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OfflineManianFHS
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Going to the GYM!!!
    #14609678 - 06/13/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Raahhhhh its been some time!

I have been eating really healthy lately, and am so fucking energized. I love this feeling!!

Im going to avoid leg work at the gym because I ride my bike everywhere, about 15 miles a day, what would you gym enthusiasts say about that?


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: ManianFH]
    #14609745 - 06/13/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well, it depends on the reason that you work out. If all around fitness is your main goal, then yeah, thats probably fine. If you're trying to get jacked, then weight training targeting the legs would probably benefit you.


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: ManianFH]
    #14609892 - 06/14/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Legs have low priority at the gym for me...besides my legs already look real good. Chest comes first for me....then back....then arms n shoulders.


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: ManianFH]
    #14610821 - 06/14/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think avoiding leg workouts like squats and deadlifts is a great mistake. One misconception is that deadlifts and squats are solely ''leg'' workouts. Of course they pinpoint your kegs but they are essentially core exercises, which is the most important kind ofexercise.

for example, when you dead lift you will be working your hamstrings, glutes, hip flexors, forearm, lats, traps, and hell... Even bicepts and tricepts. The idea is that you are clinching your entire body. And that my friend is core.

core is truly the most useful training you can do. If you lifted weights and included core I know the benefits would be great. When you have to do physical tasks in your daily life, you will be prepared and risk for injury will be reduced. When you get older sarcopenia (reduced muscle size and strength as a result of aging or inactivity in weight bearing extensor muscles. Usually this is more pronounced in the lower trunk limbs and lower trunk extensores) will be delayed.

squats, deadlifts, bulgarian split squats, dynamic lunge, romanian deadlifts, good mornings. And of course the king of lifts, clean and jerks.

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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: XUL]
    #14611089 - 06/14/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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XUL said:

core is truly the most useful training you can do.



Agreed


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: XUL]
    #14612430 - 06/14/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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XUL said:
I think avoiding leg workouts like squats and deadlifts is a great mistake. One misconception is that deadlifts and squats are solely ''leg'' workouts. Of course they pinpoint your kegs but they are essentially core exercises, which is the most important kind ofexercise.

for example, when you dead lift you will be working your hamstrings, glutes, hip flexors, forearm, lats, traps, and hell... Even bicepts and tricepts. The idea is that you are clinching your entire body. And that my friend is core.

core is truly the most useful training you can do. If you lifted weights and included core I know the benefits would be great. When you have to do physical tasks in your daily life, you will be prepared and risk for injury will be reduced. When you get older sarcopenia (reduced muscle size and strength as a result of aging or inactivity in weight bearing extensor muscles. Usually this is more pronounced in the lower trunk limbs and lower trunk extensores) will be delayed.

squats, deadlifts, bulgarian split squats, dynamic lunge, romanian deadlifts, good mornings. And of course the king of lifts, clean and jerks.

cheers!



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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: XUL]
    #14612589 - 06/14/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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XUL said:
I think avoiding leg workouts like squats and deadlifts is a great mistake. One misconception is that deadlifts and squats are solely ''leg'' workouts. Of course they pinpoint your kegs but they are essentially core exercises, which is the most important kind ofexercise.

for example, when you dead lift you will be working your hamstrings, glutes, hip flexors, forearm, lats, traps, and hell... Even bicepts and tricepts. The idea is that you are clinching your entire body. And that my friend is core.

core is truly the most useful training you can do. If you lifted weights and included core I know the benefits would be great. When you have to do physical tasks in your daily life, you will be prepared and risk for injury will be reduced. When you get older sarcopenia (reduced muscle size and strength as a result of aging or inactivity in weight bearing extensor muscles. Usually this is more pronounced in the lower trunk limbs and lower trunk extensores) will be delayed.

squats, deadlifts, bulgarian split squats, dynamic lunge, romanian deadlifts, good mornings. And of course the king of lifts, clean and jerks.

cheers!




Truth!

I used to be about ABC's. That was it. Had nothing to back up my meaningless mass.

I say never avoid leg workouts, even if you ride your bike.

On a side note, I get insane muscle pump all over my entire body straight after doing squats, which are the first workout I do on a working day. If you are doing them right, they should be working your entire body (arms included to some degree)


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: indica]
    #14613362 - 06/14/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Deadlifts, Olympic Lifts and kettlebells ftw!


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Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14614498 - 06/14/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

XUL and cannashroom are dead on. The musculature of the human body is connected by a thin but very strong sheet of tissue called fascia. Fascia connects all your muscles so by skipping a group (esp. a group as big as legs) you are throwing off everything else. Like XUL stated core is where it all start.

Deads, pullups, squats, and KB swings are what I primarily stick to and can't say I've ever felt better!

Good luck brother, glad to see your at least making it to the gym!

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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: don_vedo]
    #14614721 - 06/14/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think you all misunderstood what I meant...of course squats and dead lifts are good cause they are compound exercises I'm talking about anything that solely focuses on the legs. Still though those do not work the Chest and back too much


Edited by thodub (06/14/11 09:58 PM)


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: thodub]
    #14614812 - 06/14/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the feedback everyone, ill definitely be putting effort into lower body also then :smile:


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: thodub]
    #14614927 - 06/14/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

sorry if i misread you again, but are you saying deadlifts and squats dont work on the chest or back much?!?!?! :confused:


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: indica]
    #14614937 - 06/14/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well Im saying they don't focus primarily on the chest n back...like bench does for chest.

