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31okiL
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Morning Glory
#14609459 - 06/13/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is making morning glory tea enough to extract all the poison? More importantly, is there any case of someone dying from morning glory seeds?
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: 31okiL]
#14609529 - 06/13/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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have people seriously never been to erowid.org
no you will get sick still
if you strain the seeds you will not have a headache, fish eye view or have the counter effecting lsa effect
3 chemicals in the seeds 2 are bad
the 2 left are stuck in the water so unless you have some ethonal id give up on the pure lsa from it
just put the seeds in a coffie grinder then ad to water (not hot water) almost not even warm like room temp or less its a delicate chem
edit: wash the seeds in soapy water before anything is done to them to remove any pesticides
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: JilPil]
#14609535 - 06/13/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would I die though
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: 31okiL]
#14609541 - 06/13/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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no but just grind the seeds small and strain them after a reallly reallly long soak to remove the countereffect
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: JilPil]
#14609570 - 06/13/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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most seeds are coated in a chem to make you have a bad stomach ache and get nauseous. ive always just soaked the whole seed in hot water for 30 min then washed them with cool water. then grind and extract
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trashcansean said: most seeds are coated in a chem to make you have a bad stomach ache and get nauseous. i've always just soaked the whole seed in hot water for 30 min then washed them with cool water. then grind and extract
and they'd put lead in paint to keep people from licking them
no as i said there are 3 thing in the sees one makes you trip, one makes you sick, the other gives you a headache and fish eye vision that degrades the lsa effects
they do not put a chemical on the outside of seeds to get people sick that's a rumor
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: JilPil]
#14609972 - 06/14/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Which of these chemicals does a CWE remove? I've heard the nausea is just as bad with CWE as it is with eating untreated seeds. On the package of the seeds I got, it says they are untreated. I also plan on having ginger tea before and after consuming the seeds to counteract the nausea. Is ethanol the only way to really remove all of the chemicals and extract the LSA?
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: JilPil]
#14610039 - 06/14/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ahmcarri said: as i said there are 3 thing in the sees one makes you trip, one makes you sick, the other gives you a headache and fish eye vision that degrades the lsa effects
they do not put a chemical on the outside of seeds to get people sick that's a rumor
I don't believe you. can you find the name of these chemicals you're talking about?
and i know you're mistaken about 'one causing fish eye vision' have you done an extraction and tested the different chemicals?
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: jingus]
#14610415 - 06/14/11 04:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_faq.shtml
CHEMICAL HYPOTHESIS AND ALTERNATIVE PREPARATIONS Q. I tried morning glory seeds and only got a headache and blurred vision. Q. I tried morning glory seeds and got sick to my stomach Q. What do you know about this anyway?
A.My personal experience with morning glory seeds began in June of 1958, the day I graduated from eighth grade. Herb Caen had written something to the effect that "If you eat 100 morning glory seeds, you will go to morning glory heaven. Heavenly Blues, Pearly Gates, and Flying Saucers will do the trick.." A friend of mine had read this and invited a bunch of people to her house to try it out. I was the only person who managed to eat a full hundred, but probably didn't chew them enough and had only mild effects. Since then I have tried many ways of preparing them, and this is far and away the best. There are a number of approaches that are downright horrible.
Based on my experiences I believe the following to be true (though am wide-open to getting "scientific"/factual refutation/corroboration. In addition to the lysergic amides present in the seeds, there are two chemicals or chemical complexes which are toxic. One of these, relatively mild, is associated with nausea and is contained in the seed pulp. This is soluble in water and will form long 'strands' in it which are clearly visible. This material can be processed into a kind of 'soap' which lathers somewhat. It is not soluble in alcohol nor petroleum ether. This is evidenced by soaking the spent powder in water.
