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disco-biscuit
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First grow, input and advice needed! (PICS)
#14604164 - 06/13/11 01:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alright, so swim started off with spores from www.micro-supply.com swim ordered a syringe of B+ shroomies. All went well for the most part, inoculated 5 jars, 4 actually colonized and 1 did nothing. Dunk and rolled them, threw them in the shotgun FC with perlite, misted and fanned at least 3 times a day, 12 hours of light (flourescent) 12 dark. Out of the 4 cakes only one produced mushrooms. Not that many though - at least they look pretty healthy! After the first flush swim realised that 2 of the cakes were contaminated with what looks like a greenish colored mold so swim threw them out. It was not very wide spread mold so I figured the other 2 cakes are good to keep going.
I'm mostly curious why swim ended up with so few mushrooms. Here's a list of things that could have possibly contributed to it but who knows for sure. -Used tap water for everything (misting, mixing with the verm) -Used regular old brown rice (not organic) -Only waited for the first few primordia on the jars to appear before birthing. -Could only use the tall 1/2 pint jars, swim can't find the short & fat ones.
Can't think of anything else that could have went wrong. Now for the pictures!
The whole harvest
 The jars swim used
 Cakes in the shotgun FC
 The shotgun FC
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Edited by disco-biscuit (06/16/11 02:51 AM)
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JilPil



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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: disco-biscuit]
#14604236 - 06/13/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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almost my setup from before im going to break mine up into casings probably you did every thing i did so we will find out. im still colonizing how long did the colonization take?
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disco-biscuit
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: JilPil]
#14604274 - 06/13/11 02:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not very long, about 20 days, then swim waited another 6 days for it to colonize all the way through.
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: disco-biscuit]
#14605166 - 06/13/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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where your syringes dark or light?
im on like week 4 now and some are half way still even less but maybe your jars are different had a dud too that nothing happened with
Edited by JilPil (06/13/11 09:29 AM)
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FuckMeRunnin
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: JilPil]
#14605216 - 06/13/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmm I myself started out with B+ and brf cakes. I had six or eight cakes and yeilded 2.5 oz dry. It's possible that your sterilization tecniques wernt up to par or it could have been a not so good syring. I have had syringes spawned to bulk 5 times and produced nothing but aborts and mutants. I always recommend getting spores from the hawkeye little bit more pricey but waaaaay worth it! Ps color of syring dosnt mean anything my homemade syringes have dark spores of B+, but the syring I got from the hawkeye, you could hardly see the spores so color means nothing because spores are so small.
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
#14605296 - 06/13/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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if the jar colonizes doesn't that mean that the syringe was ok? i use the same jars and have not had any problems. and i had 6 cakes of AA+ strain and yielded 15grams dry. the only i would like to know is what was the ambient temp of the FC. and from that last pic i see he also needs another inch or 2 of perlite, only looks like 2 inches to begin with. my guess is even tho you were misting 3 times a day the cakes were loosing too much moisture to produce "healthy" mushes. but a temp reading would be nice. im not a TC but thats the things i am seeing.
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
#14605329 - 06/13/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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FuckMeRunnin said: Hmm I myself started out with B+ and brf cakes. I had six or eight cakes and yeilded 2.5 oz dry. It's possible that your sterilization tecniques wernt up to par or it could have been a not so good syring. I have had syringes spawned to bulk 5 times and produced nothing but aborts and mutants. I always recommend getting spores from the hawkeye little bit more pricey but waaaaay worth it! Ps color of syring dosnt mean anything my homemade syringes have dark spores of B+, but the syring I got from the hawkeye, you could hardly see the spores so color means nothing because spores are so small.
no the liquid inside was it super dark with lots of spores or like almost water with a few spores?
Edited by JilPil (06/13/11 10:13 AM)
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: JilPil]
#14605863 - 06/13/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah get hawkseye spores and you won't have that problem.
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FuckMeRunnin
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: JilPil]
#14605966 - 06/13/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ahmcarri said:
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FuckMeRunnin said: Hmm I myself started out with B+ and brf cakes. I had six or eight cakes and yeilded 2.5 oz dry. It's possible that your sterilization tecniques wernt up to par or it could have been a not so good syring. I have had syringes spawned to bulk 5 times and produced nothing but aborts and mutants. I always recommend getting spores from the hawkeye little bit more pricey but waaaaay worth it! Ps color of syring dosnt mean anything my homemade syringes have dark spores of B+, but the syring I got from the hawkeye, you could hardly see the spores so color means nothing because spores are so small.
no the liquid inside was it super dark with lots of spores or like almost water with a few spores?
