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Xtensity
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What IS a bad trip?
#14611346 - 06/14/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is a bad trip persay? All my friends talk about them, how the littleness thing can ruin their shroom trips and such... but I don't get it. I figure I'm just an alien :p
For instance, with weed, out of all the weed I have smoked, it has never made me feel real good and comfortable, I just get more anxious. I, overall, am an anxious person. I used to have deep social anxiety but lately I've been like screw it, I don't care anymore what people think of me.
Well anyways, I got some concentrated psilocybin capsules(I am not even sure if this was shroom to be honest, it was my first shrooms, but the trip felt intensely like a shroom trip)
I had some odd feelings, got pretty emotional at some points, kinda irritable, but nothin' shook me. I was never startled by any thing that I saw.
Though later in the trip, I did get real real paranoid, only in a suspicious way, and I did have some thoughts about murderin' everyone at the party I was at. I was thinking, I wonder if I could go get some automatic weapons, kill all 40 people, and get away with it. I mean I knew it was fucked haha, but... idk really... I was trippin'.
Though, I was telling people around me about what I was expericing and they said I was panicking and freaking out because I was raising my voice, when really I was just getting pissed that people didn't understand I was enjoying myself. They said I was having a bad trip, though I was enjoying it? It was unpleasant, but it was awesome. Is this a bad trip lol?
I think my brain is wired in a fucked way, like I can never get joy out of smoking weed or something, I'm not sure.
This was my first time tripping shrooms, even though it was a psilocybin extract... what I am trying to figure out though, is what is a bad trip? Ask me questions about mine and I can tell you what I experienced... since I don't know off the top of my head?
I've seen friends get terrified and stuff during their trips, but these things didn't phase me. Terrifying things didn't really ruin my trip lol. Am I just a fucked up person :/? Sorry if it seems like I'm rambling, but I'm just trying to get to the bottom of my trip haha. Awesomeness.
Haha like, I was paranoid during it, though I figured it was just me being made more aware of what I'm already aware of. At one point in the night I was cruising with my friend who wasn't trippin, just stoned... and we found some mexican to race us on some street. We were racing but then dipped out, and he followed us. It was exhilerating, but I was paranoid about him getting us, though at the same time I was eager.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Xtensity]
#14611389 - 06/14/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, first off, if someone is selling a "concentrated psilocybin extract", they are probably lying. You may have had an RC of some sort. It sounds like you had some pretty fucked up thoughts, but we all think some weird things when we trip, so I can't judge. I've yelled at my friends (not in a mean way) when I was tripping on acid. I just thought I understood what was going on and they didn't, so I had to raise my voice to get them to listen. At least that's what I thought then. Of course I was tripping, but it happens.
Now to answer your question, a bad trip is anxiety that causes fear and paranoia that is the epitome of horror. At least in my experience. Everything is scary, and reality is shattered.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Xtensity]
#14611415 - 06/14/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have an opinion on this, but keep in mind I've never tripped off of anything. My view comes purely from reading things on this forum.
Imo,as long as you feel like you have learned something, or just are thankful you had the experience, then it is a good trip. Being confused and scared does not justify anything as a bad trip in my book.
This is just speculation, but I feel as if the term bad trip originated from some dumb teenagers who didnt get as "fucked up" as they were hoping for and took the shrooms for the wrong reasons in the first place anyhow.
Eitherway, sounds like you enjoyed yourself.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Yoohoo]
#14611501 - 06/14/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hm, well I was tripping with people who have done actual shrooms before, and they said it basically was shrooms. One of the side effects was I was aware of everyyyyyything. I saw everything. The social hierarchies and stuff between groups of people I saw. Though that could have just been me being made more aware of the paranoia and what I already knew. Anyways, I enjoyed it.
The thoughts I had while tripping were the same thoughts I have while sober... I was just more aware of my thoughts... and being more aware of my thoughts like that kept making me think that because of those thoughts, I am schizo, psychotic, and other shit when I'm sober... but I actually think I'm just a deranged individual who's a hypochondriac haha. I don't know :p
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Xtensity]
#14611525 - 06/14/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Xtensity said: Hm, well I was tripping with people who have done actual shrooms before, and they said it basically was shrooms. One of the side effects was I was aware of everyyyyyything. I saw everything. The social hierarchies and stuff between groups of people I saw. Though that could have just been me being made more aware of the paranoia and what I already knew. Anyways, I enjoyed it.
