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Heroin plus shrooms
#14611091 - 06/14/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Has anyone tried this combo, or any opiate for that matter? I am thinking of giving it a shot. Would you guys suggest taking the heroin first and then the mush or the mush first?
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan] 1
#14611115 - 06/14/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the general consensus here is strongly AGAINST heroin. It really is a terrible substance. I wouldn't recommend doing it at all, let alone mixing it with a psychedelic.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan] 1
#14611128 - 06/14/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dont combine ur bad drugs with mushrooms. I dont even know why i reply to these threads but i just gotta call you guys out on how druggy/crackhead the shroomery gets. Damn. I thought it was the shroomery not the tweekery.
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Heroin sucks
Smoke meth instead
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Oasis182] 1
#14611138 - 06/14/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think heroin is a great substance. It helps me with my chronic pain issues and doesn't do near the damage to me physically that alcohol and meth do. What more could I ask for from a drug? The only downside is the expense. And why would I want to smoke meth instead? I am not a fan of being awake for days. Heroin fits into my lifestyle, meth does not.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611143 - 06/14/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The downside to heroin is the deadly addiction that has taken the lives of many great people. The fact that you haven't encountered that yet tells me you should quit while you're ahead.
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OregonChronic said: Dont combine ur bad drugs with mushrooms. I dont even know why i reply to these threads but i just gotta call you guys out on how druggy/crackhead the shroomery gets. Damn. I thought it was the shroomery not the tweekery.
wtf I was just here a week ago reading a lovely thread on growing poppies and producing opium in this very forum. Heroin is just an acetylized extract of opium. It comes from a plant, helps with pain, doesn't damage your body, etc. Why the hate?
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
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drr said: The downside to heroin is the deadly addiction that has taken the lives of many great people. The fact that you haven't encountered that yet tells me you should quit while you're ahead.
Alcohol has taken the lives of far more great people. Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I expected people on the shroomery to be more enlightened about drugs. Guess I was wrong.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Oasis182] 1
#14611153 - 06/14/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol. You people and looking down on certain drugs. Any drug can be harmful, know yourself, know your substance.
An opiate is an opiate IMO and some people like them.
I've heard good things mixing opiates with psychedelics but I haven't had any experience with it yet. I would imagine it would lessen the intensity of the trip if you did it before hand, or it seems like it could be useful for the come down so you could just nod out on the tail end of the trip. I'm sure more people here have experience with this.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611156 - 06/14/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everyone knows heroin is more dangerous than raw opium...
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan] 1
#14611160 - 06/14/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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drr said: The downside to heroin is the deadly addiction that has taken the lives of many great people. The fact that you haven't encountered that yet tells me you should quit while you're ahead.
Alcohol has taken the lives of far more great people. Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I expected people on the shroomery to be more enlightened about drugs. Guess I was wrong.
Right we went over this last night. That is because you can buy alcohol literally just about everywhere, legally.
Comparing heroin to beer is
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr] 1
#14611183 - 06/14/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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drr said: Everyone knows heroin is more dangerous than raw opium...
Yeah but it's sort of like comparing beer to liquor. Heroin is just more purified. As long as you're careful not to OD, it's not any worse for you than opium. Of course I would rather have opium but because heroin is easier to smuggle, I can only get heroin where I live.
But I don't IV and I prefer functional doses over uncontrollable nodding, so risk of over dose is pretty minimal for me, especially with my tolerance.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
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drr said: The downside to heroin is the deadly addiction that has taken the lives of many great people. The fact that you haven't encountered that yet tells me you should quit while you're ahead.
Alcohol has taken the lives of far more great people. Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I expected people on the shroomery to be more enlightened about drugs. Guess I was wrong.
Right we went over this last night. That is because you can buy alcohol literally just about everywhere, legally.
Comparing heroin to beer is 
Oh so because alcohol is legal it must be safer? I guess alcohol is safer than pot too.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
#14611195 - 06/14/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heroin shouldn't be used for any reason, lame post.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611201 - 06/14/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. Because alcohol is legal, more people have access to it, and therefore the statistics lookmuch bigger.
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Haha, heroin is definitely more dangerous than beer but I still believe it can be used recreationally. I use oxycodone/dilaudid/oxymorphone occasionally and it's just another drug(s) to me.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
#14611217 - 06/14/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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drr said: No. Because alcohol is legal, more people have access to it, and therefore the statistics lookmuch bigger.
That doesn't change the fact that heroin doesn't really damage your body at all, whereas alcohol does. I mean what are you trying to say? If you think that alcohol is not a dangerous drug on the level of heroin, you are in some serious denial. Even if heroin were legal, it would never cause the same devastation to society that alcohol causes because people on heroin are much less likely to commit crimes, beats their wives/kids, get into fights, commit murders and get in car accidents. They are too busy nodding out on the couch.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611246 - 06/14/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread is such a buzzkill.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
#14611251 - 06/14/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah nevermind people should be able to do whatever they want. Heroin just seems like a bad idea. It hits home; family, friends. Alcohol is very bad too, dont get me wrong. Both when used compulsively are dangerous, we can at least agree on that, right?
I still think it is a HUGE stretch calling heroin safer than beer of all things. Beer is refreshment, most of us have our first sip before we are teenagers. This is coming from somebody who lost a close family member to bud light almost exclusively, liver and kidney failure, so believe me, i know the dangers of beer. Its just that your thoughts on heroin are so clearly the skewed perspective of a user justifying.
