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Seriously Anonymous?
    #14611476 - 06/14/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know, I just think if I had access to a network with the resources, knowledge, and technology as Anonymous, I would do more with it then call for the Fed chair to resign. 



Can you say 'wasted effort"?  Good, I knew you could.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14611549 - 06/14/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wasted effort sure. Maybe more people will be aware of the problems with fractional reserve banking. What would you do if you had their resources?


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14611600 - 06/14/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know, maybe they're talking a big game about what they know, and who's down.  I would think in this day and age (again I may just be ignorant) that a systematic attack on the very machines that perpetuate the bureaucracy can be carried out (in much the same way the Wobblies of old sabotaged the factory machines).  I just can't see any direct affect of Anonymous's "campaign" anywhere in my day to day.

I don't know, it seems like a big effort for zero results.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14611683 - 06/14/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know, maybe they're talking a big game about what they know, and who's down.  I would think in this day and age (again I may just be ignorant) that a systematic attack on the very machines that perpetuate the bureaucracy can be carried out (in much the same way the Wobblies of old sabotaged the factory machines).  I just can't see any direct affect of Anonymous's "campaign" anywhere in my day to day.

I don't know, it seems like a big effort for zero results.



http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=11156

Hopefully they will be well cornholed in a nice Turkish prison.  You want to vandalize the system?  Go ahead.  Then take the cock like a man when you get busted.  Enjoy.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14611738 - 06/14/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

so why dont we just kill them? problem solved, jesus.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14611776 - 06/14/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There are far better and legal way's to change the system than destruction. All this will do is cause a bigger crackdown on the net. With the way they go about things, they are giving reason to add more state power, and contributing to the thing they despise.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: love2shpongleIRL] * 1
    #14611787 - 06/14/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There are far better and legal way's to change the system than destruction.





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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14611806 - 06/14/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

He was a little coarse in his statement, but he's right. For instance, I want drugs to be legal, but if I get arrested with them I'm not gonna blame the system. I fully understand the implication of my actions and that includes accepting any punishment. Don't like the laws? Change the law, but don't bitch about it if you're caught and punished.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14611824 - 06/14/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Simply making people aware of the situtation at hand. Social change is slow, but all you have to do is look at public opinion of something like cannabis legalization to see that the paradigm is slowly shifting.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14611857 - 06/14/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it's tough and no one has the answers. How often in history has there been sudden massive shifts in the way things operate? I don't know about you, but I have a pretty good life in this country. Yes, there a bunch of things that if I could change them right now I would. That isn't going to happen though. All I can do is live my life the best I can and try to make people aware of issues that are important to me.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14611964 - 06/14/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Turkish prisons suck.  Turkey sucks.  But I've been to prison, but not for vandalizing the system, no I questioned it and got a 18 month sentence for inciting to riot.  Does that scare me into compliance?  No.  Made me cagey though. 

I like the idea of slowly changing people's minds with information, but when does taking one's time turn to wasting one's time? 


Hey Zappa, its been my experience that only the willing, and the bitch, get raped in prison.  Which one would you be?

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14611987 - 06/14/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Turkish prisons suck.  Turkey sucks.  But I've been to prison, but not for vandalizing the system, no I questioned it and got a 18 month sentence for inciting to riot.  Does that scare me into compliance?  No.  Made me cagey though. 

I like the idea of slowly changing people's minds with information, but when does taking one's time turn to wasting one's time? 


Hey Zappa, its been my experience that only the willing, and the bitch, get raped in prison.  Which one would you be?




:rofl2:Only retards and psychos go to prison.  Which one are you?


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14611995 - 06/14/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You just have to know a lost cause when you see one. For me, I subtly bring up things and try to show my perspective on issues. Changing a mind here or there may not seem like a big deal, but collectively its huge. By being violent and destructive you empower the system and only cause pain for yourself.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14612046 - 06/14/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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love2shpongleIRL said: By being violent and destructive you empower the system and only cause pain for yourself.




I can agree with about halfway here.  Its like recognizing a lost cause, when you don't incite violence and destruction for the sake of violence and destruction, but for a higher purpose.  Example, if the bomb had not been dropped (twice) on Japan during WWII, the war would have lasted much longer and cost more lives.  Did you know that during WWII, not a single Japanese unit surrendered throughout the entire conflict?

Since all authority stems from violence, by allowing only the system to be violent we empower the system indefinitely.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612072 - 06/14/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Since all authority stems from violence, by allowing only the system to be violent we empower the system indefinitely.



One can only hope so.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612084 - 06/14/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I just think if I had access to a network with the resources, knowledge, and technology as Anonymous, I would do more with it then call for the Fed chair to resign




Do you fully understand what Anonymous is?

You do have the resources, knowledge, and technology of Anonymous, because it is everyone and anyone. If you call yourself Anon, you are one. If you think this is a wasted effort, by all means, do something bigger and better.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: whiteelephant]
    #14612141 - 06/14/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:
You're right, I didn't really understand what Anonymous is. 
I don't really believe in fighting the system much these days anyway.  I more ignore it as much as I can, make the system fight me.  Do you ever find that people try really hard to ignore you when you're in the room?

