - 06/16/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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i think it was originally out of respect.

then out of fear.

then out of jealousy.




Why do you think that?


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    #14621967 - 06/16/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

alright, here's my shotty explanation of my thought haha

i believe that the genitals in times before us had been better understood, more well respected, and held in higher regard (not that they are not now, these are very broad generalizations).  by this i mean that there was a much greater need and feel for reproduction, in the sense that survival was more of a challenge then.

when survival had been reduced to a trade (trade money or something of value for food/water), reproduction and the way people looked at it might have changed.  the change probably divided those with old beliefs and those with faith in consumerism.  this divide caused a fear of walking naked holy men, or a fear of exposure.  maybe this was developed because of a superiority complex that the consumers had developed over those with respect and need for regeneration.

jealousy could then be thrown into the mix because of a complete misunderstanding of old ways, and the fact that people worked together less to survive, so in turn they all developed subjective ideas of what was or wasn't appropriate, and had law and government to back up their ideas.  they wanted people to be clothed in an attempt to cloak the fact that we are all animals.  in a way i feel that clothes and such culture separated us from our instinctive selves, and this new form of individuality led to a misunderstanding of the nature of ourselves.  these ideas could have led to men and women becoming jealous of one another because survival was no longer what it had been, hence the need to have laws and statutes that require clothes.

people naturally don't want to see how they are inferior to another human, so clothes and these laws were used to hide their psychological insecurities, thus breeding jealousy out of fear, which had been bread out of ignorance or lack of understanding of the respect that our ancestors had for the genitals.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14621984 - 06/16/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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No aversion here. Quite the opposite. Hate to run from a predator with those. :whoa:




dude, how fast do you think those guys could really run in pursuit of a victim? lol

i bet their nuts hurt so bad just trying to move from bed to take a piss, never mind chase anybody down.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: desert father]
    #14621986 - 06/16/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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alright, here's my shotty explanation of my thought haha

i believe that the genitals in times before us had been better understood, more well respected, and held in higher regard (not that they are not now, these are very broad generalizations).  by this i mean that there was a much greater need and feel for reproduction, in the sense that survival was more of a challenge then.

when survival had been reduced to a trade (trade money or something of value for food/water), reproduction and the way people looked at it might have changed.  the change probably divided those with old beliefs and those with faith in consumerism.  this divide caused a fear of walking naked holy men, or a fear of exposure.  maybe this was developed because of a superiority complex that the consumers had developed over those with respect and need for regeneration.

jealousy could then be thrown into the mix because of a complete misunderstanding of old ways, and the fact that people worked together less to survive, so in turn they all developed subjective ideas of what was or wasn't appropriate, and had law and government to back up their ideas.  they wanted people to be clothed in an attempt to cloak the fact that we are all animals.  in a way i feel that clothes and such culture separated us from our instinctive selves, and this new form of individuality led to a misunderstanding of the nature of ourselves.  these ideas could have led to men and women becoming jealous of one another because survival was no longer what it had been, hence the need to have laws and statutes that require clothes.

people naturally don't want to see how they are inferior to another human, so clothes and these laws were used to hide their psychological insecurities, thus breeding jealousy out of fear, which had been bread out of ignorance or lack of understanding of the respect that our ancestors had for the genitals.




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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14622018 - 06/16/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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i'm confused, are you implying that i'm retarded?

it's not a problem if you are, but i gave you the time to explain myself, would you care to do so as well?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14622020 - 06/16/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

:facepalm:

You guys are smart, I'll let you guys realize on your own why a society that accepted pedestry, homosexuality and a variety of sexual lifestyles, did not have a moral influence on the sexuality proposed to individuals reading bible!





In other words I was right about you and you can't back your claims. :braindamage:





you have to be kidding me?

Back my claims?

What sort of evidence do you need anyways?

If you can't see why a society that promoted pedophilia and homosexuality, a society of pansexuals, could not have influenced the biblical morality concerning sexuality you must have a screw loose.

You also, did not even attempt to show me why greek society influenced biblical morality anyways, so I can't see how you get off calling me retarded when you haven't even began to bring ANY evidence contrary to what I have said and for what you said.

:fonda:

Jeez, talk about loopy.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: desert father]
    #14622035 - 06/16/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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desert father said:
?

i'm confused, are you implying that i'm retarded?

it's not a problem if you are, but i gave you the time to explain myself, would you care to do so as well?




:rofl2:

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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14622088 - 06/16/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Another more tangible reason is that children have a natural curiosity about their own genitals and especially those of their parents, but are generally discouraged from touching themselves, other children and obviously their parents. This repressed curiosity then manifests itself as an anxiety.





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But why was touching of others' genitals first looked down upon? Also, could you explain how a penis symbolizes the "finitude of the flesh"?