Sorry i take back the drug snobbery i know better. I just personally dont want to get involved in it, at all.
Maybe in a perfect world, where people are free to use whichever substances they wish, and I could obtain ultra-pure heroin measured correctly, I would agree that it could be used about as safely as a bottle of vodka.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611279 - 06/14/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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psilocybinjunkie said: Heroin shouldn't be used for any reason, lame post.
not true...it could be used as a good medicine if one was hurt or something but the way OP mentions it in this thread and the way just about every other person who messes with heroin,...does it as a drug to get high and that is wrong.
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wtf I was just here a week ago reading a lovely thread on growing poppies and producing opium in this very forum. Heroin is just an acetylized extract of opium. It comes from a plant, helps with pain, doesn't damage your body, etc. Why the hate?
there is no hate...i just got kinda hostile vibe because i know a couple of friends who ruin their lives to heroin and blew $4,500 because of it....and he's 18....he now buys $10 sacks of chronic and is broke...
opiates are not meant to be used to get high but instead for medicinal purposes. i can see you use heroin recreationally and that will lead down the wrong path if you do. and lol...it does damage your body...mostly your immune system. and i imagine your heart. i live in a bad meth/heroin town so i hate both drugs with a passion.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
#14611280 - 06/14/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I assume a lot of you who reprimand this guy haven't been to the Other Drugs Discussion forum?
We may not agree with his decision to use heroin, but we should try to provide him with information.
I have never personally tried the combo, but if I did, I would eat the mushrooms first and then IV the heroin soon after I peak. What is your preferred ROA with the heroin?
Let me just say, for the record, that I disagree with heroin use. It isn't safe, and can cause trouble that isn't worth it. That said, I know that some heroin users handle their use responsibly. I hope you are one of those people.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14611291 - 06/14/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah man your just sidestepping the issue by comparing it to alcohol. The fact is the heroine is addictive as fuck and can suck your soul right out of you. Quit while your ahead. maybe a high dose of mushrooms without that crappy combo can help you realize how you need to turn your life around before its too late
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
#14611295 - 06/14/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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AcidStrippedMind said: Haha, heroin is definitely more dangerous than beer but I still believe it can be used recreationally. I use oxycodone/dilaudid/oxymorphone occasionally and it's just another drug(s) to me.
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drr said: Yeah nevermind people should be able to do whatever they want. Heroin just seems like a bad idea. It hits home; family, friends. Alcohol is very bad too, dont get me wrong. Both when used compulsively are dangerous, we can at least agree on that, right?
I still think it is a HUGE stretch calling heroin safer than beer of all things. Beer is refreshment, most of us have our first sip before we are teenagers. This is coming from somebody who lost a close family member to bud light almost exclusively, liver and kidney failure, so believe me, i know the dangers of beer. Its just that your thoughts on heroin are so clearly the skewed perspective of a user justifying.
Sorry i take back the drug snobbery i know better. I just personally dont want to get involved in it, at all.
Of course we can agree that both are very bad when used compulsively. I am sorry if I came off sounding like a user justifying, I probably should sound a bit less enthusiastic about heroin as I do believe that all addictive substances tend to create more suffering in mankind then they relieve.
However, I don't think my thoughts on heroin vs alcohol are skewed. I am a former alcoholic, so I have a lot of firsthand experience with both substances and alcohol has been far, far more damaging to my body and to my life (due to the absolutely idiotic decisions I made under its influence). Heroin isn't exactly great either but it hasn't hurt me physically at all, nor has it made me do anything stupid other than spend money on it. I believe that believe that opiates are among the more benign drugs. Not as benign and mushrooms, nowhere near. But I mean out of the addictive drugs, if you have to get addicted to something you're better off being an opiate addict than a cocaine/meth/alcohol/benzo addict. In my opinion at least.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611298 - 06/14/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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While it is true, heroin is relativly safe, the same can not be said for street heroin. If you had pure diacetylmorphine I wouldn't see a problem other than the thoughts you might have during the experience(wtf am I doing). However, diphenhydramine and other antihistamine's are common cuts and im positive they would affect the charector of the experience. Whatever you choose to do, stay safe and really moderate your use.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611303 - 06/14/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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opiate_fan said: Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: bholzer]
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bholzer said: I assume a lot of you who reprimand this guy haven't been to the Other Drugs Discussion forum?
We may not agree with his decision to use heroin, but we should try to provide him with information.
I have never personally tried the combo, but if I did, I would eat the mushrooms first and then IV the heroin soon after I peak. What is your preferred ROA with the heroin?
Let me just say, for the record, that I disagree with heroin use. It isn't safe, and can cause trouble that isn't worth it. That said, I know that some heroin users handle their use responsibly. I hope you are one of those people.
I sniff my heroin and I have been responsible with it so far. I use it about twice a week and haven't ever gone above that level of use so I have no issues with withdrawal or anything.
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love2shpongleIRL said: While it is true, heroin is relativly safe, the same can not be said for street heroin. If you had pure diacetylmorphine I wouldn't see a problem other than the thoughts you might have during the experience(wtf am I doing). However, diphenhydramine and other antihistamine's are common cuts and im positive they would affect the charector of the experience. Whatever you choose to do, stay safe and really moderate your use.
I have access to hydromorphone, oxycodone and poppy tea as well so I could use any of those instead.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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opiate_fan said: But I mean out of the addictive drugs, if you have to get addicted to something you're better off being an opiate addict than a cocaine/meth/alcohol/benzo addict. In my opinion at least.
