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War on Drugs a success
#14605063 - 06/13/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/5887882-417/war-on-drugs-a-success.html
War on Drugs a success
Jesse Jackson’s recent column “on a failed war on drugs” demands a rebuttal based on science and the facts. Rev. Jackson, to his credit, has preached against using drugs, but his conclusion that the drug control effort has been wasted is dead wrong.
In fact, in 1978, 25 million Americans used an illegal drug once a month, when our population was 280 million. In 2009, there were 21 million illegal drug users, a decrease of 20 percent. Since when is a 20 percent decrease a failure?
Ninety-two percent of Americans do not use illegal drugs. Drugs are not as available as they were 40 years ago, and fewer people are dying of heroin overdose deaths.
I know because from 1976 to 1981, I was administrator of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. In 1976, we had more than 500,000 heroin addicts and over 2,000 heroin overdose deaths. This has decreased significantly; currently there are 200,000 heroin users, less than half the number of 35 years ago and half the heroin overdose deaths.
Our prisons are overcrowded; not because casual users of marijuana are in prison. Less than 1 percent of all inmates in state prisons are there because of the use or possession of marijuana. They are in prison because of other charges, some involving drugs but for sale or trafficking. They are also there because we do not have enough drug courts, which have recidivism rates of 16 percent compared to 45 percent for offenders not in those programs. They are in prison because we have a probation system that is ineffective and because we tolerate a high crime rate and have more gun dealers than gas stations.
Drugs are addictive, cause impairment with work, learning, co-ordination, short-term memory, and long-term health. Legalize cocaine and crack, which cause rapid heart rate, arrhythmia and three overdose deaths a day? Legalize marijuana, which contain 468 different chemicals and 60 percent more cancer-causing agents than a cigarette and is particularly harmful for brain development in adolescents? Drugged driver fatalities are three times higher in states with medical marijuana.
The effort to control drugs is not solely a law enforcement responsibility. It requires greater efforts by parents, more resources in prevention and treatment and effective diversion programs, which Rev. Jackson recognizes. Chicago’s St. Patricks High School has implemented a mandatory random testing program for all students, not just athletes. The result is higher graduation rates, better attendance, higher college admissions and fewer disciplinary problems than other comparable schools.
Not all efforts involve taxpayer money. The private sector has driven down drug use in the workplace dramatically, not by avoiding the issue but with clear drug abuse policies, education, drug testing and employee assistance programs. Productivity rates have risen significantly.
The federal government has invested time and money and lives in fighting drug abuse, but the social costs for treatment, lost productivity, accidents and crime are 10 times higher. In fact, this year’s federal drug enforcement budget is the same as the cost of one Aegis Cruiser for the Navy. Drug abuse is a public health problem, but removing criminal sanctions will open the floodgates of use and abuse. Use of illegal drugs is lower by 20 percent from 30 years ago. We need to do more in prevention and treatment, including having Rev. Jackson preach about the dangers of drug abuse without giving up on our commitment to prevent it.
Peter Bensinger was administrator of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administrationfrom 1976-1981 and director of the Illinois Department of Corrections from 1970-1973.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: dwpineal]
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These stats seem kinda fishy to me
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: HardTrippin] 3
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"Ninety-two percent of Americans do not use illegal drugs. "
False.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: xFrockx]
#14605171 - 06/13/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not all efforts involve taxpayer money. The private sector has driven down drug use in the workplace dramatically, not by avoiding the issue but with clear drug abuse policies, education, drug testing and employee assistance programs.
Which has, in turn, left many illicit drug users unemployed, thus still wasting tax payer money by making it so that people are more likely to commit crimes and go to prison or try and collect unemployment.
Nice try but the drug war is not a success so long as the drug lords are still making money.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: Remix]
#14605201 - 06/13/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its a take on numbers.
A piece of writing that presents unexplained statistics that seem to reinforce there WOD ideals. The difference in heroin use could be explained by a different variable, such as shifting drug popularity.
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Drug abuse is a public health problem, but removing criminal sanctions will open the floodgates of use and abuse
Different drug policy such as that of Portugal have disproved such statements.
This article is nothing but government rhetoric to counter rising discontent.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: slagMUFFIN]
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"60 percent more cancer-causing agents than a cigarette"
Also false
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a success for the drug dealers it has been indeed. *Cough* CIA *cough****
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: lasdR]
#14605414 - 06/13/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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This guy can take his rebuttle and shove it in his ass. Wish I could employ a better argument, but that was my first impression.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: xFrockx]
#14605737 - 06/13/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: "Ninety-two percent of Americans do not use illegal drugs. "
False.
Yeah. I mean, if someone from the DEA asked you if you used drugs, would you say that you did?
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: dwpineal]
#14605943 - 06/13/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I read in High Times that fifty percent of Americans guzzle alcohol. Now that's a war on drugs!
