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OfflineFronnis
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Mushroom pinning in jar.
    #14610968 - 06/14/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have 3 colonizing jars, and one has grown way faster than the others. The mycellium has even colonized the dry verm barrier.
For the past few days I have noticed that the one that has grown faster than others has stalled itself whilst colonizing. My plans were to crush it and spawn it to coir. Now I have pins in my jar and tons of  hyphael knots.
Should I just birth it now and keep the cake in the jar? Or could I try refrigerating it until my other jars are ready and spawn to bulk then?
I don't mind maybe birthing this cake and spawning my two others, but it is not yet fully colonized.
What should I do?
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The jar is also very heavy because water had been sucked into it whilst I pressure cooked it.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14610978 - 06/14/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Birthing would require you to REMOVE the cake from the jar.

If it is not yet fully colonized and has pins on it and hyphal knots then that means there is some sort of bacterial contamination and the cake decided to fruit in order to complete it's life cycle at least once before any contamination could take over.

Are you sure you didn't mean t say it is not yet fully consolidated?


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #14610994 - 06/14/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The cake is growing but very slowly, the growth seems to have become less rhizomorphic. The mycellium is fully consolidated (if you mean the mycellium has all joined into one living mass).
I have seen people to fruit from jars, and the water content is quite high.
I thought I had a contam, but I have come to believe it is bruising with the colour being so blue and not spreading.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14611000 - 06/14/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's bruising which is being caused by the cake/mycelium drying out...if she's fully colonized and had at least 3-5 days of consolidation then go ahead and birth that cake into a shotgun FC.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14611010 - 06/14/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah the myc is stressing thats why its pinning,I think Mad Hatter hit it right on the head


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #14611025 - 06/14/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I see from RR's video he managed to succesfully fruit from his jars, so I will do that. If I manage a flush, I will remove it and dunk for a second flush.
Thanks :smile:.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14611090 - 06/14/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You could quickly throw together a single-cake  SGFC via a couple small, cheap, clear, plastic containers :smile:


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14611110 - 06/14/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'd remove it from the jar.While you can fruit a cake while it is still in the jar,you'll have much more surface area of the cake to work with if you remove it from it's jar to fruit.Also if you leave it in the jar to fruit,any mushrooms that grow along side the cake will get smooshed and can start to rot which is an open vector for contamination issues.You'll be happier with the final harvest if you remove it from the cake and fruit in a shotgun FC.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #14611139 - 06/14/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So would it be a good idea to remove the cake and rinse off the substrate it has not yet colonized?
I already have it in a mini fruit chamber within the jar, but if I can still improve this, I will do it asap.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14611149 - 06/14/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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So would it be a good idea to remove the cake and rinse off the substrate it has not yet colonized?




O_O if your cake isn't 100%, I probably wouldn't birth it.

Or did you mean the dry verm lay on top??


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: LayinUp]
    #14611166 - 06/14/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Fronnis said:
So would it be a good idea to remove the cake and rinse off the substrate it has not yet colonized?




O_O if your cake isn't 100%, I probably wouldn't birth it.

Or did you mean the dry verm lay on top??



It's growing pins across the side of the cake, if I don't, I believe I am very likely to have it rot.
The dry verm layer is fully colonized.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14611237 - 06/14/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Post pics of said jar...pics will get you such better replies as we can visually see what is going on.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #14611292 - 06/14/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My camera doesn't synchronize with my computer at the moment, and my phone has an SD card error that does not let pictures get saved.
I have the jar in without the lid in my FC and put tin foil around the outside of the jar to prevent mushrooms growing around the jar.
I will try my best to get pics up though, problem is I am a little busy this evening.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14611596 - 06/14/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

here is a pic i just took. it is an aussie in a jar. birdseed with a 60/40 casing.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: uncle bobo]
    #14611629 - 06/14/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm doing a BRF jar and just topped the cake with a thin layer of verm.
My pins are growing like yours, but I have many hyphael knots appearing around.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14611661 - 06/14/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

those jars had got some cobweb on them. so i don't think the proxide helped pinning at all. i got cobweb because there were grains stuck to the top of the jars when i cased them. i probably should have shook them to get the grains off the sides of the jars. i would have been better off spawning them to a tub or tray. but, they where just a couple jars i was playing around with anyway.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: uncle bobo]
    #14613639 - 06/14/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This is just an experiment for me aswell. I have fruited normal cakes in the past, but
did not encouter these sort of problems.
Im experimenting procedures to do bulk grows, after I spawn my other two cakes to coir, I will make about 10 5ml syringes out of a GT print and inoculate maybe 10-15 jars for a either a monotub or a few trays.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14613977 - 06/14/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ONLY ONCE did i fruit from the jar.



never again though; wish i would have had the whole cake......


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: CheeseBurgler]
    #14627408 - 06/17/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm having a similar problem. The mycelium in all of my jars has stalled around 2-3 weeks ago, and I'm noticing a few pins popping up in some of them. I decided that, at least with 2 of the jars, I'm gonna let them fruit...see what happens. Took the lids off already, so if it was a mistake it's too late now, though I still have 3 with lids.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Kire1988]
    #14627580 - 06/17/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Took the lids off already, so if it was a mistake it's too late now, though I still have 3 with lids.




ummm...yeah. that kinda sounds mistake-y to me.

did you dunk? did you birth or just take the lid off? any kind of "casing" layer on that delicate, newly exposed myc?


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: CheeseBurgler]
    #14628177 - 06/17/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I took the cake out and cut out the uncolonized part, I then crumbled it and spawned it with pasteurized coir in a small tray with a 1:3 ratio. I sealed it with cling film, placed it in a ziplock bag and its now colonizing very nicely in my incubator.


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Re: Mushroom pinning in jar. [Re: Fronnis]
    #14629527 - 06/17/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I took the cake out and cut out the uncolonized part, I then crumbled it and spawned it with pasteurized coir in a small tray with a 1:3 ratio. I sealed it with cling film, placed it in a ziplock bag and its now colonizing very nicely in my incubator.




well, sounds good to me. i just didnt want to find that you took the top off, then placed the whole jar directly and immediately into you fc. see, now, THAT would have been a mistake.

sounds like you got it goin on. keep on keepin on.

nothing of any context to add.


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