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OfflinePileusSonofGalt
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14608180 - 06/13/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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the gov't is trillions of dollars in debt, and con't to borrow more and more. they do not rely on how much tax they take in to spend money. changing they way we are taxed would not effect the way this in any way.


i think it is a waste of money to have troops in 130 countries. no other country has as many troops in as many countries, they seem to be safe. why do we need to be able to deploy to anywhere in the world with-in hours, we are not the world's police. so the only reason to have us spread out in such a manor is a bully effect. we to terrorize the wold.




If we had a proper capitalist government we would not have trillions in debt, the only money spent would be money brought in for defense and police, that is all. No other country has as much as we do though, you are correect we are not the worlds police, we should only be concerned with our own freedom. People like you that think indiviuals need to be protected from bankers, evil loan officers, and the rich at any cost are why the government does this. We need to be able to deploy anywhere within hours because many countries want to destroy us because we are "free"

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14608224 - 06/13/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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or maybe they are safe because they don't send troops around the world and bully other countries out of there natural resources.




So what did we get from Vietnam? What about Iraq back in 1990? Did we get anything for stopping Japan and Germany? NO we loaned them money to rebuild. Did we get anything for helping in Kosovo? No we aided humans in need at our expense, evil military I tell you, stopping genocide should be a crime!

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14608711 - 06/13/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i never said anything about WW2. once again twisting. i'm talking current events, not a war that happened over 60 years ago.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14608775 - 06/13/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

@PileusSonofGalt- if our gov't had an interest in stopping genocide then why did we not intervene in sierra-leone, tibet, peru, rwanda, somalia, uganda, ethiopia, the philippines, liberia, cambodia, congo, guatemala, yemen, pakistan, libya, indonesia, or laos?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14608810 - 06/13/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i never said anything about WW2. once again twisting. i'm talking current events, not a war that happened over 60 years ago.




I also showed examples of our military action that has occurred in the past twenty years or less, and I did not say they had an interest in it. That is just the reason we went to Kosovo. It is not our place to become involved in civil wars, unless the affect our citizens lives or livelihood's. Then we have the right to defend ourselves and either detain and imprison, or kill anyone attempting to do so. We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this, of mineral rights, property, or people. You are simply wrong in insinuating we do and or have.

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14609068 - 06/13/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OMG
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PileusSonofGalt said:...We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this....




holy fuck that is funny!
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14609075 - 06/13/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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OMG
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PileusSonofGalt said:...We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this....




holy fuck that is funny!
:ahahaha:



Are you fucking kidding me???  :rofl2:  That is funny.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14610538 - 06/14/11 05:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What resources did we expropriate through military action from Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Serbia?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14611624 - 06/14/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

zappa, u will dismiss outright anything i have to say. we see the world thru very different sets of eyes, so how about we just agree to disagree?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14611658 - 06/14/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You made an assertion of fact, not an opinion.  There is nothing to agree or disagree about.  You can either support your assertion or you can't.  I've been listening to the "No Blood For Oil" nitwits for nigh onto a decade now.  Back it up or shut it up.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14611675 - 06/14/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ok, well how about the sweat shops that american companies have in vietnam.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14611696 - 06/14/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ok, well how about the sweat shops that american companies have in vietnam.




I don't think that had anything to do with the war, do you?  In fact the war delayed any trade we have with Vietnam.  Would you rather they were unemployed?  I bet they think you should shut the fuck up and mind your own American business.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14611769 - 06/14/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

see what i mean? i might as well go hit my self in the head with a hammer. at least i'll get something done.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14611856 - 06/14/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i might as well go hit my self in the head with a hammer...




...again.







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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14611899 - 06/14/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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see what i mean? i might as well go hit my self in the head with a hammer. at least i'll get something done.



Knock some sense into you?  So can you back your bullshit up or not.  I know the answer but some others might still be unclear.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14612636 - 06/14/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ok, well how about the sweat shops that american companies have in vietnam.




We also have american companies in China that run sweat shops. Did I miss the invasion somehow? Sorry but I do not remember invading Vietnam either, once again we went there to protect ourselves from what we thought was a security threat to our well being.

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14614835 - 06/14/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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PileusSonofGalt said:... We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this, of mineral rights, property, or people. You are simply wrong in insinuating we do and or have.





american-indian wars (from 1775-1980): land seized
battle at wounded knee: land seized, child taken and put in boarding schools
great sioux uprising: land seized
spanish american war: land seized
america invades the confederacy: entire country dismantled, all land seized

sound i keep going?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14615764 - 06/15/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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sound i keep going?




At least until you come up with an example of what was actually asked.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14616829 - 06/15/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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PileusSonofGalt said:... We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this, of mineral rights, property, or people. You are simply wrong in insinuating we do and or have.





american-indian wars (from 1775-1980): land seized
battle at wounded knee: land seized, child taken and put in boarding schools
great sioux uprising: land seized
spanish american war: land seized
america invades the confederacy: entire country dismantled, all land seized

sound i keep going?




Indians had no sense or understanding of property rights, what the military did was protect American citizens and property rights.
Spanish American, we aided our allies and protected our interests, land seized was in reperation for damages. No different from seizing the goods of someone who assaulted you to pay for your medical bills.
The confederacy? A group of people in certain states tried to take something that already belonged to the United States, land. We simply stopped them, and once again helped others, i.e. slaves.

So you have any more?

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14616968 - 06/15/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

your understanding of history is convoluted, and u obviously know nothing of at least two of the events i have listed. also you, contradicted yourself, yet again...

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PileusSonofGalt said:... We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this, of mineral rights, property, or people. You are simply wrong in insinuating we do and or have.

Indians had no sense or understanding of property rights, what the military did was protect American citizens and property rights.





so it was OK to take the indians land because they didn't "understand property rights"? we still invaded and took the land, which is something u said we never did. so which is it? stop contradicting yourself.

in the battle of wounded knee we attacked the oglala lakota on their reservation (their country) who where conducting a religious ceremony. at least 150 men, women, and children were killed. in the end, most of the land was taken and their right practice their own religion was outlawed. so much for freedom of religion.

in the great sioux uprising, german settlers where forming a town (mankato, MN) on a indian reservation. also the gov't was not providing the rations promised in the treaty and indians were starving. when the indians tried to drive out the settlers, the US gov't invaded their country. in the end, not only was all the land seized, but also the largest mass execution in US history took place, when 38 men where hung all at once, for protecting their homeland and their people.


let alone what u said about the spanish american war and civil war was completely wrong.

stop contradicting yourself and admit you are wrong on this one.


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