I tried to defend you, but this post I have to disagree with. I happen to think that opiate addiction is equally as detrimental as the drugs you mentioned when an addiction occurs. If you can use ANY of these drugs in moderation, then you have nothing to worry about. But that's where you start walking a fine line.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Doc_T]
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opiate_fan said: Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
Ok but that's not what I meant when I said the same type of responses. People are telling me that heroin is a terrible substance that should be illegal and should not be used at all. Would you say that about alcohol? If so, fine but I personally I don't think prohibition worked out too well.
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So can booze, so what. It is all on the indivudual. For me, I would leave the other drugs alone and experience what the mushroom has to offer. If withdrawal is going to be a problem(and it shouldnt you said your safe) take the lowest possible dose to keep you well. I find alcohol brings down my trips. I have smoked opium on the tail end of a lsd trip and while nice, id rather trip and save those things for a more appropriate time.
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opiate_fan said: Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
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Well I am all about experiencing what the mushroom has to offer on its own. I wouldn't have even considered combining it with anything my first time for instance. However, I trip a lot so I was simply curious about trying a combo one of these times. Generally though, I prefer one drug at a time.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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I love opiates man. You really have to be careful though man. It almost seems like your rationalizing addiction. If you dont mind me asking, what are you're usage patterns like?
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: bholzer]
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I tried to defend you, but this post I have to disagree with. I happen to think that opiate addiction is equally as detrimental as the drugs you mentioned when an addiction occurs. If you can use ANY of these drugs in moderation, then you have nothing to worry about. But that's where you start walking a fine line.
Well you can disagree, but I think generally speaking being an opiate addict is a far better position to be in than being a benzo addict for instance. Read up on benzo withdrawal and then compare to opiate withdrawal and you'll see which is worse.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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Yes, benzo withdrawal can kill. You are missing the point though. Addiction, no matter what it is, should be avoided at all cost.
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I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
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I typically use heroin every third day so I always allow at least 2 days in between uses.
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Well you can disagree, but I think generally speaking being an opiate addict is a far better position to be in than being a benzo addict for instance. Read up on benzo withdrawal and then compare to opiate withdrawal and you'll see which is worse.
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love2shpongleIRL said: Addiction, no matter what it is, should be avoided at all cost.
But he's right, this is what I was getting at.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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That will be enough to avoid physical withdrawal for now. One problem I see with frequent chippers is once every 3days becomes 2 witch becomes I'll only use at night so on and so forth.Me, I've used once a week for the last 5 years(with occasional month long abstinence). Most people don't have the will power for this though.
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Doc T, I love mixing beer with mushrooms, though not a lot, just one or two in the beginning, to wash them down, and ease the come up anxiety.
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love2shpongleIRL said: Yes, benzo withdrawal can kill. You are missing the point though. Addiction, no matter what it is, should be avoided at all cost.
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yeah I know how once every three days becomes 2, then 1, etc. But the thing is, if that happens to me than I'll have to admit that I am addicted to it and realistically speaking I just can't afford a heroin addiction. I'm spending too much on it as it is even only using it once every three days, so I am thinking about taking a couple of weeks break.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan] 1
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If your doing heroin with or without shrooms and you are truly curious of the affects when combining the two, then go for it. Report back in with results
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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OregonChronic said: Dont combine ur bad drugs with mushrooms. I dont even know why i reply to these threads but i just gotta call you guys out on how druggy/crackhead the shroomery gets. Damn. I thought it was the shroomery not the tweekery.
wtf I was just here a week ago reading a lovely thread on growing poppies and producing opium in this very forum. Heroin is just an acetylized extract of opium. It comes from a plant, helps with pain, doesn't damage your body, etc. Why the hate?
"Doesn't Damage your body"
Read that out loud to yourself and think about all the problems Heroin can cause.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Yoohoo]
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The OP is asking a question, and a bunch of people on the forum won't change what he wants to do. Let's just answer the question and not pass judgment...
EDIT: then again, with something as dangerous as heroin, I guess it's fair that people are looking out for him.
I've combined percocet with mushrooms, and it kind of lessened the high for me, it felt less like a trip and more like a cozy high... Still fun but I feel like I didn't get all I could have out of the shrooms.
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With pure compounds, most opioids can be used for a lifetime without significant risks to health. Now, if you're referring to societal problems, that go's for all drugs. It is the user, not the drug, that causes problems.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Yoohoo]
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i almost garuntee that it is going to make him sit for awhile on heroin just thinking really psychedelicly hard about why does he do heroin or drugs at all for that matter. honestly...combining the two just might show you how pointless getting high is. and that drugs aren't needed for any kind of knowledge or thought. they just kinda highlight and "bring forth" whats already in your brain. think about this OP. especially during your trip.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14611551 - 06/14/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well you can disagree, but I think generally speaking being an opiate addict is a far better position to be in than being a benzo addict for instance. Read up on benzo withdrawal and then compare to opiate withdrawal and you'll see which is worse.
I've been through benzo withdrawal, I know it can suck. I know it can be more dangerous than opiate withdrawal.Quote:
love2shpongleIRL said: Addiction, no matter what it is, should be avoided at all cost.
But he's right, this is what I was getting at.
Yes I understand that. I guess my point would be this: We should judge how people use substances rather than judging them by which substances they use.
For example, who is doing more harm to themselves, someone who uses a bit of heroin once a month or someone who does nothing but smoke weed all day every day and blows off all their responsibilities?
