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too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing?
    #14606166 - 06/13/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ok so here is the set up. 5 gallon tub, about 15 1/4 inch holes in the tub, air filter with two bubble wands under the perlite/water, and perlite filling half of the container, with enough water to create a mini lake below the perlite (when I mix the perlite it's like a pool at the bottom with a bit of perlite.)
Now the problem. The humidity is only about %60...WTF??? Is it that there is so much water that the perlite can't evaporate it? I'm at my wits end cuase I was rellying on humidifiers before that weren't working, now I break out cash for this FRIGGING air pump and nothing is helping? I'm gonna try to get rid of some water, but need to wait untill the middle of the night to avoid suspision from the housemates, so I hope to get an answer sooner then that. Thanks everyone.


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14606206 - 06/13/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hi zzantium2999,
I also had this with my perlite, back in the days. So i got rid of it all, now i use a tub with a small layer of water at the bottom and i've put a heater in it to warm up the water so it evaporates. put holes right above the water so atleast some air can escape. Humidity is just fine, i open up the tub couple of times a day to wave in some fresh air.

Many people say that water in your fruiting chamber will increase the contamination, no contamination since i'm doing it this way, and that's for about a year now.


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: sonnyboy209]
    #14606235 - 06/13/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

see thats the weird thing. I have this set up right next to a heater so the water is about 23c-28c or 73f-82f. So the heaters for fish tanks will normaly only go as high as 30c or 86f. I have a fish heater so I'll try that (just incase.) Thanks for the reply


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14606260 - 06/13/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I believe you want the perlite to be wet but you don't want standing water kind of defeats the purpose since perlite causes evaporation due to it's huge amount of surface area that has contact with air, if it's sitting in water it's not doing anything. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited by Mycjunky (06/13/11 01:29 PM)

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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: sonnyboy209]
    #14606263 - 06/13/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think you got something wrong there, buddy. You don't need any fancy bubblers, humidifiers, air filters or whatever for a tub.
Just build yourself a proper SGFC and you're fine. Most of the other shit does not work and/or is just a waste of money.
Also, if you have a digital hygrometer, throw it away. If you have an analog one, calibrate it before using it!
Moreover make sure that you do not have standing water in your FC. Do not oversaturate your perlite. This is just like inviting mold for dinner.
And do not heat your FC - rather heat the room it sits in!
All this is basic knowledge!

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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: sonnyboy209]
    #14606265 - 06/13/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

zzantium, are you fruiting in a sort of hybrid style pmp for a reason

you could definitely be optimizing fruiting conditions

with that set up, its almost like putting a handicap on the growth of your mushrooms

even with that small of a FC it would serve you better to drill holes in it like you would a SGFC and hydrate perlite, at a depth of 3"+ (no floating perlite)

with the bubble wands, if my understanding is correct, i think a "medium" more similar to geolite/hydroton would work better due to the fact that they dont float

the air moving thru the "medium" is more evenly distributed, and can wick humidity into the FC easier, and mo betta

with the perlite, it floats, and theyre much smaller oddly shapped pieces of "medium" causing all the air from the bubble wands to catch under the floating perlite, and seep out wherever it can find its easiest route

making for uneven moisture distribution :shrug:


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: Mycjunky]
    #14606268 - 06/13/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Build a proper sgfc with holes in the bottom.


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: Mycjunky]
    #14606282 - 06/13/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Mycjunky is exactly right,I don't know why people insist on using fish tank bubblers and air pumps when all you really need is a proper built SGFC with 4 inches of perlite and you basically wont have to worry about humidity as long as you keep the perlite moist(not wet)


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14606287 - 06/13/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wow ton of replys while I was typing that lol


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14606408 - 06/13/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ok so to answer everyone.... I am heating the room, thats why it's next to a heater (obviously you can't aim a heater and it heats the room, the fish tank heater would just be extra.) I've built SGFC exactly to tek and for whatever reason. they don't work where I live. If anyone cares to read through my previous posts they will see that this has been a LONG ongoing battle to get a mono tub or SGFC that will get too %90-%100 RH...Since the standard SGFC's don't work for me. I've been improvising. You guys have to remember, before all these teks on different fruiting chambers, it was believed there was only one way to grow. through improvising, people have created much better FC's. something that REALLY pisses me off about this site, is that no one stays on subject. I never asked anyone how to build a SGFC or MONO TUB. there are teks all over this site for it. i only asked about the FU**ING water. now that I have said that....I DO appreciate the answers....just stay on topic.