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I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding, if the child thinks it's okay to fondle himself, his siblings, and his parents he may go on to think it's okay to have sex with them




I think that settles it, don't you?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14622105 - 06/16/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I never called anyone retarded but if the shoe fits.

I don't have to prove anything because I made no claims.  I want you to prove your claims instead if insisting they are self evident which they are not to me and others here.

Human sexuality is a very complex issue and often taboos and such make no sense until you understand the psychology behind them.

So here's your chance to explain it all.  Others here have done you that courtesy. (Ziggy)


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14622171 - 06/16/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I never called anyone retarded but if the shoe fits.

I don't have to prove anything because I made no claims.  I want you to prove your claims instead if insisting they are self evident which they are not to me and others here.

Human sexuality is a very complex issue and often taboos and such make no sense until you understand the psychology behind them.

So here's your chance to explain it all.  Others here have done you that courtesy. (Ziggy)




I actually didn't say they were self-evident. I said "Anyone who knows basic greek history would never claim that biblical sexual morality could have been influenced by it"

I also provided a link showing that greek sexual morality is polar opposite to bilbical sexual morality.

Pedophelia for fuck sakes!


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14622241 - 06/16/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I would laugh at the idea that greek ideology surrounding sexuality could possibly have affected the biblical teachings.

Greeks influenced Roman culture and Roman culture had influence on Jewish culture.

Not to mention that there was more to Greek and Roman sexuality than Pedophilia.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14622304 - 06/16/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's either-

-Genitals are highly sensitive areas of the body and extremely vulnerable to discomfort through environmental factors, such as sun exposure, cold, or general wear and tear. The nature of our genitals(sex) combined with our need to cover/protect them has caused our feelings regarding exposure.

-Eve ate an evil apple from an evil tree and brought an eternal curse upon all of humanity.



IMO aversion is not the only result, obsession can occur just as easily (depending on your attitude towards sex).


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14622387 - 06/16/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I would laugh at the idea that greek ideology surrounding sexuality could possibly have affected the biblical teachings.

Greeks influenced Roman culture and Roman culture had influence on Jewish culture.

Not to mention that there was more to Greek and Roman sexuality than Pedophilia.





Read my shit iceminster.

I did say that greek morality could have been an influence on biblical morality, however, I disagree with the claim that greek sexuality could have influenced the type of morality bieng enforced in the bible through pain of eternal damnation.....

I covered this and I see now that you agree, but now I would like to hear from Ziggy, mister librarian about it.

:popcorn:

Damn I am such a condecending jerk when people attack my intellect...I am glad I atleast have a brain to cover me sometimes.

No hard feelings.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14623019 - 06/16/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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It's either-

-Genitals are highly sensitive areas of the body and extremely vulnerable to discomfort through environmental factors, such as sun exposure, cold, or general wear and tear. The nature of our genitals(sex) combined with our need to cover/protect them has caused our feelings regarding exposure.

-Eve ate an evil apple from an evil tree and brought an eternal curse upon all of humanity.



IMO aversion is not the only result, obsession can occur just as easily (depending on your attitude towards sex).




Ya, i think it has a lot to do with protection. That would seem to be the most logical start for such traditions.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14623021 - 06/16/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Damn I am such a condecending jerk when people attack my intellect..

Why do you think that is?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14623254 - 06/16/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Damn I am such a condecending jerk when people attack my intellect..

Why do you think that is?




I don't know, I guesse it has to do with discouraging others from judging me so quickly?

I don't know. I don't really have anger issues with people who have known me a long time, even when they insult me. I do have issues with this place where people can and do base their reactions to you based on how you treat others.

It really does encourage others.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14623613 - 06/16/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Is it really important if others judge you or not, even if incorrectly? Why?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14624297 - 06/16/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Is it really important if others judge you or not, even if incorrectly? Why?





It's not really a matter of if, but who.

And this is because human beings are different, we need different things and as providers of these things, we don't have a love to provide all of them equally, hence the need for compromise.

So in some relations, judgement is very important to the stability and your happiness, to keep in mind and in others it is useless.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14624476 - 06/16/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

OK,

How's this, I misread your post in my haste to disagree due to your harsh words towards a poster I respect. I was wrong.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14624905 - 06/16/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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OK,

How's this, I misread your post in my haste to disagree due to your harsh words towards a poster I respect. I was wrong.




I like and very much appreciate it. Give's me reason to feel more fluid while posting here.

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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14624975 - 06/16/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

good


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14626087 - 06/17/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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good




Define 'good'.

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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14626662 - 06/17/11 04:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Define 'good'.




A subjective observation pertaining to general desirability, satisfaction, approval, moral virtue, and adherence to qualities required for a specific function.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14626763 - 06/17/11 05:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
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good




Define 'good'.

:evil:





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