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611559 - 06/14/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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opiate_fan said: Yes I understand that. I guess my point would be this: We should judge how people use substances rather than judging them by which substances they use.
For example, who is doing more harm to themselves, someone who uses a bit of heroin once a month or someone who does nothing but smoke weed all day every day and blows off all their responsibilities?
I could not agree more
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I think so too. Psychedelic's really helped me evaluate my use from a different perspective. They have been instrumental in helping me keep everything in check.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14611576 - 06/14/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yup, he was spot on with that one.
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oh bullshit. once a month heroin? i call complete bullshit. you will get addicted before you know it. this isnt something im gonna argue either, let time do the talking.
and weed is a healer. heroin is an extremely addictive pain killer that makes you SICK. have fun with that logic... i say fuck heroin.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611598 - 06/14/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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opiate_fan said: I think heroin is a great substance. It helps me with my chronic pain issues and doesn't do near the damage to me physically that alcohol and meth do. What more could I ask for from a drug? The only downside is the expense. And why would I want to smoke meth instead? I am not a fan of being awake for days. Heroin fits into my lifestyle, meth does not.
While I can certainly sympathize with the chronic pain side of things; been before, I certainly wouldn't recommend mixing psychedelics with your pain meds, nor would I recommend heroin as your pain med.
There must be a local pain clinic that can assist you in dealing with what you're going through.
It's possible that psychedelics might be part of the solution, but without the heroin.
Just my $0.02 worth.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: LanLord]
#14611623 - 06/14/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Going back to the chronic pain, there are other options. I won't preach against opiates, because they can be great for treating pain, but try to talk to a doctor. Maybe work on getting some transdermal fentanyl?
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sounds like a good time.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Oasis182]
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Oasis182 said: I think the general consensus here is strongly AGAINST heroin. It really is a terrible substance. I wouldn't recommend doing it at all, let alone mixing it with a psychedelic.
i did opium with shrooms and it was AWWWWWWWESOME!! but thats just me and i'm not suggewsting you do it but from my experience it was intense but you get a real sickening feeling the next morning
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I plan to see a doctor, I just doubt they will actually prescribe me anything because my condition is really hard to document doesn't show up on x-ray,e tc. Also, I can't take hydrocodone for some reason, it makes me sick. I just don't see a doctor giving me any decent opiates. Quote:
LSDilocybin said: oh bullshit. once a month heroin? i call complete bullshit. you will get addicted before you know it. this isnt something im gonna argue either, let time do the talking.
and weed is a healer. heroin is an extremely addictive pain killer that makes you SICK. have fun with that logic... i say fuck heroin.
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I had a lot more trouble controlling my marijuana use than heroin. Just saying. I liked the marijuana high a lot better too.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611704 - 06/14/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why are you sick and whats seems to be the problem. if drugs aren't helping why take more drugs
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Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but you have no idea what you're talking about. For me, opiates are no more addictive mentally then cannabis or alcohol. Cannabis isn't always a healer, I once had a patient that had a myocardial infarction with an overdose of an edible(to be fair he was already a cardiac patient). Like I said, I have used this way for five years. Haven't you ever met someone who smoked the tar out of their pipes or didn't have enough gas to drive because they bought a bag of cannabis. That seem's like addiction to me. There are destructive drug users in every catagory. Legalize everything and encourage people to use safer drugs, but dont act all high and mighty because in your mind you make a distiction between your use and other drug use.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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If you don't mind what is your condition? Are you sure the problems you're experiencing aren't psychosomatic?
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When I was still using OC, I took a small amount (2g~) of mushrooms about 1 hr after blowing down. It felt like it calmed the trip a lot. It seemed much more mellow than usual, I felt more faded than tripping. Idk, heroin and OC aren't exactly the same, though, so you're experience may differ.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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OregonChronic said: Dont combine ur bad drugs with mushrooms. I dont even know why i reply to these threads but i just gotta call you guys out on how druggy/crackhead the shroomery gets. Damn. I thought it was the shroomery not the tweekery.
wtf I was just here a week ago reading a lovely thread on growing poppies and producing opium in this very forum. Heroin is just an acetylized extract of opium. It comes from a plant, helps with pain, doesn't damage your body, etc. Why the hate?
Seriously bro! Fuckin hypocrites right?
On topic, I'd imagine it would be more pleasant than a shroom trip without heroin! I would suggest doing it right around the 45-60 min mark, when the shroomygoomys start comin along. I once did a fat line of cocaine right after the comeup of mushrooms and it was the most euphoric experience of my life. The comedown from the coke was exceptionally harsh however whilst bemushroomed so I'd personally want enough to keep me up until the psychedelics wear off.
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OregonChronic said: i almost garuntee that it is going to make him sit for awhile on heroin just thinking really psychedelicly hard about why does he do heroin or drugs at all for that matter. honestly...combining the two just might show you how pointless getting high is. and that drugs aren't needed for any kind of knowledge or thought. they just kinda highlight and "bring forth" whats already in your brain. think about this OP. especially during your trip.
I thought long and hard about why I use heroin on my last mushroom trip. The conclusion I came to was not much different than the conclusion I come to sober. I use it because it relieves pain and makes me feel better.Quote:
love2shpongleIRL said: If you don't mind what is your condition? Are you sure the problems you're experiencing aren't psychosomatic?
