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bholzer
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
#14611280 - 06/14/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I assume a lot of you who reprimand this guy haven't been to the Other Drugs Discussion forum?
We may not agree with his decision to use heroin, but we should try to provide him with information.
I have never personally tried the combo, but if I did, I would eat the mushrooms first and then IV the heroin soon after I peak. What is your preferred ROA with the heroin?
Let me just say, for the record, that I disagree with heroin use. It isn't safe, and can cause trouble that isn't worth it. That said, I know that some heroin users handle their use responsibly. I hope you are one of those people.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14611291 - 06/14/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah man your just sidestepping the issue by comparing it to alcohol. The fact is the heroine is addictive as fuck and can suck your soul right out of you. Quit while your ahead. maybe a high dose of mushrooms without that crappy combo can help you realize how you need to turn your life around before its too late
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
#14611295 - 06/14/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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AcidStrippedMind said: Haha, heroin is definitely more dangerous than beer but I still believe it can be used recreationally. I use oxycodone/dilaudid/oxymorphone occasionally and it's just another drug(s) to me.
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drr said: Yeah nevermind people should be able to do whatever they want. Heroin just seems like a bad idea. It hits home; family, friends. Alcohol is very bad too, dont get me wrong. Both when used compulsively are dangerous, we can at least agree on that, right?
I still think it is a HUGE stretch calling heroin safer than beer of all things. Beer is refreshment, most of us have our first sip before we are teenagers. This is coming from somebody who lost a close family member to bud light almost exclusively, liver and kidney failure, so believe me, i know the dangers of beer. Its just that your thoughts on heroin are so clearly the skewed perspective of a user justifying.
Sorry i take back the drug snobbery i know better. I just personally dont want to get involved in it, at all.
Of course we can agree that both are very bad when used compulsively. I am sorry if I came off sounding like a user justifying, I probably should sound a bit less enthusiastic about heroin as I do believe that all addictive substances tend to create more suffering in mankind then they relieve.
However, I don't think my thoughts on heroin vs alcohol are skewed. I am a former alcoholic, so I have a lot of firsthand experience with both substances and alcohol has been far, far more damaging to my body and to my life (due to the absolutely idiotic decisions I made under its influence). Heroin isn't exactly great either but it hasn't hurt me physically at all, nor has it made me do anything stupid other than spend money on it. I believe that believe that opiates are among the more benign drugs. Not as benign and mushrooms, nowhere near. But I mean out of the addictive drugs, if you have to get addicted to something you're better off being an opiate addict than a cocaine/meth/alcohol/benzo addict. In my opinion at least.
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love2shpongleIRL
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611298 - 06/14/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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While it is true, heroin is relativly safe, the same can not be said for street heroin. If you had pure diacetylmorphine I wouldn't see a problem other than the thoughts you might have during the experience(wtf am I doing). However, diphenhydramine and other antihistamine's are common cuts and im positive they would affect the charector of the experience. Whatever you choose to do, stay safe and really moderate your use.
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Doc_T
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611303 - 06/14/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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opiate_fan said: Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14611304 - 06/14/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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bholzer said: I assume a lot of you who reprimand this guy haven't been to the Other Drugs Discussion forum?
We may not agree with his decision to use heroin, but we should try to provide him with information.
I have never personally tried the combo, but if I did, I would eat the mushrooms first and then IV the heroin soon after I peak. What is your preferred ROA with the heroin?
Let me just say, for the record, that I disagree with heroin use. It isn't safe, and can cause trouble that isn't worth it. That said, I know that some heroin users handle their use responsibly. I hope you are one of those people.
I sniff my heroin and I have been responsible with it so far. I use it about twice a week and haven't ever gone above that level of use so I have no issues with withdrawal or anything.
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love2shpongleIRL said: While it is true, heroin is relativly safe, the same can not be said for street heroin. If you had pure diacetylmorphine I wouldn't see a problem other than the thoughts you might have during the experience(wtf am I doing). However, diphenhydramine and other antihistamine's are common cuts and im positive they would affect the charector of the experience. Whatever you choose to do, stay safe and really moderate your use.
I have access to hydromorphone, oxycodone and poppy tea as well so I could use any of those instead.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611313 - 06/14/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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defending recreational heroin use
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bholzer
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611322 - 06/14/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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opiate_fan said: But I mean out of the addictive drugs, if you have to get addicted to something you're better off being an opiate addict than a cocaine/meth/alcohol/benzo addict. In my opinion at least.
