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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14609849 - 06/14/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

u are jumping to conclusions of what someone believes based off a single statement about a single issue. how is this not twisting?


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14609851 - 06/14/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The role of the federal government is spelled out by the constitution.  I'm sure everyone with an upside down mortgage would love it if the government came and bailed them out of it so that they can continue being irresponsible.  Fortunately, that's not the role of the federal government no matter how many people think it is.



THANK YOU Chuang, meams and zappa, we should get Falcon and Shroomy a pacifier and a spit rag, and we also need a dumbed down version of Mother Suess for these guys, just in case they cannot understand the words clearly written on the paper.



Please show me where this is clearly written in the constitution that it is not allowed.  I'm going to keep asking until I get an answer.

Edit:  I'm NOT agreeing the Government should bail homeowners out.  I'm simply asking where in the constitution this would be illegal.

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We need to dumb it down somehow so that he can understand that if a company pays you more than what you are worth to them that they go out of business and then none of you involved make any money



You twisted my words.  Please show me where I said a company should pay anyone MORE than what someone is worth.

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u twist my words and twist the meaning of what i've said



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Don't twist shit into your own little way



Pileus, you seriously need to learn to use the quote button better, and not make up what other people say.  You do this all the time.

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Unethical?  Whose ethics?  I say schmucks were born to be fleeced.



A difference between liberals and conservatives?  Between the wild west and civiilized society?

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it's in direct contrast to the very idea of "the free market".



So what?  Free market isn't law nor is it in the constitution.




Did you not imply that it was ok to bailout a homeowner in over his head, because the constitution did not say specifically that you cannot? I simply take the words you speak literally and show you your logic at its end outcome.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: broken]
    #14609869 - 06/14/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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u are jumping to conclusions of what someone believes based off a single statement about a single issue. how is this not twisting?




I am basing it on several postings by him about several issues, not any one. It is not twisting when I apply sound logic to his statements and take them to their end.

I am still waiting on that single case of military invasion for exploitation.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609878 - 06/14/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

iraq, afghanistan.


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@PileusSonofGalt- if our gov't had an interest in stopping genocide then why did we not intervene in sierra-leone, tibet, peru, rwanda, somalia, uganda, ethiopia, the philippines, liberia, cambodia, congo, guatemala, yemen, pakistan, libya, indonesia, or laos?




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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14609879 - 06/14/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Have you not previously stated that the bailouts were needed? You said that it was necassary, then you asked where in the constitution that it expressly forbid this, implying that since it was not there that it was ok. Hence, you think that if it is not in the constitution that it is ok.. I am simply taking your statement to its logical end. How is this TWISTING?



You would get an "F" in logic.

I'll tell you how.  I said if the constitution doesn't forbid something, then it's not unconstitutional.  Your conclusion from that was if the constitution doesn't forbid something, then it's not illegal.  My statement is correct.  Your conclusion is incorrect.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609880 - 06/14/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

logic rarely works in the real world spock :spock:


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14609895 - 06/14/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Did you not imply that it was ok to bailout a homeowner in over his head, because the constitution did not say specifically that you cannot?



No, I didn't say it was "ok". I said it wasn't unconstitutional, as ChuangTzu claimed it was.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609901 - 06/14/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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iraq, afghanistan.


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@PileusSonofGalt- if our gov't had an interest in stopping genocide then why did we not intervene in sierra-leone, tibet, peru, rwanda, somalia, uganda, ethiopia, the philippines, liberia, cambodia, congo, guatemala, yemen, pakistan, libya, indonesia, or laos?







We pay Iraq for oil, just like always, and we get nothing form Afghanistan, we have spent more money rebuilding those countries and providing aid than we will ever get from them. How is paying someone for the goods they have and giving them food, medicine, and monetary aid exploitation? Should we have invaded Iraq, no, we should have killed Hussein in 1990 when we had the chance and Afghanistan was harboring terrorists that attacked us. Do you not remember those planes hitting the World Trade Center. By your logic we also invaded Japan for exploitation.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14609912 - 06/14/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I said if the constitution doesn't forbid something, then it's not unconstitutional.




That's mighty vague. Did you mean to say that if the Constitution does not forbid the federal government to do some particular thing, then the federal government may do it without acting unconstitutionally? Because if that is what you meant to say, you are dead wrong. As wrong as wrong can be.

Or did you mean to say that if the Constitution doesn't forbid American citizens to do some particular thing, then American citizens may do that thing without acting unconstitutionally? Because if that is what you meant to say, then your comment - while technically accurate - is meaningless, since citizens can't act unconstitutionally. They can act illegally, or immorally, but not unconstitutionally. Unconstitutionality is a null concept in the context of the actions of individual citizens. 