My problem is constant fairly extreme pain/ache in my head plus ringing in my ears brought on from benzo use. I was prescribed benzos a couple of years, got off them two years ago and developed these "withdrawal symptoms". They have never gone away or improved much and basically have me suicidal at this point it is so painful. I highly doubt any doctors will help me, they usually deny that its even possible for benzos to cause this.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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When I got off of lexapro and alprazolam the withdrawal symptoms lasted for six-months. What I mean by psychosomatic is that mentally, you maybe contributing to you're symptoms and not even know it. Have you tried complete abstinence from all drugs and attempting to change your thought patterns? That is what it took for me to become mentally healthy again.YMMV
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
#14611889 - 06/14/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Combining opiates with psychedelics is an interesting experience. Similar to combining them with benzos but different in many ways.
The first most obvious thing you notice is the lack of anxiety and the increased relaxation. Psychedelics tend to make you want to jump around and take it all in but in that opiated state you feel content to lay back and take it all in.
Getting to a nod on psychedelics is quite fun, it's like entering a world of blissful CEVs and being able to appreciate that part of the trip without too much mindfuck. The mindfuck is still there, but it's less important while opiated, kinda like all your thoughts don't really matter and it's the sensations that are important.
I recommend 
Sorry for the whole "hurr durr my drugs are good yours are bad" shit that people are giving you. That elitist attitude is the one thing that makes me sad on the shroomery. Drugs aren't inherently good nor evil, it's how you use them that counts.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Dawks]
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Yup, bout the only thing that bothers me about this site as well.
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love2shpongleIRL said: When I got off of lexapro and alprazolam the withdrawal symptoms lasted for six-months. What I mean by psychosomatic is that mentally, you maybe contributing to you're symptoms and not even know it. Have you tried complete abstinence from all drugs and attempting to change your thought patterns? That is what it took for me to become mentally healthy again.YMMV
yeah i tried completely abstaining from drugs for about a year and a half. as for attempting to change my thought patterns, no. there is far too much pain in my head to attempt that. any time i have to try to focus my mind, it is extremely painful.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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Then all I can recommend is to keep searching for a doctor that is compassionate. They are out there just keep searching.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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What about not being able to take a shit for 2 weeks? Or scratching yourself raw? How can the be enjoyable?
Eatting large baches of mj is alot like H and at least you get to keep you veins.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: klopi123]
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You can keep your veins with H too if you use other ROA's. The whole not being able shit for 2 weeks comes with addiction and scratching yourself is just a product histamine release and can be counterd with a low dose of a non-sedating antihistamine. Overall, I happen to like the itching.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: klopi123]
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klopi123 said: What about not being able to take a shit for 2 weeks? Or scratching yourself raw? How can the be enjoyable?
Eatting large baches of mj is alot like H and at least you get to keep you veins.
i make sure not to take heroin daily so i have no problems with shitting and i dont inject it so my veins are fine.
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Snort it, shot it or smoke it. Long term, habitual use will kill you. Its your choice to make.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: klopi123]
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Did you know long term living will kill you? Explain how opiates(in their pure form) cause physical damage. Outside of meperidine(neurotoxic),tramadol(can cause seazures), and overdoses(cause physical destruction). They are among the safest drugs in use. There is slight cognitive impairment, but that is also reversible. Oh almost forgot, they can be bad for people who have heart problems like a murmur or irregular heartbeat but, so can cannabis.
http://http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2067988/pdf/nihms30979.pdf
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I live in Vancouver. People die all the time from H, thats why we have this place http://supervisedinjection.vch.ca/ so people dont keel over left and right.
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love2shpongleIRL said: Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but you have no idea what you're talking about. For me, opiates are no more addictive mentally then cannabis or alcohol. Cannabis isn't always a healer, I once had a patient that had a myocardial infarction with an overdose of an edible(to be fair he was already a cardiac patient). Like I said, I have used this way for five years. Haven't you ever met someone who smoked the tar out of their pipes or didn't have enough gas to drive because they bought a bag of cannabis. That seem's like addiction to me. There are destructive drug users in every catagory. Legalize everything and encourage people to use safer drugs, but dont act all high and mighty because in your mind you make a distiction between your use and other drug use.
LOL, im not tryin to be high and mighty, it's just that i saw how much of a complete LIAR you are. Denial is a mother fucker bro, you'll learn not to fuck with that shit. I'm telling you now, give it time. You're gonna fuck up. high and mighty or not, you'll see one way or the other how destructive it is and how harmless cannabis is in comparison, no matter HOW the individual person is using it. You can put all marijuana users into the category of being resin scraping hippies that dont work or handle their responsibilities because the weed has them "fucked up like that", but youd then be the one who doesnt know wtf hes talking about. THATS why i got annoyed more than anything, you tryin to call us lazy and have the audacity to compare us to some heroin junkies.
There are plenty of successful STONERS out there, please show me even a hand full of successful heroin addicts. please make me a believer, sir, cuz im not buyin yur shit.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: klopi123]
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I see opiate overdoses all the time with my job. By and large, they are caused by a product of unknown quality and purity being injected directly into the bloodstream. Supervised injection sites are great, because if an overdose happens naloxone(opiate overdose reversal drug) can be quickly administered. They still don't address the problem of a an overly inflated product(up to 300%)of unknown quality. Legalization would address most of these issues.