I tried to defend you, but this post I have to disagree with. I happen to think that opiate addiction is equally as detrimental as the drugs you mentioned when an addiction occurs. If you can use ANY of these drugs in moderation, then you have nothing to worry about. But that's where you start walking a fine line.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Doc_T]
#14611328 - 06/14/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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opiate_fan said: Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
Ok but that's not what I meant when I said the same type of responses. People are telling me that heroin is a terrible substance that should be illegal and should not be used at all. Would you say that about alcohol? If so, fine but I personally I don't think prohibition worked out too well.
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love2shpongleIRL
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So can booze, so what. It is all on the indivudual. For me, I would leave the other drugs alone and experience what the mushroom has to offer. If withdrawal is going to be a problem(and it shouldnt you said your safe) take the lowest possible dose to keep you well. I find alcohol brings down my trips. I have smoked opium on the tail end of a lsd trip and while nice, id rather trip and save those things for a more appropriate time.
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opiate_fan said: Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
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love2shpongleIRL said: So can booze, so what. It is all on the indivudual. For me, I would leave the other drugs alone and experience what the mushroom has to offer. If withdrawal is going to be a problem(and it shouldnt you said your safe) take the lowest possible dose to keep you well. I find alcohol brings down my trips. I have smoked opium on the tail end of a lsd trip and while nice, id rather trip and save those things for a more appropriate time.
Well I am all about experiencing what the mushroom has to offer on its own. I wouldn't have even considered combining it with anything my first time for instance. However, I trip a lot so I was simply curious about trying a combo one of these times. Generally though, I prefer one drug at a time.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611363 - 06/14/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love opiates man. You really have to be careful though man. It almost seems like your rationalizing addiction. If you dont mind me asking, what are you're usage patterns like?
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14611370 - 06/14/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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opiate_fan said: But I mean out of the addictive drugs, if you have to get addicted to something you're better off being an opiate addict than a cocaine/meth/alcohol/benzo addict. In my opinion at least.
I tried to defend you, but this post I have to disagree with. I happen to think that opiate addiction is equally as detrimental as the drugs you mentioned when an addiction occurs. If you can use ANY of these drugs in moderation, then you have nothing to worry about. But that's where you start walking a fine line.
Well you can disagree, but I think generally speaking being an opiate addict is a far better position to be in than being a benzo addict for instance. Read up on benzo withdrawal and then compare to opiate withdrawal and you'll see which is worse.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611385 - 06/14/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, benzo withdrawal can kill. You are missing the point though. Addiction, no matter what it is, should be avoided at all cost.
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opiate_fan
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opiate_fan said: Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
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love2shpongleIRL said: I love opiates man. You really have to be careful though man. It almost seems like your rationalizing addiction. If you dont mind me asking, what are you're usage patterns like?
I typically use heroin every third day so I always allow at least 2 days in between uses.
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bholzer
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Well you can disagree, but I think generally speaking being an opiate addict is a far better position to be in than being a benzo addict for instance. Read up on benzo withdrawal and then compare to opiate withdrawal and you'll see which is worse.
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love2shpongleIRL said: Addiction, no matter what it is, should be avoided at all cost.
But he's right, this is what I was getting at.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611420 - 06/14/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That will be enough to avoid physical withdrawal for now. One problem I see with frequent chippers is once every 3days becomes 2 witch becomes I'll only use at night so on and so forth.Me, I've used once a week for the last 5 years(with occasional month long abstinence). Most people don't have the will power for this though.
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Doc T, I love mixing beer with mushrooms, though not a lot, just one or two in the beginning, to wash them down, and ease the come up anxiety.
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love2shpongleIRL said: Yes, benzo withdrawal can kill. You are missing the point though. Addiction, no matter what it is, should be avoided at all cost.
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love2shpongleIRL said: That will be enough to avoid physical withdrawal for now. One problem I see with frequent chippers is once every 3days becomes 2 witch becomes I'll only use at night so on and so forth.Me, I've used once a week for the last 5 years(with occasional month long abstinence). Most people don't have the will power for this though.
yeah I know how once every three days becomes 2, then 1, etc. But the thing is, if that happens to me than I'll have to admit that I am addicted to it and realistically speaking I just can't afford a heroin addiction. I'm spending too much on it as it is even only using it once every three days, so I am thinking about taking a couple of weeks break.
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