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    #14613076 - 06/14/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Why is it that most modern cultures have some aversion to to the genitals? What was it that caused this phenomenon to be so widespread?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613127 - 06/14/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Find answer in Becker's book Denial of Death. :wink:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613146 - 06/14/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My interpretation of your thread means the exposure thereof.

I guess, no matter the maturity level, people deep down, think: "he pisses with that"......or "he uses that for sex with a women"....Im not trying to poke fun at your thread....just state the obvious.  Why pissing or fucking are a hugh deal I guess goes with the mores of each society.

......why it is is so widespread in the US may have to do with the laws of "indecent exposure"...My parents taught me to be fully clothed in public....Im sure I am not in the minority.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613176 - 06/14/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes "The denial of death" is a must read if you are even slightly interested in this sort of thing... In it Ernest Becker reviews the pos-Freudian views on child development, the concept of heroism, and the many manifestations of the fear of death.

I read it from cover to cover in a few days and still return to it regularly, which is unusual for such a technical and often difficult book.

It's also a great introduction to psychoanalysis in general.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14613195 - 06/14/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Find answer in Becker's book Denial of Death. :wink:





dont say anymore !


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14613239 - 06/14/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes "The denial of death" is a must read if you are even slightly interested in this sort of thing... In it Ernest Becker reviews the pos-Freudian views on child development, the concept of heroism, and the many manifestations of the fear of death.

I read it from cover to cover in a few days and still return to it regularly, which is unusual for such a technical and often difficult book.

It's also a great introduction to psychoanalysis in general.





I knew it.  I could tell from your past posts that you had likely read it. :satansmoking:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613346 - 06/14/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Why is it that most modern cultures have some aversion to to the genitals? What was it that caused this phenomenon to be so widespread?




if society never covered them up to such an extent in the first place, would that aversion exist?

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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: deranger]
    #14613355 - 06/14/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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deranger said:
Quote:

iThink said:
Why is it that most modern cultures have some aversion to to the genitals? What was it that caused this phenomenon to be so widespread?




if society never covered them up to such an extent in the first place, would that aversion exist?




Of course not, because if the aversion existed they would just cover them up.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14613379 - 06/14/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Without the threat of a misdemeanor, would you stroll through the mall with a swinging dick?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14613405 - 06/14/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I knew it.  I could tell from your past posts that you had likely read it. :satansmoking:




:datass: You got me!

That post was inspired more by satre than anything but the context was taken from the denial of death and escape from evil.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14613867 - 06/14/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Haven't read Escape from Evil.  Is it worth it and in a nutshell how is it different from Denial of Death? Becker said of Denial of Death that it was his first truly mature work.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Icelander]
    #14615305 - 06/15/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

because they distract

better to



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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14616958 - 06/15/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe it has to do with protection. Perhaps males first started doing it as a means of protection, and when this became the norm, it began to be viewed as rude to not cover up.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14617000 - 06/15/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Genitals are a symbol of the finitude of the flesh, as well as the anus, vomit, menstruation, feces etc...

Another more tangible reason is that children have a natural curiosity about their own genitals and especially those of their parents, but are generally discouraged from touching themselves, other children and obviously their parents. This repressed curiosity then manifests itself as an anxiety.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14617032 - 06/15/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Genitals are a symbol of the finitude of the flesh, as well as the anus, vomit, menstruation, feces etc...

Another more tangible reason is that children have a natural curiosity about their own genitals and especially those of their parents, but are generally discouraged from touching themselves, other children and obviously their parents. This repressed curiosity then manifests itself as an anxiety.




But why was touching of others' genitals first looked down upon? Also, could you explain how a penis symbolizes the "finitude of the flesh"?


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14617131 - 06/15/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Ziggy-Shr00mdust said:
Genitals are a symbol of the finitude of the flesh, as well as the anus, vomit, menstruation, feces etc...

Another more tangible reason is that children have a natural curiosity about their own genitals and especially those of their parents, but are generally discouraged from touching themselves, other children and obviously their parents. This repressed curiosity then manifests itself as an anxiety.



:thumbup:


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744] * 2
    #14617137 - 06/15/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding, if the child thinks it's okay to fondle himself, his siblings, and his parents he may go on to think it's okay to have sex with them (?) it's pretty speculative though.

The penis is a symbol of our animalistic nature, and in turn its destiny, both as a sexual organ, in the sense that it relates to our primal urge to procreate, and as vulnerable extremity that excretes urine ( something that is beyond our control, as is an erection ).


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14617556 - 06/15/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It was a way to control people emotionally.

I believe all religions were created by a group of intelligent and wealthy rulers who had a deep understanding of psychology and realized that a being with sexually curious and abundant sexual desire, repressed, would culminate in a more self-concious individual who ultimately is much more susceptable to influence.

Mind you, genetil aversion would not work unless there is some aversion towards sexuality and sexual pleasure.

The irony is that the most self concious people are usually the most sexually repressed.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: 4896744]
    #14617610 - 06/15/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It can be used to control people but it is also inherent in all of us. As I above said it makes evolutionary sense for us to have sexual anxieties.

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I believe all religions were created by a group of intelligent and wealthy rulers who had a deep understanding of psychology




:laugh2:

I'm sorry but it seems like you need to look into the history of the abrahamic religions in relation the post-Aristotelian thinking, you're not necessarily wrong, but that's a gross exaggeration. The facts do exist, the library is your friend.


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Re: Societies' Aversion to Genitals [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14617675 - 06/15/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I imagine it's an evolutionary trait that prevents inbreeding,




this.


...or prevents freak accidents :awesurprise:

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