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shimishimiman
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Alcoholism
#14607292 - 06/13/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sure plenty of people on here like to get shitfaced occasionally, but I am interested in hearing some of y'alls thoughts on what alcoholism truly is.
Lately I have been coming to terms with how much I truly despise my drinking habits, I'm not even 20 yet and I am already pretty certain I have a big fucking problem with alcohol. Every time I drink, I don't stop until every last drop of booze has been consumed. There is no limit for me, and I have had what seems like hundreds of completely embarrassing and fucked up weekends that result in weeks of depression and torment regarding the broken memories of those parties. Regardless of this, I continue to keep doing the same thing, especially when there are girls around.
I have basically dumbed it down to a few reasonable possibilities:
1) I am an alcoholic motherfucker like my Dad, and I am destined to never be able to handle drinking properly and should therefore cease and desist these types of activities.
2) I am just destroying myself drinking as a result of sexual repression, and I love the fact that I can get away with anything when I am drunk (except for the intense feelings of guilt and shame that follow a night of drunken debauchery).
3) This is just a phase of American youth culture.
With each failed, drunken attempt at scoring some pussy, I feel my morality and my character drop deeper and deeper into the shitter.
Maybe I should just stop drinking?
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THis is my take on the subject.. Your father was an alcohlic because there was some sort or repressed emotion that he has held inside him. WHen you hold back tears of sadness it slowly builds and is expressed though unusual behavior such drinking and other things. Its like trying to hold a basketball under water.
He has now passed the torch to you and your job is to overcome his problems. Can you do it?
You drink to deal with these emotions. You need to stop drinking and focous on the real problem
Im out of here silly faggot its time to play foosball u hairy ass nigger lover.
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thodub

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I think if you blacking out a lot and doing a lot of dumb shit you don't remember doing or would not have done under the influence your drinking too much. If you have not been intervened by the law yet you lucky but that's usually one of the first signs that your drinking too much for example getting Dui's or public intoxes causing accidents n shit. I used to drink a shit load in college so I know how it is to drink every last drop and spend all your money on brews. Now a days I limit myself to a few time s a wekk at most and never more than a sixer.
Edited by thodub (06/14/11 12:35 AM)
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: thodub] 1
#14610492 - 06/14/11 05:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stop now. It doesnt get better. I have done alot of shit with alcohol that has fucked my life up.
1. concussion that lost my hearing 2. put a gun to my friends head as a joke 3. flipped a truck with people in the back 4. ruined many friendships 5. lost some good girls 6. spent a shit load of money 7. fucked my health up 8. hospital
Your drinking habits seem to be similar to mine. These things can easily happen to you. Every time i start, i need more more more. And when you turn 21, you can run to the gas station right down the road
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GI_Luvmoney
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Here's what you need. Now you're cured.
US patent 5413785 -> use probiotics, ie. acidophilus US patent 5013752 chromium cures alcoholism
http://www.piracetam.com turns alcoholics into normal people.
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GI_Luvmoney said: .... http://www.piracetam.com turns alcoholics into normal people.
I disagree, i take 2.4g to 3.2g of piracetam every morning when i have it, and i still drink emost nights, im slightly addicted to Valium,& mixing the 2 is regular. piracetam is no miracle. sure it helps my memory, sociability, confidence and I'd reccomend it to anyone, but it does nothing when it comes to my alcohol/drug use. i really dont think it could cure alcoholism. the effects of alcohol are much stronger when combined with piracetam, i normally drink at least 12h after though.
OP, I'd say it'd be a good idea to drink less, & if you cant, quit. Once it starts making you do stupid shit, you should quit. Its hard to quit, you see loads of alcohol every time you go out, the temptation is everywhere!
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klopi123
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Get help. I had a friend pass away from that stuff it only gets worse.
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moonrockmushy
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Just stop, you obviously don't like it. If you don't have one already, get a job, wake up in the mornings, and when you have free time, make plans to do something healthy, and stick to it. You don't have to cut people off necessarily, but until you are sure you can resist the temptation, stay away from parties, bars, and friends who are drinking heavily. Don't piss away your days on the computer and watching TV, that will keep you depressed and you will want to drink.
I'm not trying to be an asshole here, I understand because I did it for most of the past 10 years myself, but don't just go on pissing and moaning to everybody who will listen about how shitty your life is because you are an addict, you know what you have to do, just do it. It is a total cliche, but true that until you are ready to help yourself, nobody else can do jack shit for ya buddy. Even at the shroomery, there is no magic pill, its all on you.
No matter how bad it seems, things will only continue to get worse if you continue drinking.
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You're probably not going to get pussy by getting really drunk and talking to girls. Not that I would know I almost never get laid, just doesn't seem like it would work.
