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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609477 - 06/13/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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but i never used the word fraud! u con't to twist my words and the meaning behind them!




You directly accused them of fraud whether you used the word or not.  Do you, or do you not, believe that banks lie to customers to gain their business?

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the banks may not have broken laws, but what they did was, in my opinion, unethical. how many times do i have to say that?




Are you backpeddling?

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14609489 - 06/13/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why is someone who is not a libertarian, telling some who is to read "the mother of libertarianism". u con't to do nothing more then twist what others say in an attempt to prove them wrong, and never address points others make to u. guess what pal, there is no 'proving' political beliefs. i grow tired of this, it's like arguing with my ex. nothing of value is ever said and the conversation just goes in circles.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14609514 - 06/13/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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but i never used the word fraud! u con't to twist my words and the meaning behind them!




You directly accused them of fraud whether you used the word or not.  Do you, or do you not, believe that banks lie to customers to gain their business?




no. no business would ever lie to a customer :rolleyes:

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the banks may not have broken laws, but what they did was, in my opinion, unethical. how many times do i have to say that?




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Are you backpeddling?





i am i no way back peddling. i have said the same thing over and over and over an over and over and over. u and that other know-it-all attempt to put words in my moth and twist everything i post into something else. i never said they committed fraud. i have posted more then once that what they did my have been legal, but i feel it is unethical. read may post, not the quotes in others posts.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609554 - 06/13/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

closedveil. :facepalm:

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: memes]
    #14609622 - 06/13/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

please quote something, i have no idea why u are facepalming me. because u have diff beliefs then me? because i con't to correct users when they twist my words? what?


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14609631 - 06/13/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The constitution lists only a few specific things that the federal government cannot do.



Exactly.

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It does clearly state, however, that the powers of the federal government are enumerated and that any powers not granted to the federal government by the constitution are powers reserved to the states and the people.



Article one, Section eight, "Powers of Congress" states that the Congress shall have the power to provide for the general welfare of the United States.

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My point was mainly that the federal government can't do whatever the people want whether they have a majority or not--not without changing the constitution at least.



They can do exactly what you specifically said they can't.

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You twisted my words.  Please show me where I said a company should pay anyone MORE than what someone is worth.




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You didn't directly say that a company should pay someone more than someone is worth, you merely re-defined "worth" to suit your purposes




No, I didn't "re-define" worth.  I simply stated my opinion of worth.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14609656 - 06/13/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,
Would you hear my voice come thru the music,
Would you hold it near as it were your own?

It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken,
Perhaps they're better left unsung.
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air.

Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men.

There is a road, no simple highway,
Between the dawn and the dark of night,
And if you go no one may follow,
That path is for your steps alone.

Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.

But if you fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If i knew the way i would take you home.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14609664 - 06/13/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The role of the federal government is spelled out by the constitution.  I'm sure everyone with an upside down mortgage would love it if the government came and bailed them out of it so that they can continue being irresponsible.  Fortunately, that's not the role of the federal government no matter how many people think it is.



THANK YOU Chuang, meams and zappa, we should get Falcon and Shroomy a pacifier and a spit rag, and we also need a dumbed down version of Mother Suess for these guys, just in case they cannot understand the words clearly written on the paper.




I made this comment implying that you were childish, and needed a dumbed down version to make sure you understood it, like the home loans you want.

Please show me where this is clearly written in the constitution that it is not allowed.  I'm going to keep asking until I get an answer.

I do not agree with our constitution on many things, however, if you want to use the reasoning that it does not specifically forbid it then it is ok, then you should be ok with having consentual sex with a twelve year old, since it is not explicitly banned. Our government is not a proper one either, not even close.

Edit:  I'm NOT agreeing the Government should bail homeowners out.  I'm simply asking where in the constitution this would be illegal.

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We need to dumb it down somehow so that he can understand that if a company pays you more than what you are worth to them that they go out of business and then none of you involved make any money



You twisted my words.  Please show me where I said a company should pay anyone MORE than what someone is worth.

You said that McDonalds should have paid you $10 an hour, that was more than you were worth to them.

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u twist my words and twist the meaning of what i've said



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Don't twist shit into your own little way



Pileus, you seriously need to learn to use the quote button better, and not make up what other people say.  You do this all the time.

I agree, instead of typing in the dark outside I should sit in my house under a light, but I like it better on my back porch. Show me one example please of me making up something someone said. It should be easy since I do it all the time. Just one.

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Unethical?  Whose ethics?  I say schmucks were born to be fleeced.