A second chemical or complex is much more malicious. Ingesting it results in headache, blurred and 'fish-eye' vision, and it also seems to counteract the psychedelic effect. For lack of a better term with the expectation that it is chemically non-descriptive, we will call this the 'strychnine effect' and the associated compound(s) the 'strychnine factor'. This factor is contained in the seed husk and is miscible with petroleum ether but only slightly soluble in water. If you chew the seeds you break the husk but do not usually chew it well enough to digest. Same thing if you pulverize the seeds with a hammer or similiar instrument before eating or swallowing. In both cases, the 'strychnine effect' is not observed except as background. However the high is not as lucid and bright as when the factor is removed. On the other hand, if you grind the seeds into powder and do not remove the 'styrchnine factor' with petroleum ether (or other solvent(?)) but ingest the powder itself, you will experience the 'strychnine effect' in great and unpleasant intensity. If you put the powder in water, filter the water, and drink it (effectively the traditional method for indigenous peoples), the nausea factor will be pronounced, but the 'strychnine effect' will be weak.
The only approach that effectively eliminates both side-effects is the one described above. The additional benefits provided by this method beyond the immediate high effect will be discussed in Part 2.0.0 of this FAQ.
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erowid was made so that you do not have to ask a mushroom web sight about morning glory seedsQuote:
trashcansean said: most seeds are coated in a chem to make you have a bad stomach ache and get nauseous. ive always just soaked the whole seed in hot water for 30 min then washed them with cool water. then grind and extract
and to rest this myth of putting chemicals to purposely make people sick who eat them
Glycoside In this case, the aglycone contains a cyanide group. In many plants, these glycosides are stored in the vacuole but if the plant is attacked they are released and become activated by enzymes in the cytoplasm. These remove the sugar part of the molecule and release toxic hydrogen cyanide. Storing them in inactive forms in the cytoplasm prevents them from damaging the plant under normal conditions
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: JilPil]
#14611365 - 06/14/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some seeds are most definetly coated with a chemical. Ive seen warning labels right on the back bottom of the seed packs or bags. anyway if they have the warning, before you use whatever tek you are going to just soak them in warm water for 30 minutes.
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trashcansean said: Some seeds are most definetly coated with a chemical. Ive seen warning labels right on the back bottom of the seed packs or bags. anyway if they have the warning, before you use whatever tek you are going to just soak them in warm water for 30 minutes.
scrub them with soapy water. pesticides mostly cause brain damage, birth defects, cancer, and tumors. most of the time the bag says "use seeds for intended purpose only".
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: JilPil]
#14612751 - 06/14/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Better yet, just buy organic non-treated seeds. If you get them online from a good source they are a lot cheaper, more potent, and won't have any nasty pesticides or anything.
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fluffyrhinos said: Better yet, just buy organic non-treated seeds. If you get them online from a good source they are a lot cheaper, more potent, and won't have any nasty pesticides or anything.
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: BlindBat]
#14612872 - 06/14/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Either go the whole 9 yards and extract the LSA into grain alcohol. Or just eat the seeds.
The half assed ways remove a lot of goodies IME and aren't worth it.
I've done 10-20 HBWR seeds in CWE and sublingual... Nowhere near as powerful as when I just ate 6 of them.
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: BlindBat]
#14614565 - 06/14/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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BlindBat said: To be fair to others in this thread or with questions, you're quoting a single person's experience on erowid as facts of chemistry in which the original author states it is not at all scientific and is in fact asking for some scientific backup. So the person who doesn't believe has reason to not believe you. Saying definitively there are 3 chemicals with these specific effects is far from being an authoritative and true statement. That post on erowid is just some dude positing an idea, not stating facts.
nothing you said there was fact, i mean your just some dude posting an idea.
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: JilPil]
#14615089 - 06/14/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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1. Wash in soapy water, then rise
2. Grind seeds
3. Place seeds in plastic cup with lid and one cup of water
4. Soak for one hour and shake, shake, shake
5. Drain all seed pulp, drinking only liquid
I make sure to not eat any seeds or seed matter. Only drinking the brown liquid.
I have never been sick.
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Re: Morning Glory [Re: klopi123]
#14615282 - 06/15/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess my main question here would be whether a CWE would be worth doing versus just eating the seeds. This whole fisheye experience sounds extremely unpleasant. I've got about 10.5g of heavenly blue morning glory seeds, and I was wondering if the CWE really does reduce potency significantly. Ginger would cover the nausea, and I'm not really worried about that, but if it's true that there is a third compound that causes unpleasant headaches and such, would a CWE succeed in filtering that out without a significant loss in potency? I don't really want to invest the time and money into a full blown extraction process, and using potentially dangerous chemicals in extraction just sounds sketchy to me.