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and who the fuck mixes heroin and mushrooms, get a fucking life OP
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Sorry, it's hard to interperate tone through the internet. What did I lie about. I wasn't trying to say all cannabis users are lazy, resin scrapping hippies. and where did I say weed has "them fucked up like that". All I was trying to do was illistrate that there are varying degrees of use and addiction. You won't see many people acknowleging "harder" drug use because of stigma. Cannabis is the safer drug no doubt. What I was saying is that opiates can be used safely with the right information. Believe me I know how destructive shit can get, again, I see it all the time with work. No drug use is inherently different from eachother. All can be used safely(some more so than others) and all can be abused.
In 1992 The New York Times carried a frontpage story about a successful businessman who happened to be a regular heroin user. It began: "He is an executive in a company in New York, lives in a condo on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, drives an expensive car, plays tennis in the Hamp tons and vacations with his wife in Europe and the Caribbean. But unknown to office colleagues, friends, and most of his family, the man is also a longtime heroin user. He says he finds heroin relaxing and pleasurable and has seen no reason to stop using it until the woman he recently married insisted that he do so. 'The drug is an enhancement of my life; he said. 'I see it as similar to a guy coming home and having a drink of alcohol. Only alcohol has never done it for me.
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The Times noted that "nearly everything about the 44-year-old executive...seems to fly in the face of widely held perceptions about heroin users." The reporter who wrote the story and his editors seemed uncomfortable with contradicting official anti-drug propaganda, which depicts heroin use as incompatible with a satisfying, productive life. The headline read, "Executive's Secret Struggle With Heroin's Powerful Grip;' which sounds more like a cautionary tale than a success story. And the Times hastened to add that heroin users "are flirting with disaster." It conceded that "heroin does not damage the organs as, for instance, heavy alcohol use does." But it cited the risk of arrest, overdose, AIDS, and hepatitis--without noting that all of these risks are created or exacerbated by prohibition.
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Why are you so hostile? I don't agree with that particular combination, but what is it to you.
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i lost too many friends to that shit and i know im taking it out on you, but what the fuck are you doing promoting heroin as a good drug. get the fuck outta here with that shit. i know this isnt going anywhere good, so im peacin.
and yur a liar because i can see thru you. your fucking hooked. good bye.
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I'd like to get on topic just for a second just what I think the heroin/psilocybin combo will do:
It will smooth out your mushroom trip probably, remarkably so. Hopefully you will not get too nauseous though. I think what will happen, is it will smooth out the rough psychedelic edges, slow your thoughts down a little bit, honestly it will enable you to trip without tripping, the heroin will be there to wrap you up in your security blanket, protect you from the harsh reality, in this way heroin will deceive you, because undoubtedly if you eat the mushrooms alone and in sufficient dose, it will make you question your heroin use and consider changing your way of life, but with heroin you will probably be blind to this reality and on a simple pleasure trip without so much useful introspection.
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I am sorry for you're loss.Bro, I haven't used opiates in months(on an extented sobriety break). Heroin, as it stands now, isn't a good drug because of a lack of quality control. I'm not promoting opiates as a good drugs. All im getting at is that they are not as bad as it seems. In my opinion, the drug community needs to get over the my drugs better than your drug bullshit and come together. Honesty, love and good information will move us forward.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
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"but with heroin you will probably be blind to this reality and on a simple pleasure trip without so much useful introspection". This is what happend when I used opium once on the tail end of a lsd trip. It becomes much more hedonisitic. Not for me, but if that's all you want out of you're journeys it should suit you.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
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drr said: I'd like to get on topic just for a second just what I think the heroin/psilocybin combo will do:
It will smooth out your mushroom trip probably, remarkably so. Hopefully you will not get too nauseous though. I think what will happen, is it will smooth out the rough psychedelic edges, slow your thoughts down a little bit, honestly it will enable you to trip without tripping, the heroin will be there to wrap you up in your security blanket, protect you from the harsh reality, in this way heroin will deceive you, because undoubtedly if you eat the mushrooms alone and in sufficient dose, it will make you question your heroin use and consider changing your way of life, but with heroin you will probably be blind to this reality and on a simple pleasure trip without so much useful introspection.
I've eaten up to four grams of mushrooms alone and it has never made me question my heroin use. I already explained that I thought about my heroin use during my last trip and I felt no differently about it then how I feel sober. I use it because it makes me feel better (I suffer from chronic pain) and the biggest downside is the expense.
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love2shpongleIRL said: "but with heroin you will probably be blind to this reality and on a simple pleasure trip without so much useful introspection". This is what happend when I used opium once on the tail end of a lsd trip. It becomes much more hedonisitic. Not for me, but if that's all you want out of you're journeys it should suit you.
It's not all I want, I'd love to get some insights from mushrooms that would improve my life but I can't say it has happened yet. I have no intention of combining them with heroin every single time, I just thought about trying it once. It's ridiculous what this thread has turned into. I can't say I'm at all impressed with this forum.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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If your are in extreme pain then you do what needs to be done. No one is condemning you to a life of pain.
God put mj, shrooms and poppys on the earth to heal and teach.
Just be careful, please.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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Please don't have this effect your experience here. While I've only been registered a few days I lurked for years before that. There are alot of great people here and when it comes down to it, they were just concerned about your well being.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: klopi123]
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Heroin and shrooms don't sound like a good mix at all. Try it and report back. I'll never do anything that so many great people have ODed on and many more addicted to but I'm not here to judge you and neither should anyone else.
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love2shpongleIRL said: Please don't have this effect your experience here. While I've only been registered a few days I lurked for years before that. There are alot of great people here and when it comes down to it, they were just concerned about your well being.
How did you get over 200 posts in 2 days!