I suggest working out and trying to find a good job, get some nice new clothes or accessory like a watch or ring that's classy.
Just basically do things that will boost your confidence permanently, not for a couple hours.
So ya... Get lots of Gil and buy some new armor!  Sorry I just came from The Gaming Grotto
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Irishdrunk
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Alcoholism is usually a result of untreated depression or anxiety disorders. You're self medicating the true problem by drinking. Find out if you have depression, untreated depression and alcohol abuse leads many to suicide. Anxiety disorders are a bad one too, you drink to relieve the anxiety but in the end it just makes it worse and worse. See a psychiatrist and if you can't afford that, tell the doctor about everything you're doing alcohol and drug wise, and how you are feeling about life. If he suggests perhaps you are depressed, suggest 100mg zoloft long term, and 2 months of diazepam to help get off the booze but taper off of it slowly.

Enjoy the ride, I went from age 14-30 without going to a doctor, and just medicating myself with every drug I could get a hold of. I had to do 4 months of intense rehab to see that it was depression and not properly dealing with emotions and shit. I just got stoned and drunk non stop, but that never works, the root of the problem has to be found. In treatment, most of the cases were either depression, bi-polar depression, personality disorders, ADD, OCD, PTSD, etc etc. There's medication and cognitive therapy that fixes all of it.
AA for me did help at first, because I let it, but eventually I realized I didn't need it. It's mostly a way of socializing with people who are going through the same thing while you are early in sobriety, because it can be lonely at first due to the fact that you have to let go of all the friends and places you drank/used at......but they mix in religion and shit which bugs me, plus some of the meetings are pretty depressing.
Anyways, best treatment for alcohol abuse in any form is to find the root of the problem, and go to a doctor for medication and referrals to group therapy where you can talk about it. Talking about past problems over and over eventually helps you let go of it.
Usually alcoholics don't properly grieve losses, deal with emotional distress, and don't properly communicate their feelings. This leads to bottling up emotions that explode into binge drinking/drugging to medicate the feelings away. It's just a temporary solution, and it comes back around. People need to learn to communicate with the person who hurt them, or get out of the situation that is causing them distress, or find ways of relaxing without alcohol and drugs. There are plenty, especially exercise and education or just walking and reading. There's a million things to do without alcohol and drugs, and if you know someone who you can talk to about your problems, talk to them. The more you talk about it, the more it goes away. Anti-depressants help, but they are temporary, and you can overcome it eventually and slowly stop taking them.
Anyways I can go on for hours, I should probably get into the addictions field but I prefer to become a computer engineer, better pay and less stress.
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claraclairvoyant
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irishdrunk knows what he's talking about. i've dealt with a lot of alcoholics/addicts in my life and the distinction between a serious problem and a habit is clear. alcoholics don't like dealing with things so they drink in order to not deal. they make plans and don't go through with them because they drank instead. they blow people off. they can't have fun without alcohol. etc etc etc. why am i dating one?
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yeh i suppose i'll chime in here since i'm about 4 years older than you and have been seriously addicted to a variety of substances. most recently in the past few years alcohol has been my worst problem.
stop while you're ahead if you can man, it starts to make you really really stupid after awhile.. to demonstrate this, i got 2 dui's (my 2nd and 3rd offense) in less than months time span from each other about a year and a half ago.. that's how bad my logic got, the need to drink was so strong that i just didn't give a fuck and my judgement was so impaired (not just while i was drunk, you will get stupid as fuck sober too,) that it was like when i would get drunk, i couldn't just stay inside and not get in trouble or endanger others, i felt like i had to go out and seek danger. it's totally a self destructive impulse for me, like the above poster menioned i always drank to avoid having to do thangs.. it stops being fun, it feels like you have to drink to be normal.. and how is that fun? becoming progressively more and more stupid, oh and the damage i've done to my central nervous system is no joke.. i know i will heal, but it's just noooooooooo good man. that's it!
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: owls]
#14678114 - 06/27/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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owls said: yeh i suppose i'll chime in here since i'm about 4 years older than you and have been seriously addicted to a variety of substances. most recently in the past few years alcohol has been my worst problem.
stop while you're ahead if you can man, it starts to make you really really stupid after awhile.. to demonstrate this, i got 2 dui's (my 2nd and 3rd offense) in less than months time span from each other about a year and a half ago.. that's how bad my logic got, the need to drink was so strong that i just didn't give a fuck and my judgement was so impaired (not just while i was drunk, you will get stupid as fuck sober too,) that it was like when i would get drunk, i couldn't just stay inside and not get in trouble or endanger others, i felt like i had to go out and seek danger. it's totally a self destructive impulse for me, like the above poster menioned i always drank to avoid having to do thangs.. it stops being fun, it feels like you have to drink to be normal.. and how is that fun? becoming progressively more and more stupid, oh and the damage i've done to my central nervous system is no joke.. i know i will heal, but it's just noooooooooo good man. that's it!