I suppose what I'm asking in short is if a CWE reduces the potency so significantly that a 10.5g dose with a CWE would be insufficient compared to a 10.5g dose without any extraction techniques. I made sure my seeds are untreated, as it says so on the package. Any advice here would be extremely helpful.
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just use erowid man is all i can say or find a lsa forum they would know more than us most likely
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Psilosomniac said: I guess my main question here would be whether a CWE would be worth doing versus just eating the seeds. This whole fisheye experience sounds extremely unpleasant. I've got about 10.5g of heavenly blue morning glory seeds, and I was wondering if the CWE really does reduce potency significantly. Ginger would cover the nausea, and I'm not really worried about that, but if it's true that there is a third compound that causes unpleasant headaches and such, would a CWE succeed in filtering that out without a significant loss in potency? I don't really want to invest the time and money into a full blown extraction process, and using potentially dangerous chemicals in extraction just sounds sketchy to me.
I suppose what I'm asking in short is if a CWE reduces the potency so significantly that a 10.5g dose with a CWE would be insufficient compared to a 10.5g dose without any extraction techniques. I made sure my seeds are untreated, as it says so on the package. Any advice here would be extremely helpful. 
Here is how I view it. I have both eaten the seeds straight and done cold water extractions. Sure there is some loss in potency, but that is by far my favorite method of ingestion. And the losses in potency, should be minimal if the extraction is done right. If it is a half-assed CWE, well thats a different story. When I eat the seeds straight, it isn't just the nausea, but the overall discomfort that lasts the whole time ruins the trip. It's not to say that the experience is less fun, but it is alot more fun, IME, when doing a CWE, regardless of dose. Not to mention that a CWE is easier to consume, I find anyways. Those seeds taste like ass and you have to chew them well, a CWE is just chugging a bad(but not awful) tasting drink and then you are done.
And to answer your question more directly. IMO, if a proper and efficient CWE is done, than the small losses in potency are easily overshadowed by the advantages of doing the extraction.
Hope this helps!
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ahmcarri said: just use erowid man is all i can say or find a lsa forum they would know more than us most likely
Erowid seems to have little information regarding Heavenly Blues. I did take a look, and found a couple of techniques, but I've also read radically differing viewpoints. I've read about people who eat the seeds straight up and are fine, but I've also read about people who swear by the CWE, and claim that simply eating them is the worst thing you could do. I'm leaning towards the CWE, but I am concerned about loss of potency. I've read that you should let it soak in water for about 45 minutes, but some recommend 5 hours. Still, others say any longer than an hour reduces potency. I'm a bit confused about this, because everybody seems to contradict each other. Morning Glories are just so confusing. 
That's why I come on here and ask. I suppose I'm still going to get conflicting opinions. I'm also a bit foggy on just how fine the powder needs to be for a CWE, because I've read that it needs to be very fine, but others say if it's too fine it won't work well. That along with how long they need to be soaked in the water for is very unclear.
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Psilosomniac said: I guess my main question here would be whether a CWE would be worth doing versus just eating the seeds. This whole fisheye experience sounds extremely unpleasant. I've got about 10.5g of heavenly blue morning glory seeds, and I was wondering if the CWE really does reduce potency significantly. Ginger would cover the nausea, and I'm not really worried about that, but if it's true that there is a third compound that causes unpleasant headaches and such, would a CWE succeed in filtering that out without a significant loss in potency? I don't really want to invest the time and money into a full blown extraction process, and using potentially dangerous chemicals in extraction just sounds sketchy to me.
I suppose what I'm asking in short is if a CWE reduces the potency so significantly that a 10.5g dose with a CWE would be insufficient compared to a 10.5g dose without any extraction techniques. I made sure my seeds are untreated, as it says so on the package. Any advice here would be extremely helpful. 