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: klopi123]
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Easy brah. Wanna talk about addiction. The shroomery easily takes the cake as the most addictive thing known man.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Doc_T]
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opiate_fan said: Would I get the same type of responses here had I asked about combining mushrooms with beer?
I would tell you not to mix mushrooms with beer.
why not? i always mix them with beer its a fantastic combo!
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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opiate_fan said: Has anyone tried this combo, or any opiate for that matter? I am thinking of giving it a shot. Would you guys suggest taking the heroin first and then the mush or the mush first?
I've done it, several times. I banged my dope before and then at the tail end, but I was injecting 4-6 times a day at that point. I had been doing H for so long that it seemed normal for me, so I didn't notice much difference.
It did feel pretty dirty, like I shouldn't have been doing it. But, whatever.
Heroin is a hard drug, but that doesn't make it a bad drug. It's what you do with it. It's a lot less harmful in my opinion than alcohol, meth, and a lot of the RC's
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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opiate_fan said: It's not all I want, I'd love to get some insights from mushrooms that would improve my life but I can't say it has happened yet. I have no intention of combining them with heroin every single time, I just thought about trying it once. It's ridiculous what this thread has turned into. I can't say I'm at all impressed with this forum.
This forum used to be great a few years ago. It goes in cycles
Sometimes there are intelligent, open-minded, rational users engaged in progressive debates; sometimes there are a bunch of fourteen year old cough-syrup abusers arguing over how to "make acid".
Then you get the highbrow spiritual guru crowd who think they've found The One Way and think you really need to hear all about it. (I used to be one of these!)
Listen to Nature Boy - he's got his head on straight, probably because he's a little older than the crowd and is informed by experience.
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AcidStrippedMind said: Haha, heroin is definitely more dangerous than beer but I still believe it can be used recreationally. I use oxycodone/dilaudid/oxymorphone occasionally and it's just another drug(s) to me.
Its more dangerous as in addiction -> shitty life -> OD. But beer is 1000000x more dangerous to your internal system.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: 12468]
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Close minded people. I say ignore all the people that are insulting you and just do it. I agree heroine is dangerous, but doesn't mean you have to not do it at all. Have fun, and report back!
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What's with all the judgement in this thread? This guy wanted an answer to his question, not a lecture on how he's going to destroy his life.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: healing]
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healing said: What's with all the judgement in this thread? This guy wanted an answer to his question, not a lecture on how he's going to destroy his life.
That's what I'm saying dude. A lot of people here in the PE think some drugs are superior to others and take it as fact.
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What a bunch of fucken idiots here, seriously 'my drug is devine light magic and your drug is poison'. Makes me sick to my stomache how people here can be so judgemental and make up random claims like 'herion always destroys your life'. Bet you guys also think 'you get hooked after the first use' too. Bunch of morons.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Jwlst]
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I think most people have the attitude of concern, this is by no means judgmental.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: opiate_fan]
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As someone who appreciates the wonders of opiates, I would say this sounds like a FANTASTIC combo. A few months back at a rave I ate half an 8th of mush at the beginning, and then snorted half a roxy. Although the shrooms had almost entirely worn off by the time I snorted the roxy, I would recommend this combo. The opiates will give you a relaxed feeling, which isn't exactly a bad thing in the middle of a shroom trip.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: Sharktasm]
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In my experience I would say a mild/moderate dose of opiates on the comedown would be great, but not heroin. Firstly I say do it on the comedown so the opiates do not cause the trip to lose it's meaning, secondly I say don't use heroin because other opiates feel really nice without having the same addictive nature as heroin.
I know some of you will say opiates are opiates and you can get addicted to any of them. Coming from someone with alot of experience, this is true but Heroin for me and many others has the worst withdrawals besides methadone which is even worse. Even suboxone has some crazy ass withdrawals because it's there to "help you quit" and then you try and it slaps you on the face like E Honda.
Hydrocodone, oxys, codeine (which I don't prefer) and hydromorphone are much more smooth on the comedown.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: drr]
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drr said: The downside to heroin is the deadly addiction that has taken the lives of many great people. The fact that you haven't encountered that yet tells me you should quit while you're ahead.
one could argue the only reason peoples lives have been lost and in jeopardy in regards to opiate addiction is because it is infact illegal. If it was legal their would be proper channels to acquire such things besides in a bathroom or in a dark ally somewhere, avoiding shady individuals and aids. Also proper amounts, clean product....etc... you have no argument.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: snoot]
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drr said: The downside to heroin is the deadly addiction that has taken the lives of many great people. The fact that you haven't encountered that yet tells me you should quit while you're ahead.
one could argue the only reason peoples lives have been lost and in jeopardy in regards to opiate addiction is because it is infact illegal. If it was legal their would be proper channels to acquire such things besides in a bathroom or in a dark ally somewhere, avoiding shady individuals and aids. Also proper amounts, clean product....etc... you have no argument.
I agree with this. Yes there are always people who will just keep going and going until they hit that fatal dose. But in many cases the reason for overdose is because the purity of the product varies greatly. People load up their normal amount and it just happens to be more powerful.
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I believe this poster stated his heroin use was for the treatment of pain. Stating the pain is quite extensive. If this is the case obviously removing the pain and improving quality of life is advisable.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: klopi123]
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klopi123 said: I believe this poster stated his heroin use was for the treatment of pain. Stating the pain is quite extensive. If this is the case obviously removing the pain and improving quality of life is advisable.
Yes, but that is what I was saying. Heroin is a poor choice for the treatment of pain because of it's highly addictive qualities. I think most any other opiate would be a better choice.
