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Doc_T
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The World's Most Dangerous Peyote!
#14610643 - 06/14/11 06:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can you graft Lophophora williamsii onto Opuntia or Cylindropuntia stock? Let's find out! (With thanks to jokefox, fngbronco, GGTBod and karode13) This is today's progress, two seedlings became four grafts. Everything is bagged up now, should know in a few days if any of them took- I'll post either way when I know.
An Opuntia seedling was collected from the wild. They are abundant here, no ethics issues. Two Loph seedlings were selected based on size and health. Top of one seedling was grafted onto the top of the Opuntia.
Cylindropuntia imbricata, walking stick cholla, with grafted Loph in place:
Roots were grafted face-down onto other Opuntia plants. I trimmed off budding paddles, seemed like the best way to get an active spot.
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Edited by Doc_T (06/14/11 06:43 AM)
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14610653 - 06/14/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont know much about grafting but the peyoti will just be i big ball of water if that is a fast growing cacti you grafted i to
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: JilPil]
#14610970 - 06/14/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not sure if you matched the ringz
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fngbronco
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Agarico]
#14611289 - 06/14/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looking good!! Can't wait to see the progress!!!
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: fngbronco]
#14611968 - 06/14/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can graft the bottom half of a loph seedling?
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Doc_T
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: overstand]
#14612743 - 06/14/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Agarico said: Not sure if you matched the ringz
Yeah, we'll see. 
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overstand said: You can graft the bottom half of a loph seedling?
Apparently so.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14613235 - 06/14/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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what are you using for humidity?
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fngbronco
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: AIRDOG]
#14614487 - 06/14/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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They look lined up pretty well. The only one I can't tell on is the back opuntia graft, but it looks like it's inside the ring. Are you supposed to get it touching the ring, or is centering it inside ok?
I can't wait! I'll do one next week just cuz you've inspired me doc! You stab yourself this time? I got some welding gloves from my buddy for those cylindropuntia.
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: fngbronco]
#14614806 - 06/14/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Each plant went into a plastic bag.
I don't know if they need to be centered, or if they can line up on other vessels. I confess I don't know as much botany as I need to.
But the hardest part for me was getting them the right way up- they kept sticking to my tools. I had rinsed them off and I think I should have let them dry a bit longer.
At this time, one of the top pieces looks good, the other a little less good. Both root pieces look shriveled, I doubt they will take. More info later.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14621260 - 06/16/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Two days later, here's the update. Hard to take pics, but the Opuntia graft looks green.
And the Cylindropuntia looks ok, maybe.
Root pieces don't look as good to me, but maybe they will get better.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14621716 - 06/16/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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hard to see man. got any better pics?
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: ferrel_human]
#14621737 - 06/16/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, not really. It's hard to see in person too. I'll give them another day or two then open the bags and see if I can get closeups. But the fact that the grafted babies are still plump and green seems like a positive sign.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14637572 - 06/19/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Neat... cool to see that you've got toes in a few different ponds. I was conceived on peyote!
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: aris]
#14637867 - 06/19/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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aris said: I was conceived on peyote!
Is this serious?
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: turtle_hermit]
#14637890 - 06/19/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's hard to believe, they're so small....and even if it was while on peyote, I commend your dad for being able to get off haha mushrooms it seems impossible to finish.
Doc I found the same opuntia species at a local hardware store. Gonna go grab on of those and an azure and blue Myrtle and see how they do. Probably graft te tops to the azure and myrtle and the roots to the opuntia and cylindropuntia.
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: fngbronco]
#14637904 - 06/19/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are they calling it Opuntia polyacantha? I can send them by the box, don't bother buying them.
Grafts don't seem to have taken, I'm calling this a successful failure.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14637908 - 06/19/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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edit: Wait, none of them took?
Edited by BothHands (06/19/11 01:54 PM)
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Doc_T
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: BothHands]
#14637917 - 06/19/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, but they scabbed onto the stock rather than being sloughed off.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14637939 - 06/19/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So what does that mean? There's hope?
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: BothHands]
#14637950 - 06/19/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think there's hope for these, but there's hope for my technique. I should be able to do this.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14638109 - 06/19/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder if the rings need to touch rather than the cores. I saw a great tek somewhere, but can't find it now. How fast do those opuntia grow? I've got some cylindropuntia in my truck still (in boxes) that are shooting out new growth like they don't realize they're not connected to anything lol. Are both the cacti calloused or just the sides? Maybe increase humidity or try to regraft?
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: fngbronco]
#14639457 - 06/19/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Both species grow pretty fast. I'm not going to mess with these individuals any more, and I don't think I'll graft much any time soon. But I may try some ordinary cactus just to get the technique, I'll post if I do.
It would be cool to have two or three kinds of cholla branches on one plant.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: Doc_T]
#14639523 - 06/19/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haha that's a great idea! Have a tree cholla base with jumping cholla and prickly pear branches...that could be a fun toy when drunk! See who can pick the pears without catching a spud!
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: fngbronco]
#14641424 - 06/20/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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haha,hell yeah!!!I'm going to try my hand at cacti grafting very soon,and see what I can come up with
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fngbronco
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: KBG1977]
#14648625 - 06/21/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Found this guide to lining up vascular systems.
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: fngbronco]
#14648659 - 06/21/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think the one in the middle should be a check too. if in doubt, place scion dead center.
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: ferrel_human]
#14649004 - 06/21/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's what I was thinking, but the xylem (or phloem can't remember which is up) seems to be on the outside. At least when I cut my Pedro to get rid of rot it looked like open vessels around the outside, like a ring of arteries per se.
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: The World's Most Dangerous Peyote! [Re: fngbronco]
#14653136 - 06/22/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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But in the middle the vascular rings don't overlap. I thought that's what it's all about.
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