Here is how I view it. I have both eaten the seeds straight and done cold water extractions. Sure there is some loss in potency, but that is by far my favorite method of ingestion. And the losses in potency, should be minimal if the extraction is done right. If it is a half-assed CWE, well thats a different story. When I eat the seeds straight, it isn't just the nausea, but the overall discomfort that lasts the whole time ruins the trip. It's not to say that the experience is less fun, but it is alot more fun, IME, when doing a CWE, regardless of dose. Not to mention that a CWE is easier to consume, I find anyways. Those seeds taste like ass and you have to chew them well, a CWE is just chugging a bad(but not awful) tasting drink and then you are done.
And to answer your question more directly. IMO, if a proper and efficient CWE is done, than the small losses in potency are easily overshadowed by the advantages of doing the extraction.
Hope this helps! 
Thank you sir. This does help clear up the bit regarding potency. If you don't mind me asking, how long do you recommend letting the seeds sit? To my understanding, the process goes like this:
1.Grind the seeds up to a fine (but not too fine) powder. -What exactly constitutes too fine? I suppose this means it shouldn't be able to fall through a tea bag, though that seems difficult to achieve in itself.
2.Put ground up seeds into tea bag and submerge in cool distilled water.
3.Let mixture sit in the fridge covered in tin foil to avoid degradation of LSA by light. Disturb the tea bag every 15 minutes or so to aid the extraction process. -My problem here is timing, because I've read it should sit for anywhere from 1-72 hours. Would an hour be sufficient time, granted I intervene every 15 minutes or so to stir the mixture a bit?
4.Trash tea bag and consume water.
I really appreciate the answers here, because I know they've all been answered numerous times. It's just that, like I said, I've heard extremely conflicting things about morning glories, and I'm unsure of what is necessary and what is just for good measure.
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Thank you sir. This does help clear up the bit regarding potency. If you don't mind me asking, how long do you recommend letting the seeds sit? To my understanding, the process goes like this:
1.Grind the seeds up to a fine (but not too fine) powder. -What exactly constitutes too fine? I suppose this means it shouldn't be able to fall through a tea bag, though that seems difficult to achieve in itself.
2.Put ground up seeds into tea bag and submerge in cool distilled water.
3.Let mixture sit in the fridge covered in tin foil to avoid degradation of LSA by light. Disturb the tea bag every 15 minutes or so to aid the extraction process. -My problem here is timing, because I've read it should sit for anywhere from 1-72 hours. Would an hour be sufficient time, granted I intervene every 15 minutes or so to stir the mixture a bit?
4.Trash tea bag and consume water.
I really appreciate the answers here, because I know they've all been answered numerous times. It's just that, like I said, I've heard extremely conflicting things about morning glories, and I'm unsure of what is necessary and what is just for good measure.
The tea bag thing works fine, but I find it annoying and unnecessary to prepare tea bags. I use a similar process. I grind up the seeds in a coffee grinder, only being careful not expose them too much light or heat(if it is an electric grinder). I assume the finer the grind the better, but like you said, you don't want it falling through the straining device. I personally never really care to grind up the seeds extra well. I know it will help, but it seems marginal. I grind them once with my hand coffee grinder and I think it's fine. I then put the ground up seeds in bottled water(no tea bag, just seeds in water), wrap the bottle in foil, add a few squirts of lemon juice for acidity which will help extract all the goodies. Then all this goes in the fridge for a little while, after which you strain it and drink the water(all in as little light as possible). I dunno if it makes much of a difference, but I have had slightly better results using the bigger bottles of water(.75L-1L if memory serves me correctly rather than .5L).
The time issue is also one that I am unsure of. I have heard people say there is no reason to extract longer than one hour. IME, this doesn't work well. I let it sit for 2-3 hours mixing it violently every 15 minutes, as you mentioned. Some people say that you need at least 24 hours to extract everything, but I find this hard to believe. I personally have never done it, so I can't say much, but 3 hours has always provided a plenty potent mixture. My usual plan is wake up early, prepare the extraction, then go shower and whatever while it sits in the fridge. I then drink and have the whole day to trip 
And you are right, morning glories have a lot of conflicting info on them. I remember first researching them and preparing the CWE for the first and time and thinking this is bound to fail. I still have no idea what is the "best" way to do it, but that is how I do it and it works absolutely fine for me. Every time I try something different, I end up puking or something bad. If it ain't broke don't fix it, so I'm gonna stick with this. I hope it works for you!
