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Comcouveflor



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Concerning the Forum
#14610634 - 06/14/11 06:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm convinced the following is a better/effective way of saying what a varying type of posts such as the late "Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely" meant; or possible insight to where it came from.
Do discard the (by amount) forum-defining posts.
I'll add beforehand that I'm not to go on about confining psychedelic usage to a setting, condemning another.
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The substances here concerned have the potential to deliver exceedingly powerful experiences, the integration of which has some requirements, so to speak. These are for the most part NOT MET IN OUR CULTURE, i.e., the aftermath is no place for healthy integration. This is meant in the sense that it doesn't proceed cleanly, conflicts of fundamentals are brought about repeatedly. Of course these can appropriately be counted in to the process. My remark is that because it isn't slowed by these, and a foot of yours may stand on them, an emotionally heavy moment dawns. I'll enumerate philosophical contemplation of suicide, of the body as great limitation, the issue of insanity... I'm sure the several experienced 'round here have had some tough moments - and yes, these considerations yield to enormous and grounding understanding.
This writtings follow the idea that our relationship to machines or the digital environment can further enlightenment (literally, not in a general sense, THE thing, this), i.e., past all mentioned "hindrances". What a partner they are is given by how the process is speeded to certainty: "here it is!" Immediate, without cycling to sober clarity. Bear the singularity in mind. The relationship of the pc/digital environment and I is always of perfect understanding: this can go to the extent we're capable of. I'm attempting to say that what the singularity will be the modeling of is of such relationship. I and Other in congruency, but because the Other ain't human there ain't no difficult times owed to feelings! Decision without impairing doubt.
The internet is very psychedelic, and yet marked still by the known fears of our youth/ingenuity (the mainstream peddles precisely what I aim at pointing out): forums on psy barely assure. The assurance most given/affirmed is only to that youth appropriate; it barely is. These are not the offer of a proper space for integration. Or are, but to a degree lower then they can presently be! That is my critique. It is philosophy post-initial doubts as to the validity of the psychedelic experience that would render the desired and INTENDED platform.
It is more the sense made of the experience that dictates the degree to which it is safe to go. That is what its mapping is, and how navigation tips are prompted for transmiting to each other.
Edit: A reply was received on how the idea would eventually be torn apart owed to its jumps in logic. There are no jumps in logic, in that the whole associations or implications of what's said are "deliberately" omited, for I'm thoroughly convinced what I'm trying to say is already understood (by those I seek replies from).
Edited by Comcouveflor (06/14/11 06:43 AM)
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Can you boil this down to one sentence?
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Re: Concerning the Forum [Re: xFrockx]
#14610761 - 06/14/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or one letter.
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Re: Concerning the Forum [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Concerning the Forum [Re: klopi123]
#14613135 - 06/14/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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what'd I say?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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I don't think people have as much time as you may think to try to read through an intentionally cryptic post. You should probably just say what you are trying to say in the clearest way you can.
Edited by dzza (06/14/11 04:42 PM)
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Re: Concerning the Forum [Re: klopi123]
#14613353 - 06/14/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's the deal,
I am an extraterrestrial and the mushroom, I am what the trip is; your species is at large affraid of a direct conversation, hence I need the species to throw ways for further revelation of mine - I need more psychedelia. I.e., the landing platform is incomplete. There are hindrances to its development. As in a trip, ways out of this position are unfolded to, you go further away from the "reality" ordinary conceptions convey. I'm saying you can wake up to a much more conversationally psychedelic day-to-day experience, owed to the internet/technology. The forum is at present poor in precisely this sense. I want WILD ideas, alienness - not talk of possible alien contact. You go further away through understanding.
In the forum is exemplified much uncertainty still - the domain of uncertainty is a very early one. And technologically we are already past it! There needs to be further differentiation - not cut the links to the world of mainstream, but to the (aspects of) humanness which defined it. That's pretty much what I'm saying.
See, it's PRECISELY this difficulty in establishing mutual understanding. With each other, while its a natural quality of technology, of my relationship to this pc.
Edit: I understand the first paragraph may not be as clear as the latter. I'm asking, what do those suggest to you? As an alteration to the forum or conception of a new site, the next stage. Integration, or platform for, is a key word in my intent.