I'm saying that color dosnt matter because even if you can't see the spores there are still millions of them in there...So it's a matter of a lot or a lot either way 1 million compared to 2 million will make no difference. I have bought syringes that were black and didn't fruit well and syringes that were pretty much clear couldn't see a thing and it was my best syring. Now I make my own and use prints. So again color dosnt matter cuz even when clear there are still a fuck ton of spores.
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
#14605978 - 06/13/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hate to be the thousanth person to say this but less is better
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: steelmonkey]
#14606340 - 06/13/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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when you inoculate with spores it is going to be a multiculture and yields differently. I would change the TEK to bulk or you can also crumble the cakes, put them in a tray, then put a casing layer on it. As i see you have a nice cluster, you can try to clone it! The syringes that have dark color are usually worse because there are more spores which can carry contaminants. (no spore print are 100% sterile) . The syringes that are completely look like water and you can not see a spore not means that not contain any spore. One individual spore can not see by eye. So it is not necessary to spend more than 1ml solution per cake even if its completely look like clean water.
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disco-biscuit
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: eLeSDenes]
#14610065 - 06/14/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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eLeSDenes said: when you inoculate with spores it is going to be a multiculture and yields differently. I would change the TEK to bulk or you can also crumble the cakes, put them in a tray, then put a casing layer on it. As i see you have a nice cluster, you can try to clone it! The syringes that have dark color are usually worse because there are more spores which can carry contaminants. (no spore print are 100% sterile) . The syringes that are completely look like water and you can not see a spore not means that not contain any spore. One individual spore can not see by eye. So it is not necessary to spend more than 1ml solution per cake even if its completely look like clean water.
So all I do is put them in a tray? How do I take care of them? Do they need to be in some sort of fruiting chamber?
Also, if someone could post some links on how to get started with bulk substrates, casing, monotbubs, etc that would be awesome.
Thanks for all the replies!
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: disco-biscuit]
#14610128 - 06/14/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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make a bulk tub with an inch of coir on top, throw it in a moldy basement corner and let it go. you'll be fine. seriously.


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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: uncle bobo]
#14610149 - 06/14/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i'm suprised noone has pointed out the obvious problem..
your cakes are good.. you're sgfc itself it good..
however that 1" of perlite you have in that tub is not helping your grow at all..
at least 4 inches... 5 is better, needs to be moist..
no way in hell your Rh is good at all in that, i'm kinda suprised you got what you got.
they look good though
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: disco-biscuit]
#14610497 - 06/14/11 05:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you choose to put the crumbled cake in a tray, you still need a fruiting chamber. The perlite on the bottom of the fruiting chamber should be about 2" depth and moist. If you have access to hay or straw or coco coir you can easily make bigger trays or a monotub and you can inoculate them with your colonized cakes open air, they fruit better on a bigger surface. Search for monotub or bulk and read:). I started with PF cakes but when i discovered the beauties of the bulks i never went back to cakes. I hope it helps you.
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: eLeSDenes]
#14610705 - 06/14/11 07:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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eLeSDenes said: If you choose to put the crumbled cake in a tray, you still need a fruiting chamber. The perlite on the bottom of the fruiting chamber should be about 2" depth and moist.
where are you all getting that "only needing two inches of perlite" crap?
4-5 inches of moistened perlite
i'd love to see a link.
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: Synocybin]
#14616045 - 06/15/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i did not say 'only', i said 'about'. I don't really think that 4-5" is much better than 2". I have a quite big FC with only 2" perlite and the humidity is 99%. But if yours does not work with less then use more. i suppose everybody have at least a humidity meter so they can adjust if they see the humidity is less then optimal.
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: eLeSDenes]
#14616446 - 06/15/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe you have a high humidity climate but as a general rule for most people 4-5 inches is optimal thats why its recomended
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: steelmonkey]
#14616525 - 06/15/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/723303
Just start spawning cakes to pasteurized hpoo. No pc needed. Yields are better and more potent. Sure poo is better with grains but spawned poo is way better than pf cakes. I only did one pf grow then started to do bulk and have not fruited a cake in a little while now.
I also heard b+ was kinda hit or miss with potency. I like Ecuador's and Penis envy works great with my brf/hpoo grows. Trust me get some of those from sporeworks and you will be super happy.
Edited by criffsk8 (06/15/11 09:40 AM)
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disco-biscuit
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Re: First grow, input and advice needed! [Re: criffsk8]
#14618757 - 06/15/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just bought some new wide mouth half pint jars, the short ones. Finally found them! Used distilled water to mix with the verm, and organic long grain brown rice instead of regular walmart brand. I inoculated 5 jars last night with the last of the B+ syringe, I'll keep this post updated.
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