Another quick note: IME, morning glories vary in potency quite a bit. I get organic, non-treated seeds, because they are consistently the best. But I have also gotten good seeds at K-Mart or Fred Meyers. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you have to find consistent seeds, and a very weak CWE, may have simply been the result of crap seeds and nothing more. Don't simply think about changing the ingestion technique if it doesn't work, make sure you are getting good seeds too. I don't think there is anyway to know until you eat them yourself and find out the most fun way!
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fluffyrhinos said: The tea bag thing works fine, but I find it annoying and unnecessary to prepare tea bags. I use a similar process. I grind up the seeds in a coffee grinder, only being careful not expose them too much light or heat(if it is an electric grinder). I assume the finer the grind the better, but like you said, you don't want it falling through the straining device. I personally never really care to grind up the seeds extra well. I know it will help, but it seems marginal. I grind them once with my hand coffee grinder and I think it's fine. I then put the ground up seeds in bottled water(no tea bag, just seeds in water), wrap the bottle in foil, add a few squirts of lemon juice for acidity which will help extract all the goodies. Then all this goes in the fridge for a little while, after which you strain it and drink the water(all in as little light as possible). I dunno if it makes much of a difference, but I have had slightly better results using the bigger bottles of water(.75L-1L if memory serves me correctly rather than .5L).
The time issue is also one that I am unsure of. I have heard people say there is no reason to extract longer than one hour. IME, this doesn't work well. I let it sit for 2-3 hours mixing it violently every 15 minutes, as you mentioned. Some people say that you need at least 24 hours to extract everything, but I find this hard to believe. I personally have never done it, so I can't say much, but 3 hours has always provided a plenty potent mixture. My usual plan is wake up early, prepare the extraction, then go shower and whatever while it sits in the fridge. I then drink and have the whole day to trip 
Thanks for the info! I always hate waking up early, but hey, they are Morning Glories!  Perhaps I'll do this method and allow it to extract for 2-3 hours.
I've got 2 ginger tea bags, so I think I'll drink some ginger tea about a half hour before and half hour after consuming the water. If I understand correctly, this should eliminate any nausea. Vasoconstriction also sounds like it could be an issue, as I get frequent headrushes when I stand up. I suppose I'll just have to be careful not to get up too fast and such.
Thanks again for the help. We shall see how this goes. I might not even be able to do it tomorrow. Depends on how early I get up.
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fluffyrhinos said: The tea bag thing works fine, but I find it annoying and unnecessary to prepare tea bags. I use a similar process. I grind up the seeds in a coffee grinder, only being careful not expose them too much light or heat(if it is an electric grinder). I assume the finer the grind the better, but like you said, you don't want it falling through the straining device. I personally never really care to grind up the seeds extra well. I know it will help, but it seems marginal. I grind them once with my hand coffee grinder and I think it's fine. I then put the ground up seeds in bottled water(no tea bag, just seeds in water), wrap the bottle in foil, add a few squirts of lemon juice for acidity which will help extract all the goodies. Then all this goes in the fridge for a little while, after which you strain it and drink the water(all in as little light as possible). I dunno if it makes much of a difference, but I have had slightly better results using the bigger bottles of water(.75L-1L if memory serves me correctly rather than .5L).
The time issue is also one that I am unsure of. I have heard people say there is no reason to extract longer than one hour. IME, this doesn't work well. I let it sit for 2-3 hours mixing it violently every 15 minutes, as you mentioned. Some people say that you need at least 24 hours to extract everything, but I find this hard to believe. I personally have never done it, so I can't say much, but 3 hours has always provided a plenty potent mixture. My usual plan is wake up early, prepare the extraction, then go shower and whatever while it sits in the fridge. I then drink and have the whole day to trip 
Thanks for the info! I always hate waking up early, but hey, they are Morning Glories!  Perhaps I'll do this method and allow it to extract for 2-3 hours.
I've got 2 ginger tea bags, so I think I'll drink some ginger tea about a half hour before and half hour after consuming the water. If I understand correctly, this should eliminate any nausea. Vasoconstriction also sounds like it could be an issue, as I get frequent headrushes when I stand up. I suppose I'll just have to be careful not to get up too fast and such.
