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Nature Boy
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Re: Trouble Ingesting DMT Lye-Laced DMT Freebase [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#14628914 - 06/17/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: What's wrong with the lemon juice, nb? I would think it would help neutralize the base, wouldn't it? Is there such a thing as DMT citrate?
Citric acid is wonderful to de-phosphoralize 4-PO-DMT (psilocybin) into the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, psilocin 4-HO-DMT. As you are likely aware, psilocybin is considered a prodrug...it has NO hallucinogenic effect until dephosphoralized into psilocin by your LIVER. That's why it takes 30 min to 1 hour for mushrooms to kick in. The psilocybin molecule must first pass through the liver and be dephosphoralized.
Citric acid (Lemon juice) does this for you exogenously (outside the body) and why it is a powerful way to accelerate and potentiate a MUSHROOM experience.
DMT freebase (n,n-DMT) although a very closely related molecule, DOES NOT benefit from treatment with citric acid. It is a virtual certainty that when combined with citric acid, n,n-DMT is either converted into an inactive molecule OR into a salt which is difficult, if not impossible to absorb through the gastrointestinal tract, so DON'T do it!!!
If you are ingesting freebase (acceptable, but not the best option) simply DILUTE IT in a small amount of (preferably) distilled water. It will still taste horrid, but the base will be less caustic feeling in the mouth. DMT fumarate is the best option for oral administration. Remember - dilution is the solution to pollution. So just add water and go. 
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mrroboto187
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Re: Trouble Ingesting DMT Lye-Laced DMT Freebase [Re: Nature Boy]
#14629115 - 06/17/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm no chemist, but every pharmahuasca report I've seen people say they put the freebase into some citric acid (OJ, lemon juice, etc.) to help it get digested easier. That's just what I've read but I've seen it very often.
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Re: Trouble Ingesting DMT Lye-Laced DMT Freebase [Re: mrroboto187] 1
#14629294 - 06/17/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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mrroboto187 said: I'm no chemist, but every pharmahuasca report I've seen people say they put the freebase into some citric acid (OJ, lemon juice, etc.) to help it get digested easier. That's just what I've read but I've seen it very often.
My understanding is the DMT freebase turns to DMT citrate when soaked in lemon/lime juice (anything with citric acid). DMT freebase is not very water soluble and DMT citrate is much easier to absorb into the body. Although DMT freebase will turn into a salt in the stomach it can take some time and often leaves me feeling a little nauseous. Converting to a salt helps me with nausea and the trips seem to be more consistent. So, there is some validity to soaking DMT in lemon/lime juice for 30 or so minutes before ingesting.
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Re: Trouble Ingesting DMT Lye-Laced DMT Freebase [Re: cogent]
#14629295 - 06/17/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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And as others have stated, you probably need a larger dose!
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Re: Trouble Ingesting DMT Lye-Laced DMT Freebase [Re: Nature Boy]
#14630651 - 06/17/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: [DMT is either converted into an inactive molecule OR into a salt which is difficult, if not impossible to absorb through the gastrointestinal tract, so DON'T do it!!!
DMT fumarate is the best option for oral administration. Remember - dilution is the solution to pollution. So just add water and go. 
N.B.
Im a little confused as to your post. You say that DMT when mixed with citric acid can turn into a salt form of DMT which is "difficult, if not impossible to absorb...." but then you recommend DMT fumarate for oral admin which is also a salt. Im just looking for some clarification.
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ReoSpeedwagon153


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Re: Trouble Ingesting DMT Lye-Laced DMT Freebase [Re: Nature Boy]
#14633602 - 06/18/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: DMT freebase (n,n-DMT) although a very closely related molecule, DOES NOT benefit from treatment with citric acid. It is a virtual certainty that when combined with citric acid, n,n-DMT is either converted into an inactive molecule OR into a salt which is difficult, if not impossible to absorb through the gastrointestinal tract, so DON'T do it!!!
I have never encountered this information before. Interesting...
Is this from your own experience, or is this well known over at the nexus or something?
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Re: Trouble Ingesting DMT Lye-Laced DMT Freebase [Re: muistrue]
#14633731 - 06/18/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: 40-50mg of DMT freebase isn't anywhere near enough for an oral dose, I would be surprised if you feel anything from that. Next time try around 150mg.
Nonsense - with a proper MAOI dosage, 45-60mg was enough for a full on 3-4hr experience with another 2hr cool down on many occasions. His problem was almost assuredly a failure of MAOI inhibition, not DMT dosage - 150mg with full MAOI could really do some damage
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Re: Trouble Ingesting DMT Lye-Laced DMT Freebase [Re: Yippie]
#14634100 - 06/18/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm inclined to believe yas, Yippie. WHen I started taking DMT, it wasas ayahuasca, with basically three grams rue, and 10 of mimosa, and the interesting thing is, I'd start to feel buzzing within twenty miutes, but I couldn't hold it down long enough for it to take hold. I've since pursued ways to keep it down, and have with success, but the potency has diminished.
I had a weak level 2 trip last night with lovely visuals on 100mgs of DMT freebase and 400mgs of orangish, semi-pure harmine, but I think it ought to have been stronger, and by that, I mean head buzzing.
Dunno what I can do different, save for soaking the DMT in citrate. If that's all it takes to turn it into a salt, that's good, because DMT salt seems to be quite potent with me, if my ayahuasca attempts are any indication.
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