A difference between liberals and conservatives?  Between the wild west and civiilized society?

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it's in direct contrast to the very idea of "the free market".



So what?  Free market isn't law nor is it in the constitution.




You are correct, but it should have bene. Oh wait the constitution does not specifically so it is not allowed so maybe it should be?

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The role of the federal government is spelled out by the constitution.  I'm sure everyone with an upside down mortgage would love it if the government came and bailed them out of it so that they can continue being irresponsible.  Fortunately, that's not the role of the federal government no matter how many people think it is.




THANK YOU Chuang, meams and zappa, we should get Falcon and Shroomy a pacifier and a spit rag, and we also need a dumbed down version of Mother Suess for these guys, just in case they cannot understand the words clearly written on the paper.




I was thanking them for not being a looter or a moocher.

Please show me where this is clearly written in the constitution that it is not allowed.  I'm going to keep asking until I get an answer.

Edit:  I'm NOT agreeing the Government should bail homeowners out.  I'm simply asking where in the constitution this would be illegal.

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We need to dumb it down somehow so that he can understand that if a company pays you more than what you are worth to them that they go out of business and then none of you involved make any money



You twisted my words.  Please show me where I said a company should pay anyone MORE than what someone is worth.

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u twist my words and twist the meaning of what i've said



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Don't twist shit into your own little way



Pileus, you seriously need to learn to use the quote button better, and not make up what other people say.  You do this all the time.

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Unethical?  Whose ethics?  I say schmucks were born to be fleeced.



A difference between liberals and conservatives?  Between the wild west and civiilized society?

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it's in direct contrast to the very idea of "the free market".



So what?  Free market isn't law nor is it in the constitution.



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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609675 - 06/13/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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u all con't to twist what i am saying. i never said the banks committed fraud, nor did i say the forced anyone to sign a mortgage.




Yes, actually you did:

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i say again, the term for someone who use unethical means and lies to take money from someone is a con-man. this is what they do, and they do it well. if you don't think it's unethical to fool someone out of their money, think about it form another point of view: what if u bought drugs from someone, and the drugs turned out to be bunk?






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why didn't u bold the word fraud in my quote? oh right, because it's not in there.




Synonyms, Thesaurus & Antonyms of 'lie' English Synonyms and Antonyms 


1. lie
Deceit is the habit, deception the act; guile applies to the disposition out of which deceit and deception grow, and also to their actual practise. A lie, lying, or falsehood
Synonyms: deception, craft, dissimulation, finesse, lie, cunning, double-dealing, FRAUD, lying, deceit, duplicity, guile, prevarication, deceitfulness, fabrication, hypocrisy, trickery, delusion, falsehood, imposition, untruth

Also, instead of using my quote about our military will you use my line about how I would not trade my last dollar for a million lives?

I think this is what you asked for. I am flattered you used my words for a signature though.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609698 - 06/13/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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why is someone who is not a libertarian, telling some who is to read "the mother of libertarianism". u con't to do nothing more then twist what others say in an attempt to prove them wrong, and never address points others make to u. guess what pal, there is no 'proving' political beliefs. i grow tired of this, it's like arguing with my ex. nothing of value is ever said and the conversation just goes in circles.




I laughed when I read your statement that she is the mother of libertarians, she would roll in her grave if she could hear that now. You obviously have never spent a day reading an of her philosophic works. I have twisted nothing, if I did then could you please show me so that I can be proven wrong? I am not asking you to prove any political belief, I would like to be disproven in any statement I have said.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14609700 - 06/13/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no. that is the quote i put in your rating. i like this one, it's shows how little u know about history. the other shows u care more for money then human life.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609715 - 06/13/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

like i give a fuck what some dead bitch would think of the title others have placed upon her.

what u twist is my words. i say 'fooled' u say 'forced' ect. ect. u know u have done this repeatedly in this threads to me and other users, and it has been pointed out several times.

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i grow tired of this, it's like arguing with my ex. nothing of value is ever said and the conversation just goes in circles.




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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609729 - 06/13/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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please quote something, i have no idea why u are facepalming me. because u have diff beliefs then me? because i con't to correct users when they twist my words? what?



:facepalm:

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609742 - 06/13/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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no. that is the quote i put in your rating. i like this one, it's shows how little u know about history. the other shows u care more for money then human life.