Thanks again for the help. We shall see how this goes. I might not even be able to do it tomorrow. Depends on how early I get up. 
Niacin, NOT the non-flush kind, and garlic help with vasoconstriction. So does Gingko Biloba. I have low blood pressure and get head rush a lot, I find that a little lick of salt off my hand raises my blood pressure instantly, so you could try that too. Ginger is great for the nausea, but I usually smoke some bud as well because it really synergizes well with the LSA and makes the experience that much better, plus it instantly cures the nausea for me.
And most importantly. Good vibes and have fun!!
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I have seriously like 5000 MG seeds, and I still havent tripped on them yet. I plan on it soon though, I just got back into my groove of wanting to trip
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Thanks for the info and good vibes, fluffyrhinos. Rated you a good 5 mushrooms. Just consumed my CWE of 10.5g seeds. So as to not hijack this thread, OP, I'll let you know how it goes to help answer your question. My technique was pretty simple. We'll see how it goes!
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Tell us how it goes Greg. I'm looking for a good starter amount, and I was actually considering just like 200-400 seeds
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Bleh, 15 minutes in and nausea has started to settle. Thinking of consuming the second cup of ginger tea for this. The taste really wasn't all that bad until the very end. It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be. I used a little less than a half liter of water for this, and it still wasn't that bad tasting. I think less water is good because it's less to consume and easier on your stomach. Going to make that ginger tea now.
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fluffyrhinos said: Better yet, just buy organic non-treated seeds. If you get them online from a good source they are a lot cheaper, more potent, and won't have any nasty pesticides or anything.
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i think its a myth
a lot of people puke on the non-treated too.
and ime they both make you feel sick. im not saying to go take lsa bc i didnt die, but i got the ones from the hardware store and def am still here after 25+ times..
tragar's experiments are a legend on the www in regards to lsa.. please read and bookmark if you like lsa
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8446365/fpart/1/vc/1
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Psilosomniac said: Bleh, 15 minutes in and nausea has started to settle. Thinking of consuming the second cup of ginger tea for this. The taste really wasn't all that bad until the very end. It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be. I used a little less than a half liter of water for this, and it still wasn't that bad tasting. I think less water is good because it's less to consume and easier on your stomach. Going to make that ginger tea now. 
Ginger tea will definitely help, though let it cool a bit before drinking it so as to not have terribly hot liquid destroying the LSA in your stomach. By the time you start tripping the nausea will be no more so you only have to hold out a little longer!
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fluffyrhinos said: Better yet, just buy organic non-treated seeds. If you get them online from a good source they are a lot cheaper, more potent, and won't have any nasty pesticides or anything.
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i think its a myth
a lot of people puke on the non-treated too.
and ime they both make you feel sick. im not saying to go take lsa bc i didnt die, but i got the ones from the hardware store and def am still here after 25+ times..
tragar's experiments are a legend on the www in regards to lsa.. please read and bookmark if you like lsa
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8446365/fpart/1/vc/1
You still get nausea on non-treated seeds, but not any pesticides or anything which increase the nausea and are just plain bad for you. Though I don't think anyone has ever died from eating them, so unless someone can provide a link, can we put these rumors to rest. The reason for the organic, non-treated seeds is that they are significantly more potent.
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fluffyrhinos said: Better yet, just buy organic non-treated seeds. If you get them online from a good source they are a lot cheaper, more potent, and won't have any nasty pesticides or anything.
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i think its a myth
a lot of people puke on the non-treated too.
and ime they both make you feel sick. im not saying to go take lsa bc i didnt die, but i got the ones from the hardware store and def am still here after 25 times..
tragar's experiments are a legend on the www in regards to lsa.. please read and bookmark if you like lsa
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8446365/fpart/1/vc/1
My seeds were untreated and unmodified, and I'm still getting a bit of nausea even with ginger tea. Hopefully I won't end up throwing it all up. 
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Yeah, ginger tea isn't the most delicious tasting tea I've had, to say the least. I let it steep for 10 minutes, and I'm going to wait another 15 minutes before I drink it. How long do you suppose it'll be before the upset stomach subsides? An hour or two?