I think that bench is the best exercise you could do for chest aside from maybe cables


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: thodub]
    #14614995 - 06/14/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I think that bench is the best exercise you could do for chest aside from maybe cables




I think you should do a little more reading my friend. Although bench and cables isolate the chest they are not optimal for size and strength. I would imagine you would be able to get a lot more out of your workouts by ceasing to isolate muscle groups and using compound movements to target all areas of your body. Not only will results come faster but it will also be a lot better as far as functional strength is concerned.

Lah'Kesh


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: don_vedo]
    #14615002 - 06/14/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I understand that compound exercises would perhaps give you faster results but I doubt that anything other than cables could come close to efficiently sculpting your chest.


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: thodub]
    #14615020 - 06/14/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think you misunderstand compound lifting all up. My brother has a body that would make most models jealous, and he does no isolation exercise whatsoever, compound lifting only. Sculpted abs, chest, back, arms etc.

In the first chapter of Starting Strength, Rippetoe states the delusion that isolation machines introduced into the fitness world. Everything you will ever need or want for your body can be achieved from compound lifts alone.


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: indica]
    #14615027 - 06/14/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ok?? But Bench for example is a compound exercise....cables also work multiple parts of the chest and arms


Edited by thodub (06/14/11 11:20 PM)


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: thodub]
    #14615040 - 06/14/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I unfortunately used to think the same and no one could tell me otherwise. You will come to find that the fine sculpting comes when you are sculpting the whole instead of a piece. Mess a piece up and you mess the whole thing up. Proportion is the key; the problem with bodybuilding and magazine articles now a days is that it gives lifters the impression that you have now.

Bench is a compound lift, I agree, but should not be used in excess and should not be used until lower body and back are nicely developed. It's all about proportion.

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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: don_vedo]
    #14615092 - 06/14/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

^^ Truth. A friend of mine is fit and quite toned, but all he has ever done has been isolation exercises, which has meant that for the past few years he has spent hours each day in the gym doing 10+ unnecessary isolation workouts. A few months ago he was complaining that his pectorals were getting too big.

I got him onto compound lifting and straight away he is seeing the benefits of it and 'all-rounder' benefits and is slowly dropping his isolation exercises. Some people just don't want to hear it though, they go "oh I want bigger arms" so they do curls and curls and tricep extensions and end up looking fucking ridiculous, with no strength either. So many people don't want to understand that to get bigger arms as well as a proportionate body and massive amounts of actual REAL strength that can all be achieved from 1 or 2 compound exercises as opposed to the 10+ isolations they do, if not just the 20 sets of curls and 20 sets of bench or cables they do every day.

I have to hold my tongue every time I go to the gym, I want to help some people but they just don't want to hear it, and I'll come across as a dick.

Spot-on with the magazines and whatnot giving people really wrong ideas, too.


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: indica]
    #14616596 - 06/15/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yah xk I finally stopped going to the gym. I would just find myself getting to worked up over all the guys hitting curls and then looking in the mirror like they just achieved something; not complaining about that until they go over to the squat rack and do 8 sets with 115lbs, while I'm stuck waiting. Took me over an hour for a work out I can now do at home in less then 45 minutes!

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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: don_vedo]
    #14616645 - 06/15/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yah xk I finally stopped going to the gym. I would just find myself getting to worked up over all the guys hitting curls and then looking in the mirror like they just achieved something; not complaining about that until they go over to the squat rack and do 8 sets with 115lbs, while I'm stuck waiting. Took me over an hour for a work out I can now do at home in less then 45 minutes!

Lah'Kesh



Yeah, I avoid the gym during the times when most people are there. I'll go late morning or early afternoon and there are usually only a few other people there.

If I go around 5-6pm it is like a fucking zoo of people. I hate having to wait when rotating muscle groups.


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: Solemente]
    #14616889 - 06/15/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That's a great analogy, the gym I used to go to really did remind me of a zoo!

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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: don_vedo]
    #14617882 - 06/15/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i almost get amused by the brofags. haha. like i've said, im one of few lifters in my gym, all the other guys do curls and crunches all morning.

i still feel like an idiot for paying $600 a year to into a room and lift a heavy bar three times a week, though.


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Re: Going to the GYM!!! [Re: indica]
    #14617942 - 06/15/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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xk3m_indica said:
^^ Truth. A friend of mine is fit and quite toned, but all he has ever done has been isolation exercises, which has meant that for the past few years he has spent hours each day in the gym doing 10+ unnecessary isolation workouts. A few months ago he was complaining that his pectorals were getting too big.

I got him onto compound lifting and straight away he is seeing the benefits of it and 'all-rounder' benefits and is slowly dropping his isolation exercises. Some people just don't want to hear it though, they go "oh I want bigger arms" so they do curls and curls and tricep extensions and end up looking fucking ridiculous, with no strength either. So many people don't want to understand that to get bigger arms as well as a proportionate body and massive amounts of actual REAL strength that can all be achieved from 1 or 2 compound exercises as opposed to the 10+ isolations they do, if not just the 20 sets of curls and 20 sets of bench or cables they do every day.

I have to hold my tongue every time I go to the gym, I want to help some people but they just don't want to hear it, and I'll come across as a dick.

Spot-on with the magazines and whatnot giving people really wrong ideas, too.




So fucking true man. I just ignore those people, let them get on with it. They have the internet at home, they can inform themselves if they choose, or they can continue to train in ignorance. Doesn't bother me. Deadlift FTW!


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