The thoughts I had while tripping were the same thoughts I have while sober... I was just more aware of my thoughts... and being more aware of my thoughts like that kept making me think that because of those thoughts, I am schizo, psychotic, and other shit when I'm sober... but I actually think I'm just a deranged individual who's a hypochondriac haha. I don't know :p
It may have been 4-aco-dmt, which has effects VERY similar to mushrooms. Similar enough to fool most people I would say. I also get extremely aware of social and business hierarchies when I trip. I think it's a very cool experience. Since you enjoyed it, I don't think it could be considered a "bad trip." The bad trip experience is subjective, and it's a bad trip if you say, "hey, I didn't enjoy that trip because was not fun, and I did not enjoy it at all."
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: bholzer]
#14611592 - 06/14/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm the kind of person who if I had to, I could cut off my arm, say that it was extremely painful and unpleasant, but it was fun. What does this mean? Bad, or good? Somethings wrong with my brain I think, I am able to like, and not like things, in an illogical sense, but it makes perfect sense to me. Just because I can.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Xtensity]
#14611752 - 06/14/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bad trips usually only happen when you don't take enough and you're stuck between ego death and self control. That's the only times I've had a bad trip before.
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Xtensity said: I'm the kind of person who if I had to, I could cut off my arm, say that it was extremely painful and unpleasant, but it was fun. What does this mean? Bad, or good? Somethings wrong with my brain I think, I am able to like, and not like things, in an illogical sense, but it makes perfect sense to me. Just because I can.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Yoohoo]
#14612508 - 06/14/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yoohoo said: I have an opinion on this, but keep in mind I've never tripped off of anything. My view comes purely from reading things on this forum.
Imo,as long as you feel like you have learned something, or just are thankful you had the experience, then it is a good trip. Being confused and scared does not justify anything as a bad trip in my book.
This is just speculation, but I feel as if the term bad trip originated from some dumb teenagers who didnt get as "fucked up" as they were hoping for and took the shrooms for the wrong reasons in the first place anyhow.
Eitherway, sounds like you enjoyed yourself. 
I've had hundreds of trips, and I would actually say that you are pretty dead on.
IMO if you don't come out with PTSD then it wasn't a bad trip. There's a big difference between having an unpleasant experience (ie. "not having a good time") versus being thrown into the abyss of eternal terror and despair.
The term "bad trip" gets thrown around a lot by people who either have never had one themselves or never seen somebody else having one, and they end up trivializing the potential psychological dangers of psychedelics.
For me, the trips that I treasure the most were very intense and difficult and full of unpleasant emotions because I feel like the end result was more valuable than just have a fun trip.
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Best bad acid trip story (has 2.2 million views on Youtube )
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: dwpineal]
#14612858 - 06/14/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no such thing as a bad trip. Its all in your head. You have good and bad thoughts and feelings. You are the one who defines them. But those thoughts about killing people is pretty fucked up.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Hacendado]
#14613014 - 06/14/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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My first shroom trip on 15g (wet) can be considered partly a bad trip. It all depends on you personally but I think the general "definition" of a bad trip is an experience in which you felt your sanity being threatened the experience is just plain....bad. What else can I say?
Watch some of "cyriak's" videos on YouTube and you'll get an idea of what a bad trip on LSD is like. I myself haven't taken LSD but I'm pretty sure his videos portray them pretty well. A bad trip on shrooms is more internal and less fractalized and visual like LSD.
Simply put: a bad trip is a bad experience. It sometimes makes you swear off hallucinogenics forever...though I have yet to meet someone like that.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: dwpineal]
#14613208 - 06/14/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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dwpineal said: Best bad acid trip story (has 2.2 million views on Youtube )
Sounds like some mad Ego trippin
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: heratogwea]
#14613259 - 06/14/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's difficult tripping and bad tripping.
At times, things can be overwhelming. You can be faced with bad thoughts.