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Psilosomniac said: Yeah, ginger tea isn't the most delicious tasting tea I've had, to say the least. I let it steep for 10 minutes, and I'm going to wait another 15 minutes before I drink it. How long do you suppose it'll be before the upset stomach subsides? An hour or two?
I'd say no more than an hour. I generally only get a very small amount of nausea at the beginning, but for all my friends who do it, the nausea is usually gone an hour to an hour and a half after ingestion. I've never puked either, but from what I've heard, as soon as you puke the trip is instantly better and very enjoyable. So hold it down as long as you can, but if it comes to puking, don't fret.
Also, you consumed it a half hour ago. LSA has a very gentle and slow come up, but you should be feeling it shortly.
Enjoy!
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Psilosomniac said: Yeah, ginger tea isn't the most delicious tasting tea I've had, to say the least. I let it steep for 10 minutes, and I'm going to wait another 15 minutes before I drink it. How long do you suppose it'll be before the upset stomach subsides? An hour or two?
I'd say no more than an hour. I generally only get a very small amount of nausea at the beginning, but for all my friends who do it, the nausea is usually gone an hour to an hour and a half after ingestion. I've never puked either, but from what I've heard, as soon as you puke the trip is instantly better and very enjoyable. So hold it down as long as you can, but if it comes to puking, don't fret.
Also, you consumed it a half hour ago. LSA has a very gentle and slow come up, but you should be feeling it shortly.
Enjoy! 
Thanks again! I don't know if it's just because I love the Black Keys a lot, but I am seriously enjoying listening to them right now. 
Starting to feel a little bit better, though I'm starting to feel a little bit heavy and mildly tired. Really don't feel like drinking that tea, but I think it'll help finish off the nausea, so I will in a few minutes when I can bring myself to drink something. Definitely still feel a little sick, but it's starting to subside. I might have to try that salt you were talking about to combat vasoconstriction. Feeling a bit lightheaded now. Do you recommend just licking a dash of salt from your hand?
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Psilosomniac said: Yeah, ginger tea isn't the most delicious tasting tea I've had, to say the least. I let it steep for 10 minutes, and I'm going to wait another 15 minutes before I drink it. How long do you suppose it'll be before the upset stomach subsides? An hour or two?
I'd say no more than an hour. I generally only get a very small amount of nausea at the beginning, but for all my friends who do it, the nausea is usually gone an hour to an hour and a half after ingestion. I've never puked either, but from what I've heard, as soon as you puke the trip is instantly better and very enjoyable. So hold it down as long as you can, but if it comes to puking, don't fret.
Also, you consumed it a half hour ago. LSA has a very gentle and slow come up, but you should be feeling it shortly.
Enjoy! 
Thanks again! I don't know if it's just because I love the Black Keys a lot, but I am seriously enjoying listening to them right now. 
Starting to feel a little bit better, though I'm starting to feel a little bit heavy and mildly tired. Really don't feel like drinking that tea, but I think it'll help finish off the nausea, so I will in a few minutes when I can bring myself to drink something. Definitely still feel a little sick, but it's starting to subside. I might have to try that salt you were talking about to combat vasoconstriction. Feeling a bit lightheaded now. Do you recommend just licking a dash of salt from your hand?
Yea, it's just something my dad showed me that helps. Just put a pinch of salt on your palm and lick it off. Simple as that. And if you do have any garlic or niacin(vitamin B3) pills lying around, those will help too.
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So I tried the salt trick, and it seemed to help a little. Not sure if it's a placebo or not, but I couldn't find any information online about it.
Still have some pretty weird nausea. Felt really cold and put on a sweatshirt, even though its a fairly warm day here in the bay area. Couldn't bring myself to drink the rest of that tea. Bleh. Still not feeling any pronounced effects, just nausea and vasoconstriction. I read the onset could take as long as 3 hours, though, so I'm still waiting patiently and optimistically.
Honestly, though, if throwing up would get rid of all the nausea and start the trip, I'd be all for it. 
I'll keep you posted.
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i can tell youre not going to trip like you think
if youre experience being heavy you wont enjoy it without peppermint extract..
i dont know the properties of chemicals or reactions of enzymes but something with combining lsa and peppermint makes the trip have "headspace"
what i get from lsa, by itself, is strange visuals when i stare at patterns but no headspace 
i dont like to trip without headspace..
