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Ziggy-Shr00mdust said: I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding, if the child thinks it's okay to fondle himself, his siblings, and his parents he may go on to think it's okay to have sex with them (?) it's pretty speculative though.
The penis is a symbol of our animalistic nature, and in turn its destiny, both as a sexual organ, in the sense that it relates to our primal urge to procreate, and as vulnerable extremity that excretes urine ( something that is beyond our control, as is an erection ).
This seems to be the most likely answer I have heard.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
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No aversion here. Quite the opposite. Hate to run from a predator with those.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: andrewss]
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: deranger]
#14618641 - 06/15/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You have never been drunk and desperate at closing time?
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Ziggy-Shr00mdust said: It can be used to control people but it is also inherent in all of us. As I above said it makes evolutionary sense for us to have sexual anxieties.
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I believe all religions were created by a group of intelligent and wealthy rulers who had a deep understanding of psychology
I'm sorry but it seems like you need to look into the history of the abrahamic religions in relation the post-Aristotelian thinking, you're not necessarily wrong, but that's a gross exaggeration. The facts do exist, the library is your friend.

You do realize that you are talking about history here?
Do you know who writes history?
The victors, the powerful, those who have power and intend on keeping it through any means.
I would laugh at the idea that greek ideology surrounding sexuality could possibly have affected the biblical teachings.
If you don't know why, you really need to quit debating history because that is a simple thing to understand even at a beginners level.
There are many other reasons why I think the bible was created intentionally by a group of wealthy elite.
But thats another thread. I have actually made a thread on it, I might do it again with some more interesting findings.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
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Ziggy-Shr00mdust said: I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding, if the child thinks it's okay to fondle himself, his siblings, and his parents he may go on to think it's okay to have sex with them (?) it's pretty speculative though.
The penis is a symbol of our animalistic nature, and in turn its destiny, both as a sexual organ, in the sense that it relates to our primal urge to procreate, and as vulnerable extremity that excretes urine ( something that is beyond our control, as is an erection ).
Why would not having healthy kids have anything to do with survival, if evolution has not been proven to be existent for procreation/survival? Regardless, do realize that even if in-breeding occurs there is still a 50 % chance of having a perfectly healthy baby, right?
That is a huge chance that it will occur and it probably did end up occurring, healthy babies can arise from incest.
I think the problem lies in your assumption that sexuality is a drive to procreation.
Nowhere has science proven yet that it exists this way in humans. In other animals it has to some extent, but not in human beings at all.
Unless you can show me where, your claim is unacceptable and if you still accepted you are accepting it on blind faith.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14621025 - 06/16/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would laugh at the idea that greek ideology surrounding sexuality could possibly have affected the biblical teachings.
Why? Prove your case or stfu. Links would be helpful.
If you don't know why, you really need to quit debating history because that is a simple thing to understand even at a beginners level.
Bullshit, tell us why in detail or stfu.
There are many other reasons why I think the bible was created intentionally by a group of wealthy elite.
We're waiting.
Do you know who writes history?
Guys like you?
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
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Let's keep things civil, this could turn ugly.
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Do you know who writes history?
The victors, the powerful, those who have power and intend on keeping it through any means.
You're right, but in that case where are you getting your ideas from?
Although there are many books available on the subject of Christianity and Islam adopting, and indeed propagating the Greek scientific and philosophical method ( one of the few good things that those religions have done for humanity )you can also simply look into the history of each and see for yourself how they affected each other.
Understanding of the human mind was fragmented and philosophy was focused mostly on metaphysical questions about experience, and not so much about society.
I confess that I don't know a great deal about this, and a short weekend of reading would give you a better understanding that I have.
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It's already turned imo. To belittle a post and then provide no evidence as to why is weak at best.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14621342 - 06/16/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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To be fair I did patronize AlphaFalfa a bit and the may have been unnecessary.
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Not a very good instigator dude. Work on this obvious flaw in your debate skills.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
#14621597 - 06/16/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

You guys are smart, I'll let you guys realize on your own why a society that accepted pedestry, homosexuality and a variety of sexual lifestyles, did not have a moral influence on the sexuality proposed to individuals reading bible!
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Do you know who writes history?
The victors, the powerful, those who have power and intend on keeping it through any means.
You're right, but in that case where are you getting your ideas from?
It doesn't take a historical genius to realize that history is always recorded by the wealthy elite. What you may not yet realize is that history and culture of an entire culture can be wiped out within a few generations.
Take the haiti aboriginee's. The spaniards, my anscestors, wiped out a complete tribal culture within two generations by; taking control of education and killing the adults, then allowing a new generation of religiously indoctrinated individuals to procreate.
Although there are many books available on the subject of Christianity and Islam adopting, and indeed propagating the Greek scientific and philosophical method ( one of the few good things that those religions have done for humanity )you can also simply look into the history of each and see for yourself how they affected each other.
I would be open to the idea that some christian morals were influenced by greek thinking but I would laugh at the idea that it influenced sexual thinking in the bible.
Understanding of the human mind was fragmented and philosophy was focused mostly on metaphysical questions about experience, and not so much about society.
I confess that I don't know a great deal about this, and a short weekend of reading would give you a better understanding that I have.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

You guys are smart, I'll let you guys realize on your own why a society that accepted pedestry, homosexuality and a variety of sexual lifestyles, did not have a moral influence on the sexuality proposed to individuals reading bible!
In other words I was right about you and you can't back your claims.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
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i think it was originally out of respect.
then out of fear.
then out of jealousy.
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: desert father]
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desert father said: i think it was originally out of respect.
then out of fear.
then out of jealousy.
Why do you think that?
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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
#14621967 - 06/16/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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alright, here's my shotty explanation of my thought haha
i believe that the genitals in times before us had been better understood, more well respected, and held in higher regard (not that they are not now, these are very broad generalizations). by this i mean that there was a much greater need and feel for reproduction, in the sense that survival was more of a challenge then.
when survival had been reduced to a trade (trade money or something of value for food/water), reproduction and the way people looked at it might have changed. the change probably divided those with old beliefs and those with faith in consumerism. this divide caused a fear of walking naked holy men, or a fear of exposure. maybe this was developed because of a superiority complex that the consumers had developed over those with respect and need for regeneration.
jealousy could then be thrown into the mix because of a complete misunderstanding of old ways, and the fact that people worked together less to survive, so in turn they all developed subjective ideas of what was or wasn't appropriate, and had law and government to back up their ideas. they wanted people to be clothed in an attempt to cloak the fact that we are all animals. in a way i feel that clothes and such culture separated us from our instinctive selves, and this new form of individuality led to a misunderstanding of the nature of ourselves. these ideas could have led to men and women becoming jealous of one another because survival was no longer what it had been, hence the need to have laws and statutes that require clothes.
people naturally don't want to see how they are inferior to another human, so clothes and these laws were used to hide their psychological insecurities, thus breeding jealousy out of fear, which had been bread out of ignorance or lack of understanding of the respect that our ancestors had for the genitals.
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No aversion here. Quite the opposite. Hate to run from a predator with those. 
dude, how fast do you think those guys could really run in pursuit of a victim? lol
i bet their nuts hurt so bad just trying to move from bed to take a piss, never mind chase anybody down.
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