Wow you stil do not understand that money is a direct extension of ones life. D o you not trade your life for dollars when you go to work? I am simply breaking it down to its simplest form for you. I care more about my own life than strangers. That is what you need to understand. Also, please give me a single example of the United States military invading another country for its mineral rights, or personal exploitation. I am pretty sure I read quite a bit more about history than most people, I cannot for the life of me find one example of this. Either way, you can put that in my rating as well, I am proud to choose my life over anothers that I do not know.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609767 - 06/14/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

we also have vastly different views on money.

why should i answer u when u avoid my point in the other thread, where u are dragging this conversation from?

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i grow tired of this, it's like arguing with my ex. nothing of value is ever said and the conversation just goes in circles.







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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609770 - 06/14/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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like i give a fuck what some dead bitch would think of the title others have placed upon her.

what u twist is my words. i say 'fooled' u say 'forced' ect. ect. u know u have done this repeatedly in this threads to me and other users, and it has been pointed out several times.

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i grow tired of this, it's like arguing with my ex. nothing of value is ever said and the conversation just goes in circles.







I never said that you used the word forced, I said that no one forced a person to get a loan they could not afford. That would be the only way a person lending money to another could be unethical. The only people whom have said that I twist or make up things are those of you who cannot and will not defend the statements you have made when called on them. Logic and reason are a bitch are they not? When you can not flimflam your way out you revert to name calling and your twisting argument, like saying that lying to someone is not fraud, arguing semantics is pointless, a lie is fraud by definition. I like this debate, it gives me something to do at night while I wait on the morning to come so I can do some work.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609783 - 06/14/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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we also have vastly different views on money.

why should i answer u when u avoid my point in the other thread, where u are dragging this conversation from?

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i grow tired of this, it's like arguing with my ex. nothing of value is ever said and the conversation just goes in circles.










What point? I will answer you right now any question you want answered.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14609789 - 06/14/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Please show me where this is clearly written in the constitution that it is not allowed.  I'm going to keep asking until I get an answer.




I do not agree with our constitution on many things, however, if you want to use the reasoning that it does not specifically forbid it then it is ok, then you should be ok with having consentual sex with a twelve year old, since it is not explicitly banned.



Where did I say if the constitution does not specifically forbid something then it is ok???  You've got to STOP TWISTING THINGS.  :hulk:

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Show me one example please of me making up something someone said. It should be easy since I do it all the time. Just one.




You're right, it was very easy.

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Free market isn't law nor is it in the constitution.




You are correct, but it should have bene. Oh wait the constitution does not specifically so it is not allowed so maybe it should be?



Where did I say if something was not in the constitution then it should not be allowed?  YOU"VE GOT TO STOP TWISTING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY!  :hulk:


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
    #14609817 - 06/14/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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@PileusSonofGalt- if our gov't had an interest in stopping genocide then why did we not intervene in sierra-leone, tibet, peru, rwanda, somalia, uganda, ethiopia, the philippines, liberia, cambodia, congo, guatemala, yemen, pakistan, libya, indonesia, or laos?




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u all con't to twist what i am saying. i never said the banks committed fraud, nor did i say the forced anyone to sign a mortgage.

i will say this one more time:

1. i feel the risky loans the banks engaged in was unethical. if you don't agree, we simply have different ethics.
2. the ppl who signed mortgages are feeling the full brunt of the recession, while many of the banks got bailed out, even tho each party is equally responsible.
3. i can't "prove" my ethics any more then any of you can. it is like asking me to prove my faith, or my love. impossible. ethics are a belief, a feeling, nothing that can be proven.
4. PileusSonofGalt, i feel your answers are weak and flawed, just as you seem to think the same way of mine.




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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14609831 - 06/14/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Please show me where this is clearly written in the constitution that it is not allowed.  I'm going to keep asking until I get an answer.




I do not agree with our constitution on many things, however, if you want to use the reasoning that it does not specifically forbid it then it is ok, then you should be ok with having consentual sex with a twelve year old, since it is not explicitly banned.



Where did I say if the constitution does not specifically forbid something then it is ok???  You've got to STOP TWISTING THINGS.  :hulk:

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Show me one example please of me making up something someone said. It should be easy since I do it all the time. Just one.




You're right, it was very easy.

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Free market isn't law nor is it in the constitution.




You are correct, but it should have bene. Oh wait the constitution does not specifically so it is not allowed so maybe it should be?



Where did I say if something was not in the constitution then it should not be allowed?  YOU"VE GOT TO STOP TWISTING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY!  :hulk:




Have you not previously stated that the bailouts were needed? You said that it was necassary, then you asked where in the constitution that it expressly forbid this, implying that since it was not there that it was ok. Hence, you think that if it is not in the constitution that it is ok.. I am simply taking your statement to its logical end. How is this TWISTING?

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