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if youre experience being heavy you wont enjoy it without peppermint extract..
i dont know the properties of chemicals or reactions of enzymes but something with combining lsa and peppermint makes the trip have "headspace"
what i get from lsa, by itself, is strange visuals when i stare at patterns but no headspace 
i dont like to trip without headspace..
Yea, LSA is incredibly clearheaded. I no longer trip on LSA without smoking weed, because the experience is just to mild for me. LSA + weed = a great experience every time though.
VicariousGreg, if you are still having nausea and no real effects, I would suggest smoking some bud. It will make the experience significantly better.
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Yeah, I just rested for a few minutes and I think I got through the worst of the nausea. Been a little over 2 hours since I drank the extract, and still not really any visual effects or euphoria. I know I did my best to avoid light and heat exposure for the extraction. Maybe I didn't let it sit for long enough. I let it sit for about an hour and 15 minutes, stirring every 15 minutes. It was 10.8 grams (I mistakenly said 10.5 grams earlier), so I don't think it was the dosage. I bought them probably about 6-8 weeks ago and stored them in a cool dark place. Must have either been a bad batch, or I must have done a poor job at extracting them. I suppose I still have about an hour left to see what happens. I don't have any weed to smoke, unfortunately.
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So it's been a little over 2 and a half hours and I've got nothing. Nausea is about 95% gone, and I'm going to get something to eat. Pupils are not dilated at all, so my conclusion is that they were either a poor batch or my extraction was either not long enough or done in poor conditions. I did a reasonable job in keeping light and heat away, so I'm guessing it was either not long enough, or a bad batch.
I guess in response to OP's question, a cold water extraction is not enough to subside all the negative effects. The extraction should probably be done for longer than an hour, as I suspect that was the reason why it didn't work for me. It was extremely unpleasant for me in the beginning, and I can't imagine just eating the seeds would be all that much worse (or maybe it would just be even more horrible and disgusting). I hope you have better luck than I did.
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I'm sorry to hear that after all that you didn't get effects. Try it again when you get the chance and change some of the variables(length of extraction, source of seeds, etc). Too many people I think, only try it once, and then give up. I promise that when you get it right, it is a very fun experience!
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Perhaps some time in the future I'll give it a try. If I do, I'll probably end up trying HBWS. Everybody seems to recommend those over Morning Glories. What do you think?
I have a pretty limited experience with psychedelics. I used to smoke weed fairly infrequently, then I tried mushrooms once in April. I've got a lot to experience out there. I'm thinking I might end up trying LSD sometime. Once mushroom season comes back, I will definitely have to go hunting. Here in the Bay Area, I hear it's hard not to find any in the right season. 
Thanks again for all your help though. I appreciate having somebody help me through and answer all my questions. It's too bad it didn't work, but it could have been worse. Maybe next time!
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Psilosomniac said: Perhaps some time in the future I'll give it a try. If I do, I'll probably end up trying HBWS. Everybody seems to recommend those over Morning Glories. What do you think?
I have a pretty limited experience with psychedelics. I used to smoke weed fairly infrequently, then I tried mushrooms once in April. I've got a lot to experience out there. I'm thinking I might end up trying LSD sometime. Once mushroom season comes back, I will definitely have to go hunting. Here in the Bay Area, I hear it's hard not to find any in the right season. 
Thanks again for all your help though. I appreciate having somebody help me through and answer all my questions. It's too bad it didn't work, but it could have been worse. Maybe next time!
I've never tried HBWR, but from what I've heard, people seem to recommend them, solely because they are more convenient. MGs are said to be more visual(supposedly because they contain both ergine and isoergine), while HBWR are more of a head trip. The only thing I can say about the HBWR is to make sure you get the strain from Hawaii and to scrape off all the fuzzy coating before eating them. I think CWEs are much less popular with HBWR, and I think most people just eat them straight. Personally, I like MGs because they are cheap and work well for me, but if you do try HBWR I'd love to hear how it goes!
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eating them is a lot more effective than cwe
no more cwe, just put them in apple sauce.
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