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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14609914 - 06/14/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yet again, u take one statement, made about one situation, and apply it to a diff situation. your logic is very flawed.





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@PileusSonofGalt- if our gov't had an interest in stopping genocide then why did we not intervene in sierra-leone, tibet, peru, rwanda, somalia, uganda, ethiopia, the philippines, liberia, cambodia, congo, guatemala, yemen, pakistan, libya, indonesia, or laos?







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    #14609942 - 06/14/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I said if the constitution doesn't forbid something, then it's not unconstitutional.




That's mighty vague. Did you mean to say that if the Constitution does not forbid the federal government to do some particular thing, then the federal government may do it without acting unconstitutionally? Because if that is what you meant to say, you are dead wrong. As wrong as wrong can be.



I meant exactly what I said, but I'll also agree with what you thought I meant to say.  Please prove me as wrong as wrong can be.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14609978 - 06/14/11 01:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You would get an "F" in logic.

I'll tell you how.  I said if the constitution doesn't forbid something, then it's not unconstitutional.  Your conclusion from that was if the constitution doesn't forbid something, then it's not illegal.  My statement is correct.  Your conclusion is incorrect.




Is slavery unconstitutional? Yes. Is it stated in the constitution that you cannot own slaves? No.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609983 - 06/14/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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@PileusSonofGalt- if our gov't had an interest in stopping genocide then why did we not intervene in sierra-leone, tibet, peru, rwanda, somalia, uganda, ethiopia, the philippines, liberia, cambodia, congo, guatemala, yemen, pakistan, libya, indonesia, or laos?










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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14610004 - 06/14/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Is slavery unconstitutional? Yes. Is it stated in the constitution that you cannot own slaves? No.



Ummmm... ever read the 13th amendment???  :shrug:


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    #14610011 - 06/14/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Have you not previously stated that the bailouts were needed? You said that it was necessary, then you asked where in the constitution that it expressly forbid this, implying that since it was not there that it was ok. Hence, you think that if it is not in the constitution that it is ok.. I am simply taking your statement to its logical end. How is this TWISTING?



You would get an "F" in logic.

I'll tell you how.  I said if the constitution doesn't forbid something, then it's not unconstitutional.  Your conclusion from that was if the constitution doesn't forbid something, then it's not illegal.  My statement is correct.  Your conclusion is incorrect.




I did not say it was legal, but that you would think it was ok since it was not unconstitutional. You think the bailouts are ok, and because they are not specifically denied in the constitution, then it is constitutional. Slavery is not forbidden in the constitution, yet is is unconstitutional. How was my logic wrong? That damn twisting of words, I tell ya, I need to stop that. I wish I could be more like you and change a word like ok, to legal.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14610013 - 06/14/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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@PileusSonofGalt- if our gov't had an interest in stopping genocide then why did we not intervene in sierra-leone, tibet, peru, rwanda, somalia, uganda, ethiopia, the philippines, liberia, cambodia, congo, guatemala, yemen, pakistan, libya, indonesia, or laos?













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    #14610032 - 06/14/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Is slavery unconstitutional? Yes. Is it stated in the constitution that you cannot own slaves? No.



Ummmm... ever read the 13th amendment???  :shrug:




Yes, it is just that an amendment after the fact.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14610043 - 06/14/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why do you ignore my posts, i'm not on your ignore list? i answered you question, u said u would answer mine, yet... nothing.


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    #14610063 - 06/14/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Did you not imply that it was ok to bailout a homeowner in over his head, because the constitution did not say specifically that you cannot?



No, I didn't say it was "ok". I said it wasn't unconstitutional, as ChuangTzu claimed it was.




Should I call you Alexander Hamilton from now on? If something is not expressly forbidden in the constitution the federal government has no right to assume those powers, if it is not expressly written that the federal government has a right or power then it does not. Saying it is not unconstitutional because it does not directly say so is like saying I can order a steak at McDonalds because the menu does not say I cannot.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14610070 - 06/14/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I did not say it was legal, but that you would think it was ok since it was not unconstitutional.




Once again - just because something is not unconstitutional doesn't mean I think it's ok.  You made that concusion as follows:  I asked "Please show me where this is clearly written in the constitution that it is not allowed.".  You responded with "if you want to use the reasoning that it does not specifically forbid it then it is ok, then you should be ok with having consentual sex with a twelve year old, since it is not explicitly banned."

You switched my word "allowed" (a synonym for "legal") to "ok".

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How was my logic wrong? That damn twisting of words, I tell ya, I need to stop that. I wish I could be more like you and change a word like ok, to legal.



See above.  Although it's not being more like me, it's being you.


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