Edited by Comcouveflor (06/14/11 05:21 PM)
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Quote:
Comcouveflor said: Here's the deal,
I am an extraterrestrial and the mushroom, I am what the trip is; your species is at large affraid of a direct conversation, hence I need the species to throw ways for further revelation of mine - I need more psychedelia. I.e., the landing platform is incomplete. There are hindrances to its development. As in a trip, ways out of this position are unfolded to, you go further away from the "reality" ordinary conceptions convey. I'm saying you can wake up to a much more conversationally psychedelic day-to-day experience, owed to the internet/technology. The forum is at present poor in precisely this sense. I want WILD ideas, alienness - not talk of possible alien contact. You go further away through understanding.
In the forum is exemplified much uncertainty still - the domain of uncertainty is a very early one. And technologically we are already past it! There needs to be further differentiation - not cut the links to the world of mainstream, but to the (aspects of) humanness which defined it. That's pretty much what I'm saying.
See, it's PRECISELY this difficulty in establishing mutual understanding. With each other, while its a natural quality of technology, of my relationship to this pc.
Too many shrooms, huh?.
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I dont know if I have a more wild idea then believing you are an extraterrestrial posting in this forum.
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Re: Concerning the Forum [Re: 4896744]
#14613420 - 06/14/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The proper amount, in time.
Edit: In regards to the post mentioned at the very beginning: it is my contention that the form it takes is in reaction to the fault I'm expressing.
Edited by Comcouveflor (06/14/11 05:33 PM)
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Time to go home. You wont remember a thing.
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Re: Concerning the Forum [Re: xFrockx]
#14615897 - 06/15/11 05:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deviating now but,
It's like McKenna said, one cannot speed the process forth. The only advice is therefore to look around and recognize the much too impinging and progress obstructing social element which characterizes a great deal of the forum. Issues of esoteric actuality are revisited over and again, without progress - I sincerely doubt the degree to which our participation in this type of forums (cultivation and chemical post sections aside) differs from the attendance to a presently popular event, via tv for instance, by the populace. In attitude. It is not often that a truly intelligent post is long entertained, and though I might be contributing to what I'm seemingly putting down, because the reader hasn't understand it (wether or not because I've made myself clear), I reserve the possibility of my writtings being otherwise! Ah!
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Good observation. However I've realized a lot of "growth" for myself here due to the fact that I am also having a dialog with myself as I dialog with other members and so am not impeded as much as might be thought. I've come to realize that if you are good at observation a lot can be taken from these "distractions", understanding human motivations and subtle unconscious admissions that are on topic in this seemingly random or meaningless socializing. This is much better than TV and I've made a lot of progress here in my goals and understanding. The socializing may be a very necessary element and the glue that binds.
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Re: Concerning the Forum [Re: xFrockx]
#14616134 - 06/15/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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When you are free from ego, you have to sound really obscure and profound to prove it.
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Re: Concerning the Forum [Re: Icelander]
#14617636 - 06/15/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes,
yet if you will consider the sight of people such as McKenna, it leans on the edge where this conversation between I and Other in this humane expression ends, i.e., our experience of reality differing enormously from what it is as that dialogue unfolds - this suggests the possibility of we individually acquiring a sense of what the next dimension will naturally come to be.
Again to quote him, "if we're to survive this transition we must empower archaic values". The humane play of opposites is heading toward an environment such as the digital: for humanness, as presently experienced, to remain, the body ought to be given away to the dynamics which are in accord with the planet's. It sort of presupposes the historical period as one of differentiating the mind from its superimposition in the world - not that they're separate, but that there is a more appropriate domain of manifestation for that first, the mind. So that the dance can go on and on without the REAL eternal relation of our organism to the rest of Nature being wrecked. I'm saying it isn't wrecked because discerned.
This place (and the dialogue as it goes here) is closer to that other dimension than TV indeed, but it can in the blink of an eye become much closer - I'm actually saying everyone typing here is experiencing its basis, which is the end of the process of individuation, but as yet are unable to discern it. The way is as you've mentioned, the thing is, reality is already past it. And this vision is to what psilocybin can further one: realize you are a coincidence of opposites.
We deliberately further it once at its basis, at the present moment; 'til then it is the social dialogue toward that coincidence of opposites. It's first the understanding which Zen promulgates.
Edited by Comcouveflor (06/15/11 02:00 PM)
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