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OfflinePileusSonofGalt
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What do you think about a persons right to die?
    #14612861 - 06/14/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Mister Jack Kevorkian died recently, most will remember him by the moniker Doctor Death. Unfortunately he spent many of his last years falsely imprisoned for helping others and did not get to enjoy his life as he should have. I am wondering what do you folks think of this, why should a person not be allowed to end their own life when they want too do so?


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: PileusSonofGalt] * 1
    #14612907 - 06/14/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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why should a person not be allowed to end their own life when they want too do so?




The individual's right is presumed and it takes compelling evidence to justify denying it (rather than the opposite as your post alludes to).


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14612939 - 06/14/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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why should a person not be allowed to end their own life when they want too do so?




The individual's right is presumed and it takes compelling evidence to justify denying it (rather than the opposite as your post alludes to).




I would agree that it is up to the individual, I am trying to understand why so many in this country oppose this and are ok with people such as Jack going to prison for helping someone.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14612941 - 06/14/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The individual's right is presumed and it takes compelling evidence to justify denying it (rather than the opposite as your post alludes to).




Many of Kevorkian's patient's left written permission for the doc to euthanize them (signed by witnesses and in later cases notarized) that were largely ignored by the courts.  Personally, I think the gov't wants to control every aspect of our lives, even our deaths must be under their control as well.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612961 - 06/14/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Even in states with "right to die" legislation on the books, it only covers terminal patients.  Healthy people aren't allowed to die without permission.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: PileusSonofGalt] * 1
    #14612964 - 06/14/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Easy, they should be able do what they choose. I don't understand why this is a tough issue for so many people. Is it religion? Can't only be that. Maybe it makes people nervous about their own mortality?


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14613121 - 06/14/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Even in states with "right to die" legislation on the books, it only covers terminal patients.  Healthy people aren't allowed to die without permission.




I didn't know that.  That sucks, well, where to I get permission to die? 

Why is suicide illegal for that matter?


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14613171 - 06/14/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Prescription only... shouldn't be something to go find a way out of a just shitty situation


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14613185 - 06/14/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Easy, they should be able do what they choose. I don't understand why this is a tough issue for so many people. Is it religion? Can't only be that. Maybe it makes people nervous about their own mortality?




I think that is a huge contributor. Everyone is so scared of their own death, that they don't like the idea of allowing people to stop treading water. They would rather deny the unpleasantness and inherent lack of meaning in life, and attempt to carry on like everything is ok.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14613188 - 06/14/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Prescription only... shouldn't be something to go find a way out of a just shitty situation




Why shouldn't you be allowed to use it as a way out of a "shitty situation"?


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14613201 - 06/14/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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PileusSonofGalt said:
Mister Jack Kevorkian died recently, most will remember him by the moniker Doctor Death. Unfortunately he spent many of his last years falsely imprisoned for helping others and did not get to enjoy his life as he should have. I am wondering what do you folks think of this, why should a person not be allowed to end their own life when they want too do so?





I think it's more about should you be able to get assistance in killing yourself.

But I'm in favor.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: 4896744]
    #14613225 - 06/14/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Because lots of people hit some real tough times and there no reason to let them just run and end it irrationally, maybe all fucked up on drugs or something.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14613265 - 06/14/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Because lots of people hit some real tough times and there no reason to let them just run and end it irrationally, maybe all fucked up on drugs or something.




People should be allowed to end it for any and all reasons. No-one should be allowed to interfere in what must be a very personal choice.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14613282 - 06/14/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

People already do that though. By allowing the right to die you take out government interference. For instance, a patient can be totally rational, but once they state they are suicidal I no longer need their expressed consent to transport them to a hospital. IF the patient refuses they are restrained and taken anyway. It can be a tool to save someones life but at the same time I see people faking suicidal emotion just so they get a month free living at the hospital. Sounds fucked up but true story.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14613313 - 06/14/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ShroomyJohn said:
Because lots of people hit some real tough times and there no reason to let them just run and end it irrationally, maybe all fucked up on drugs or something.




Why would ending your life be irrational? What objective reason is there to continue living?


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14613323 - 06/14/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

All I was answering was the OP.  Its just what I believe. Some people just need to be talked through some shitty, fixable situation.  You should have the right, nobody should stop you, but at least slow it down maybe show that it may not be the best choice.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14613341 - 06/14/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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All I was answering was the OP.  Its just what I believe. Some people just need to be talked through some shitty, fixable situation.  You should have the right, nobody should stop you, but at least slow it down maybe show that it may not be the best choice.




What objective reason do you have for living being the "best" choice? You do realize that choices are made for subjective reasons don't you? Is it not possible that someone may actually prefer death to continued living? Why do you want to impose you own preference on others?


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: 4896744]
    #14613424 - 06/14/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think you're looking too deep into what I've said.  If you want to end it, get a gun. If you want a medical procedure or pill get a prescription.  Either way if you want to die you will have the right to, but if you're so sure you want to do it, and do it humanely, you should be able to sit down and discuss it.  I'm not going to change my stance because of some overly complicated interpretation of my view.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14613735 - 06/14/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

> If you want to end it, get a gun.

I disagree.  Guns leave a huge mess for somebody else to clean up.  And if you screw up, the rest of us end up paying to take care of the vegetable left behind.


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Re: What do you think about a persons right to die? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14613806 - 06/14/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I think you're looking too deep into what I've said.  If you want to end it, get a gun. If you want a medical procedure or pill get a prescription.  Either way if you want to die you will have the right to, but if you're so sure you want to do it, and do it humanely, you should be able to sit down and discuss it.  I'm not going to change my stance because of some overly complicated interpretation of my view.




Is your argument really that my interpretation was too "complicated"? I thought it was pretty straightforward.


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