That sums it up quite well. Listen to the owls.
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WharphRat
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Irishdrunk said: Alcoholism is usually a result of untreated depression or anxiety disorders. You're self medicating the true problem by drinking. Find out if you have depression, untreated depression and alcohol abuse leads many to suicide. Anxiety disorders are a bad one too, you drink to relieve the anxiety but in the end it just makes it worse and worse. See a psychiatrist and if you can't afford that, tell the doctor about everything you're doing alcohol and drug wise, and how you are feeling about life. If he suggests perhaps you are depressed, suggest 100mg zoloft long term, and 2 months of diazepam to help get off the booze but taper off of it slowly.

Enjoy the ride, I went from age 14-30 without going to a doctor, and just medicating myself with every drug I could get a hold of. I had to do 4 months of intense rehab to see that it was depression and not properly dealing with emotions and shit. I just got stoned and drunk non stop, but that never works, the root of the problem has to be found. In treatment, most of the cases were either depression, bi-polar depression, personality disorders, ADD, OCD, PTSD, etc etc. There's medication and cognitive therapy that fixes all of it.
AA for me did help at first, because I let it, but eventually I realized I didn't need it. It's mostly a way of socializing with people who are going through the same thing while you are early in sobriety, because it can be lonely at first due to the fact that you have to let go of all the friends and places you drank/used at......but they mix in religion and shit which bugs me, plus some of the meetings are pretty depressing.
Anyways, best treatment for alcohol abuse in any form is to find the root of the problem, and go to a doctor for medication and referrals to group therapy where you can talk about it. Talking about past problems over and over eventually helps you let go of it.
Usually alcoholics don't properly grieve losses, deal with emotional distress, and don't properly communicate their feelings. This leads to bottling up emotions that explode into binge drinking/drugging to medicate the feelings away. It's just a temporary solution, and it comes back around. People need to learn to communicate with the person who hurt them, or get out of the situation that is causing them distress, or find ways of relaxing without alcohol and drugs. There are plenty, especially exercise and education or just walking and reading. There's a million things to do without alcohol and drugs, and if you know someone who you can talk to about your problems, talk to them. The more you talk about it, the more it goes away. Anti-depressants help, but they are temporary, and you can overcome it eventually and slowly stop taking them.
Anyways I can go on for hours, I should probably get into the addictions field but I prefer to become a computer engineer, better pay and less stress.
This is an excellent post. To everyone here that's an alcoholic or struggling with addictions, good luck.
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shimishimiman said: I'm sure plenty of people on here like to get shitfaced occasionally, but I am interested in hearing some of y'alls thoughts on what alcoholism truly is.
Lately I have been coming to terms with how much I truly despise my drinking habits, I'm not even 20 yet and I am already pretty certain I have a big fucking problem with alcohol. Every time I drink, I don't stop until every last drop of booze has been consumed. There is no limit for me, and I have had what seems like hundreds of completely embarrassing and fucked up weekends that result in weeks of depression and torment regarding the broken memories of those parties. Regardless of this, I continue to keep doing the same thing, especially when there are girls around.
I have basically dumbed it down to a few reasonable possibilities:
1) I am an alcoholic motherfucker like my Dad, and I am destined to never be able to handle drinking properly and should therefore cease and desist these types of activities.
2) I am just destroying myself drinking as a result of sexual repression, and I love the fact that I can get away with anything when I am drunk (except for the intense feelings of guilt and shame that follow a night of drunken debauchery).
3) This is just a phase of American youth culture.
With each failed, drunken attempt at scoring some pussy, I feel my morality and my character drop deeper and deeper into the shitter.
Maybe I should just stop drinking?
How do you feel when you look at your dad doing what your doing?
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: zzripz]
#18688118 - 08/10/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Old thread.
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: EDM]
#18690113 - 08/11/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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EDM said: Old thread.
lol, oh shit, just noticed! Hope he's OK
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Re: Alcoholism [Re: zzripz]
#18692677 - 08/11/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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He seems worse.
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Stop now. It doesnt get better. I have done alot of shit with alcohol that has fucked my life up.
1. concussion that lost my hearing 2. put a gun to my friends head as a joke 3. flipped a truck with people in the back 4. ruined many friendships 5. lost some good girls 6. spent a shit load of money 7. fucked my health up 8. hospital
Your drinking habits seem to be similar to mine.
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Personally I find repression essential for sobriety. It's sexual frustration that leads to drinking.
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Soularize
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it's really any kind of frustration that leads to drinking. It's also happiness and celebration and any infinite number of other feelings that leads to drinking. This is alcoholism...it's a beast with a relentless appetite. It needs no "reason" to drink.
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