However, the choice to BAD TRIP is yours alone. Bad trip means you freak out. I've had plenty of difficult moments in trips, but never a bad trip.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: heratogwea]
#14613329 - 06/14/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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heratogwea said:
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dwpineal said: Best bad acid trip story (has 2.2 million views on Youtube )
Sounds like some mad Ego trippin
This is the kind of story that gets into the media used as propaganda. "Kid at party high on LSD pulls out a knife and starts scaring people. He ends up running in circles in the street after tearing his friends door off it's hinges"
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Hacendado]
#14613757 - 06/14/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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A bad trip for me is having extreme feelings of anxiety and paranoia. When i was in the midst of a bad acid trip i seriously thought EVERYONE was out to get me. It seemed like everyone was giving me dirty looks and my mind was just filled with negative thoughts. When i told my friend we had to get out of public, we got in his car and were driving on the free way. As we were merging i kept seeing signs that said wrong way and i thought my friend was trying to kill us.
i'm yet to "integrate" this experience. i don't think i can take anything positive out of that to be honest. The bad trip came from the wrong set and setting from a dose i wasn't experienced with.
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Hacendado said: But those thoughts about killing people is pretty fucked up.
QFT. I feel that psychedelics such as acid and mushrooms can reveal yourself to..yourself. So if you are having thoughts about murdering people while you're tripping that might be a sign that you shouldn't trip. then again this advice must be taken with a grain of salt because its easy to think crazy thoughts when you are deep into the psychedelic experience
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Mr Jones]
#14613865 - 06/14/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are all kinds of bad trips. One time all I could imagine were worst case scenarios. Every thought that popped into my head quickly degenerated into its worst possible outcome. Extreme negativity, ultra sadness, and infinite misery. Imagine the most intensely euphoric high that you could ever feel and then contemplate its total opposite. Yep, bad trips are hell motherfucker. A never-ending hell and I never learned a fucking thing from them. Ever. No lessons, just an extended foray into torturous schizophrenic thinking.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: joemolloy]
#14613890 - 06/14/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: There are all kinds of bad trips. One time all I could imagine were worst case scenarios. Every thought that popped into my head quickly degenerated into its worst possible outcome. Extreme negativity, ultra sadness, and infinite misery. Imagine the most intensely euphoric high that you could ever feel and then contemplate its total opposite. Yep, bad trips are hell motherfucker. A never-ending hell and I never learned a fucking thing from them. Ever. No lessons, just an extended foray into torturous schizophrenic thinking.
This, it's like being trapped inside of your skull, and that small space is a personal hell.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: bholzer]
#14624615 - 06/16/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bad trips are no joke. Complete despair and sadness. Fear, terror. And worst of all, you can come out of it permanently affected. I know I did.
I suggest being completely comfortable with yourself. If you're shy, don't trip. If you're a nervous person, don't do it either. Make sure you're confident and you KNOW yourself. Make sure you don't think too deeply into life either.
I fear that if i ever tripped again, i'd go insane.
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Re: What IS a bad trip? [Re: Thuglife]
#14624777 - 06/16/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSD is almost impossible to have a bad trip on, I really don't see how people manage to do it. I mean the vibe of the drug is so positive, so energetic, magical and glorious. Everything is novel, great, funny, interesting, and full of life on LSD. I mean... if you run into a bad thought on acid, just acknowledge it, dwell in it for a minute or two, and then let it pass.
Honestly, the worst type of an acid trip I can imagine would be dosing when I was sleep deprived, or dosing in a bad set or setting. However, if these variables are appropriately addressed, and the LSD is used in a wise manner, I just can't see having a bad trip with LSD.
Mushrooms, I can understand peoples trips going in a dark direction, I've been down that road myself. Mushrooms in my opinion, are much more intense than LSD because they are a lot more confusing and they can throw you into turmoil very easily. Thought loops and negative thinking are very common in my mushroom trips. I don't really use them anymore for this reason.... I prefer LSD, 2C-E, DPT and LSA.
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the free thinker said: LSD is almost impossible to have a bad trip on, I really don't see how people manage to do it.
You just haven't eaten enough acid then...
I will say that LSD has less anxiety than shrooms... but the potential for a tour through hell is still there.
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