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: sunshine]
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This article is fail of course someone had to make something like this because of the failed war on drugs one. People just cant handle the truth I'd say the failed war on drugs is correct I mean this article seems like its full of random bs trying to do anything to counter out the last one lol.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: mushiefeet] 3
#14606404 - 06/13/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The US has 5% of the world's population and eats something like 2/3rds of the world's drugs. We're a bunch of drug addicts who somehow keeps electing people who hate drugs.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: mushiefeet]
#14606499 - 06/13/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I almost feel sorry for them, repeating the same old lies again and again while desperately trying to find a public relations guy (aka assfucking the public coach) to whip up some more effective ones as the public has largely caught onto their little game.
Everything he said was either Grade A Bullshit, a manipulation of data, or a simple lie. Nothing more, nothing less. Spend an hour googling the facts and this becomes clear very fast.
Fuck you and your 2 year old kids in the ass DEA! Give you something existent to complain about eh?
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14606900 - 06/13/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, the drug war is a total success. Have a look at mexico - there are so many people sheering and laughing and bathing in huge tubs filled with flowers. They would have a lot more worries, if the members of their criminal organizations were out of work suddenly. They would have a lot more worries, if their children were not being shot by some member of a drug cartel. American politians don't give a shit about other people and countries, once they have to choose between their fundamentalist christian ideology and .
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: dwpineal]
#14607604 - 06/13/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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dwpineal said: Legalize marijuana, which contain 468 different chemicals and 60 percent more cancer-causing agents than a cigarette and is particularly harmful for brain development in adolescents?
I'm so sick of hearing this stupid shit. There is no correlation between the amount of chemicals in a substance and its toxicity. Caffeine contains more chemicals than Strychnine. For those of you who don't know, Strychnine is highly toxic and is also known as rat poison.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: wutthe4k]
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#14607964 - 06/13/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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dwpineal said: Since when is a 20 percent decrease a failure?
Boob job?
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: tibberous]
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Caffeine is a single chemical there boss.
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Oops, did I say caffeine? I meant coffee. Got my facts off a little. Allow me to correct myself and back up my statement. Coffee contains 1,500 chemicals. Rat poison contains 30 chemicals. Hence, it doesn't matter how many chemicals are in a substance.
Also, Strychnine is just one of the chemicals in rat poison. My mistake.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: dwpineal]
#14608745 - 06/13/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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dwpineal said: http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/5887882-417/war-on-drugs-a-success.html
War on Drugs a success
Jesse Jackson’s recent column “on a failed war on drugs” demands a rebuttal based on science and the facts. Rev. Jackson, to his credit, has preached against using drugs, but his conclusion that the drug control effort has been wasted is dead wrong.
In fact, in 1978, 25 million Americans used an illegal drug once a month, when our population was 280 million. In 2009, there were 21 million illegal drug users, a decrease of 20 percent. Since when is a 20 percent decrease a failure?
Ninety-two percent of Americans do not use illegal drugs. Drugs are not as available as they were 40 years ago, and fewer people are dying of heroin overdose deaths.
I know because from 1976 to 1981, I was administrator of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. In 1976, we had more than 500,000 heroin addicts and over 2,000 heroin overdose deaths. This has decreased significantly; currently there are 200,000 heroin users, less than half the number of 35 years ago and half the heroin overdose deaths.
Our prisons are overcrowded; not because casual users of marijuana are in prison. Less than 1 percent of all inmates in state prisons are there because of the use or possession of marijuana. They are in prison because of other charges, some involving drugs but for sale or trafficking. They are also there because we do not have enough drug courts, which have recidivism rates of 16 percent compared to 45 percent for offenders not in those programs. They are in prison because we have a probation system that is ineffective and because we tolerate a high crime rate and have more gun dealers than gas stations.
Drugs are addictive, cause impairment with work, learning, co-ordination, short-term memory, and long-term health. Legalize cocaine and crack, which cause rapid heart rate, arrhythmia and three overdose deaths a day? Legalize marijuana, which contain 468 different chemicals and 60 percent more cancer-causing agents than a cigarette and is particularly harmful for brain development in adolescents? Drugged driver fatalities are three times higher in states with medical marijuana.
The effort to control drugs is not solely a law enforcement responsibility. It requires greater efforts by parents, more resources in prevention and treatment and effective diversion programs, which Rev. Jackson recognizes. Chicago’s St. Patricks High School has implemented a mandatory random testing program for all students, not just athletes. The result is higher graduation rates, better attendance, higher college admissions and fewer disciplinary problems than other comparable schools.
Not all efforts involve taxpayer money. The private sector has driven down drug use in the workplace dramatically, not by avoiding the issue but with clear drug abuse policies, education, drug testing and employee assistance programs. Productivity rates have risen significantly.
The federal government has invested time and money and lives in fighting drug abuse, but the social costs for treatment, lost productivity, accidents and crime are 10 times higher. In fact, this year’s federal drug enforcement budget is the same as the cost of one Aegis Cruiser for the Navy. Drug abuse is a public health problem, but removing criminal sanctions will open the floodgates of use and abuse. Use of illegal drugs is lower by 20 percent from 30 years ago. We need to do more in prevention and treatment, including having Rev. Jackson preach about the dangers of drug abuse without giving up on our commitment to prevent it.