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14606429 - 06/13/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Dump your shit outside and give up.
Thats what I recommend you do with the standing water problem your having.
I feel bad for you if you cant construct a proper fc that can maintain high humidity.
Goodluck.


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: esquaredx]
    #14606442 - 06/13/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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just me said:
zzantium, are you fruiting in a sort of hybrid style pmp for a reason


with the bubble wands, if my understanding is correct, i think a "medium" more similar to geolite/hydroton would work better due to the fact that they dont float
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esquaredx said:
Dump your shit outside and give up.
Thats what I recommend you do with the standing water problem your having.
I feel bad for you if you cant construct a proper fc that can maintain high humidity.
Goodluck.



JustMe :
whats a hybrid style pmp?

the bubble wands have suction cups so it sticks to the bottom. If I take out the extra water I'll leave the bubble wand to get FAE. If I don't I'll be lifting the lid too much while fanning, and lose all my humidity.

esquaredx:GO FUCK YOUR MOTHER....thats what I think I'll do


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14606455 - 06/13/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:


:maximumtrolling:


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: esquaredx]
    #14606484 - 06/13/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

whatever....looks like half this site doesn't want to help shit. just run there mouths like kids. ill figure this out:sad: thanks to the ones that actually answered the question


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14606510 - 06/13/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sneak out in the middle of the night to dump out water?
:highfive:

Lets see some pics of how shitty you build these FC's.
Try a mono, idk how the hell you could mess that up.

Want an answer to your question? Yes, you can have too much water in perlite. Answered.


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: esquaredx]
    #14606533 - 06/13/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah...people tend to ask questions when your dumping out a terrarium full of shit when your not allowed animals. not to mention the general idea of "why do you have a bucket full of holes, thats full of water." I may sound paranoid. It's alot better then running into a situation unprepared.


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14606541 - 06/13/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I really like quoting myself:
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Also, if you have a digital hygrometer, throw it away. If you have an analog one, calibrate it before using it!




That is probably the reason why you cannot get over 90% RH.

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And do not heat your FC - rather heat the room it sits in!




Keep the heater running at least 2m away from your FC! If you need to heat it, make sure there is no temperature difference within your FC or you will cause convection!


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Moreover make sure that you do not have standing water in your FC. Do not oversaturate your perlite. This is just like inviting mold for dinner.




Here is the answer to your original question.


And stop pissing off other shroomerites!

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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14606558 - 06/13/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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yeah...people tend to ask questions when your dumping out a terrarium full of shit when your not allowed animals. not to mention the general idea of "why do you have a bucket full of holes, thats full of water." I may sound paranoid. It's alot better then running into a situation unprepared.




So you have a "bucket full of holes" ? :shrug:
Tha fuck is someone gonna say about that? Unless they grow mushrooms I highly doubt they are going to say, "Hey, he is carrying a sgfc!".

Did you ever try a mono? Works like a charm.
Do something smaller maybe? like a dub tub.

Something that is very easy to maintain.

Cause your idea is deff not working.


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #14606565 - 06/13/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how am I pissing people off? asking a question or asking them to stay on topic?


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Re: too much water in my perlite? is there such a thing? [Re: esquaredx]
    #14606588 - 06/13/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think he knows his idea isn't working which is why he asked the question, no reason to flame gotta learn sometime. Just gotta fix the mistake.'

I wouldn't go dump a tub outside with my neighbors close either. May be paranoid but peace of mind is good to have.

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