I would even say Kratom would be a great choice because it kills pain just like other opiates but does not lead to addiction nearly as fast. It is also MUCH less expensive.
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I've always wanted to try Oxycodone 60-90MG + a hit of Acid.
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Mikey851 said: Heroin is a poor choice for the treatment of pain because of it's highly addictive qualities. I think most any other opiate would be a better choice.
You best be trollin'
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Heroin isn't anymore addictive than any other opiateIMO. There are pharmaceutical drugs ala hydromorphone that people say give a more powerfull rush than even heroin.
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love2shpongleIRL said: Heroin isn't anymore addictive than any other opiateIMO. There are pharmaceutical drugs ala hydromorphone that people say give a more powerfull rush than even heroin.
This is true.
I've done heroin.
I'd rather get 4-5 roxis [Oxycodone 30MG] any day.
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I've done it to. From me, the cuts and unknown purity make it not worth it. IMO, there are safer ways to go about treating pain and getting high. Now, if he had pure diacetyl-morphine I would not be saying this it's just the variation in quality that makes it dangerous. There was a doctor who found that most overdoses happen because the cuts tend to potentiate respiratory depression. I can try to find the article if you wish.
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Re: Heroin plus shrooms [Re: klopi123]
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Caught my eye immediately!! " Heroin plus shrooms"
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klopi123 said: I think most people have the attitude of concern, this is by no means judgmental.
I come in peace with an attitude of concern on this post ^^
I would think that heroin before shrooms, as i am under the impression that heroin might decrease the trip as it is stronger.
I will be the last person with the right to judge but i would like to state my opinion also, I think that heroin is good, too damn good  I do believe there are users with very strong will power who can use it moderately, but many will fall under the "weekly - couple days - nightly" and so forth.
I understand the great concern some members have after witnessing what their peers gone through. heroin might be safe for the body if pure and what not... but extreme caution is advised.
Desperation... the craving... the back pain... the dread and lastly the SATISFACTION! when you caught "the dragon". Im no hater of users.. just a lot of pity for what many user will face in the future but tons of admiration & respect for recreational users on their will power. I once felt the pride of having that kinda will power...
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You best be trollin'
No I wasn't. Morphine and Heroin (especially heroin) are known to have a more euphoric rush than many other opiates especially when IV. I guess I should have clarified if you shoot Heroin as opposed to popping an oxy.
I don't doubt there are other opiates with a similar rush, but that's what studies have shown is that most opiate addicts end up with heroin going IV because it is the best high that is the cheapest and easiest to find.
I know I might sound stupid right now, but I'm also going off of personal experience. If I overuse any opiate other than Heroin I almost have no problems when stopping use. Heroin on the other hand was extremely hard to stop and had the worst withrawals....except when compared to methadone and I believe that's because one dose of methadone lasts 24 hours so your body gets used to having it there all day.
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Oasis182 said: I think the general consensus here is strongly AGAINST heroin. It really is a terrible substance. I wouldn't recommend doing it at all, let alone mixing it with a psychedelic.
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klopi123 said: I believe this poster stated his heroin use was for the treatment of pain. Stating the pain is quite extensive. If this is the case obviously removing the pain and improving quality of life is advisable.
Yes, but that is what I was saying. Heroin is a poor choice for the treatment of pain because of it's highly addictive qualities. I think most any other opiate would be a better choice.
I would even say Kratom would be a great choice because it kills pain just like other opiates but does not lead to addiction nearly as fast. It is also MUCH less expensive.
I don't really agree with this. I have used other opiates and they are honestly not much different from heroin to me. Also, it's not like I have much choice in the matter. I am working on getting a legit prescription as well as growing my own opium. But for the time being, heroin is the only opiate I can get. Pills are too expensive. Oxycontin is dead due to the new formula and the last thing I wanna do is ingest a bunch of APAP in vicodin. Besides, I always prefer to use natural drugs over synthetics (opium would be my opiate of choice if I had access) and because heroin is basically morphine and converts to morphine in the body, I feel that it is more natural than oxy or hydrocodone. I know this message board is focused on psychedelics and I definitely like psychedelics better than heroin but I also believe that nature gave us some wonderful non psychedelic plants and one of those is the opium poppy. Yes, it is highly addictive I am aware of that but I refuse to see it as wholly bad because it is plant which thus far has brought much pain relief to my life. It has helped me with my personal relationships because it makes me feel well enough to socialize. So far, I have managed to avoid addiction and I don't really see myself escalating my use. I am already quite unhappy with the amount I spend on it.
As for katom, LOL. Kratom sucks. I get killer hangovers from it and it's hard to dose (always end up taking either too much or too little) and when I try to sleep on kratom I get frightening visions. I've been more scared on my kratom highs than any mushroom trip.
So anyway, aside from the major $ I drop on it my heroin use is not harmful. Hell, my marijuana addiction was more harmful to me than heroin. Marijuana made me anti-social, paranoid as hell, panic attacks, lung damage, trouble in school and other negative effects. Of course I think part of it is I am older, more experienced and no longer wish to hurt myself with drugs now so I have much better self control but I honestly found marijuana more enjoyable and more addictive than I find heroin. Heroin is a lovely drug, as long as you can control yourself and avoid addiction. I love it because I can get super high and rather than wake up with a hangover in the morning, I wake up still high ready for the day.
I love mushrooms way more than heroin though. Nothing gets me higher than psychedelics.
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