Peter Bensinger was administrator of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administrationfrom 1976-1981 and director of the Illinois Department of Corrections from 1970-1973.
FIRST I WANT TO SEE 1 EXAMPLE OF HOW MEDICAL MARIJUANA OR ANY OTHER MARIJUANA FOR THAT MATTER HAS CAUSED CANCER.YOU CANT BECAUSE THERES NOT 1 DAMN CASE OF CANCER OR OVERDOSE IN MARIJUANA HISTORY THATS RIGHT LOOK IT UP 0 DEATHS FROM CANNABIS ONLY. Second the war on drugs has been the most global failure in history.Abraham Lincon himself said "making an illicit drug illegal will only drive it underground" underground meaning gangs, murderers, massive wastes of money on jails,law enforcement and it makes people go to drug dealers when they want cannabis.Argentina's policy of all drugs being legalized not only reduced crime and std's but addiction in citizens DID NOT increase Addiction what do you have to say to THAT! You make me sick your 1 of the reasons being that your selfishness fuels Murdering cartels and massive causalities you selfish person 
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I'd be the farm that more than 200k people use heroin, and more people abuse opiates now than ever before. This guy is full of shit, his article is poorly written, and it more resembles a blog post more than an editorial. This guy should just kill himself.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: dwpineal] 2
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In fact, in 1978, 25 million Americans used an illegal drug once a month, when our population was 280 million. In 2009, there were 21 million illegal drug users, a decrease of 20 percent. Since when is a 20 percent decrease a failure?
I have no idea where these numbers come from, but the US Government has a different take. According to data published the the executive branch, in 1979 31.3% of the population reported using illegal drugs at some poit in their life. In 2001 the number had climbed to 41.7%. Data comes from google cache as the whitehouse has taken down the data...
Cut-n-paste to see for yourself:
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: Seuss] 2
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Even if the number of "illegal" drug users did actually go down that doesn't really say much. Everybody in the country could still be addicted to prescription opiates, SSRi's/SNRi's, benzos and be complete alcoholics. If more people are using these drugs than, say, less physically harmful drugs, like Cannabis or Psilocybin, then "the drug war" is still causing excessive harm to people simply because of the ignorance it supports regarding the relative safety of certain substances when compared to others.
The drug war is not even about getting people to use less drugs, anyway. It's about politicians and cops making rash, uneducated (and, possibly, corrupt) decisions in relation to which drugs people are allowed to use and which drugs they aren't. It'd be like if I said, "I don't want anybody to drive automobiles anymore so I will ban sedans" but I still let people drive trucks and SUV's, as though operating those vehicles is somekind of exception to "driving automobiles". If you say people can't buy cannabis, but still let them by Tylenol, the nation is, in essence, no more "drug free" than if people could choose from both.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: "Ninety-two percent of Americans do not use illegal drugs. "
False.
They just pop legal pharmaceuticals that are addicting, get wasted, and smoke cigarette's. I think pot is a better alternative.
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xFrockx said: "Ninety-two percent of Americans do not use illegal drugs. "
False.
They just pop legal pharmaceuticals that are addicting, get wasted, and smoke cigarette's. I think pot is a better alternative.
You guys need to get over this "this drug is better than that one"-mindset - at least when it comes to politics. That attitude and lots of racism is what brought us into this political mess in the first place. Of course everyone has personal preferences among certain psychotropic substances, yet this should not have an influence on general drug policy.
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xFrockx said: "Ninety-two percent of Americans do not use illegal drugs. "
False.
They just pop legal pharmaceuticals that are addicting, get wasted, and smoke cigarette's. I think pot is a better alternative.
You guys need to get over this "this drug is better than that one"-mindset - at least when it comes to politics. That attitude and lots of racism is what brought us into this political mess in the first place. Of course everyone has personal preferences among certain psychotropic substances, yet this should not have an influence on general drug policy.
This is great point. We need to end this drug war for everyone. Even if the drug war somehow lowered drug use to near zero, which is utter fantasy, nonsense and not desireable in anyway then it is still a failure for all the lives it has destroyed, people killed and people made to rot in cages for what are not in any moral sense crimes to begin with.
Let us stand up for our rights to use recreational drugs whether they are plants or synthetic.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: dondoodle]
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Man, I've been on the other side for so long, that I've forgotten that there are a lot of people who will vehemently fight tooth-and-nail to keep the War on Drugs in place.
It's also worth mentioning that statistics are almost always bullshit.
The War on Drugs will always be a failure because it deprives of us our own minds... our thoughts, decisions, and control of our bodies are compromised.
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Re: War on Drugs a success [Re: Society]
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sucks to have wasted your life fighting a meaningless war eh bensinger? being a part of the prison industry didnt change your opinion at all Im sure
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