Zappa, explain yourself old man.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612164 - 06/14/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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:thumbup:
You're right, I didn't really understand what Anonymous is. 
I don't really believe in fighting the system much these days anyway.  I more ignore it as much as I can, make the system fight me.  Do you ever find that people try really hard to ignore you when you're in the room?

Zappa, explain yourself old man.



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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14612180 - 06/14/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

beware the falsely anonymous. no one shall be anonymous as a crackdown on "their" pseudo revolution.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612192 - 06/14/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You need to allow the system to be violent when appropriate. That's what government is, force through the barrel of a gun. Do I think the federal government's to involved in everything, yes. Do I wish for government's role to be reduced to the powers delegated by the constitution and no bullshit over interpretation of the commerce clause, yes.It took a while to get where we are now and it is going to take a while to get where we need to be. IMO, by being violent you give reason to the government to respond in kind.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612205 - 06/14/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

In my opinion thats maturity. It may seem like sticking your head in the sand but being all angsty isn't gunna change a thing.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14612233 - 06/14/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see what change has to do with angst. Sticking your head in the sand isn't maturity, it's willful ignorance.

Anonymous has roots in inane childish pranks and has grown to involve themselves in far more serious matters as well as inane childish pranks.



This video gives some idea of what the idea of Anonymous is. I personally haven't participated in many of their activities, I find the idea perfectly fascinating.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: whiteelephant]
    #14612264 - 06/14/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

anonymous the group is not anonymous and is controlled opposition. don't follow them into the abyss. counter intelligence programs are the norm.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: whiteelephant]
    #14612320 - 06/14/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps I should have been clearer. What I meant by angst is, think of the actions people commit when they feel this way. It certainly doesn't further your agenda. I didn't mean willfull ignorance. Be politicaly aware, attempt to change the minds of those around you, but don't be violent and all in your face about it. linkamathingy

I wouldn't go as far to say controlled opposition, just usefull. Those are the things you have to keep in mind when acting out.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14612404 - 06/14/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh my bad.

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LisonAlGaib said:

Since all authority stems from violence, by allowing only the system to be violent we empower the system indefinitely.



One can only hope so.




Why would you hope so?

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612478 - 06/14/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"The system", which you seem to disdain, has provided you with the freest and easiest life in the history of mankind.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14612716 - 06/14/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Agreed.
However, that's the problem.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612742 - 06/14/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The only thing problematic is that it has nurtured a generation of brats who don't appreciate it.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14612787 - 06/14/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hard to appreciate when you gotta look over your shoulder constantly from getting murdered or robbed by your fellow people

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14612790 - 06/14/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Agreed.
However, that's the problem.




WTF?


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The only thing problematic is that it has nurtured a generation of brats who don't appreciate it.




Exactly!


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14612813 - 06/14/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The only thing problematic is that it has nurtured a generation of brats who don't appreciate it.




Exactly.  Something given has no value.
I think I remember some dead, rich, white guy, saying that freedom isn't free that the cost must be repaid with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
Just like hard-working, self-made millionaires always seem to have obnoxious children.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14612899 - 06/14/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hell. Maybe a full on depression would do my generation good. It(regrettably) took me many years to appreciate how much luxury I am afforded on a daily basis. In my opinion, it just comes down to parenting. My parents gave me a childhood they never had and did I appreciate it at the time. Fuck no. Outside of the basics, my children will work for almost everything they want. Regardless of how much I currently make. Free shit just makes people wanna suck on the tit that much more.


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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14612922 - 06/14/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Our schools are always telling children about rights, with no lesson planned on responsibility.  You tell a child nothing but what people are expected to give them, and nothing about what is expected of them in return, you have just created a brat.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14613007 - 06/14/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The only thing problematic is that it has nurtured a generation of brats who don't appreciate it.




Exactly.  Something given has no value.
I think I remember some dead, rich, white guy, saying that freedom isn't free that the cost must be repaid with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
Just like hard-working, self-made millionaires always seem to have obnoxious children.



That is not my experience.  :shrug:  The children with a greater sense of government entitlement seem to come more from bum parents than rich ones.


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    #14613110 - 06/14/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can see your point.  Kids of poor parents are more likely to expect a gov't handout, but in my experience, the rich expect everyone else to serve them.  I just think it is an example, regardless of economic status, that not teaching your children their responsibility in this world, breeds ungrateful noncontributing brats.

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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14613500 - 06/14/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I can see your point.  Kids of poor parents are more likely to expect a gov't handout, but in my experience, the rich expect everyone else to serve them.  I just think it is an example, regardless of economic status, that not teaching your children their responsibility in this world, breeds ungrateful noncontributing brats.



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Re: Seriously Anonymous? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14613562 - 06/14/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Anonymous(the group) is not anonymous by naming themselves. they're a group of people promoting chaos over order.

anonymous:
without any name acknowledged, as that of author, contributor, or the like: an anonymous letter to the editor; an anonymous donation.

i feel i must warn people because so many misunderstand the group and advocate what they do, because of a cool movie they saw, all the while internet privacy is whittled away, in wait of a false flag meant to convince the masses of a need to destroy Anonymous(which they have confused with anonymous).


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