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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14603858 - 06/13/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It is good, I wish more people thought this way. Unfortunately most people would rather save Blue Star type companies, because those people cannot be laid off! Gasp, oh no :frown: They seem to forget about the people who are employed because of stuff like this happening, you know auctioneers, movers, demolition crews, construction crews to build the new company that steps in to fill the void, all the people that rich evil bastard employs. Like maintenance men for his home and office, designers, cooks, servers, whiskey makers, wine makers, car manufactures, mechanics, even your health care is lower because of them. I only can hope that some day more people realize this.




wow, you seem to have really gotten the point of that movie, gekko ripping the fuck off out of companies, bankrupting blue star, going to fucking prison for violating the inside trading sanction act. my work is done here, bust just to be sure... let me just say one last thing

why do people think greed is good? like they compare greed to success. a city building itself over night with everyone helping, and feeding everyone and shit, that is success. one person 'employing' everybody, and keeping most of the money for himself is greed, and him banking off other peoples help. I can't understand why people think that people need a 'leader' to work hard, eat well, and be successful.

and to be honest dude, how the fuck is my health care lower? those last 20 years of $5 an hour didn't seem to help me shove a bunch of money in the bank to pay my health care, and to be honest last time I went to the hospital, I left with like a $7000 bill, and it wasn't my fault it was an emergency. I guess I just don't appreciate how all those rich people have made my health care lower. greed is good, buy gordon's book. fuck blue star.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14603868 - 06/13/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No I am a chef, I am studying to be one of the best. I gladly spend anytime I can in a kitchen honing my craft. That is why I will succeed. Yes it would be profit, if you look at the data collected college graduates earn more over the course of their life than non college graduates. Not always do to the degree, many times it is just that the individual that was willing to go to school and learn is simply more motivated and smarter than others. So if you think taxing the wealthy is good for the average joe, and you think that hard work does not pay off, and that no matter what you do you will never have more than some meager existence, why do you continue to live in this country? Why not live in a country with "free" health care, one that will allow you to collect unemployment for over a year while doing nothing to earn a wage for yourself? You guessed it, YOU ALREADY DO! If you do not have the money for a doctor and you have no job or do not earn very much you will be taken care of. Some very stupid people got together and already passed laws stating an emergency room cannot turn you away. Regardless of your ability to pay. Robbery is nice when it is done by someone else for your benefit is it not?

And no, not anybody could do what I do, let me know the next time you butcher a lamb and make your own crown racks, or the next time you grow your own food and can it. If you happen to find yourself making baklava from scratch and you cannot get the sheets of phyllo paper thin without tearing let me know so I can laugh. I bet you could not tell me a proper temperature chart for a steak without Google. Do you know if asparagus is in season now? How about you make me some pomegranate caviar to go over my key lime sorbet? It is not nearly as easy as you think to be a top notch chef, that is why the ones who are great get paid hundreds of thousands a year. Because they can do what others cannot, creativity in the kitchen cannot be learned, some people just have the knack. The next time I am making botarga I will be thinking of you and how easy it is to create a masterpiece from scratch.





You're talking to the wrong person, I've worked in a kitchen for a lot of time, and have loved cooking my entire life.  I've made plenty of baklava from scratch working at a greek restaurant, and garden every year.  What do you want to know about a steak? At my last job I got compliments every steak that I cooked :grin:.  Why would i ever want to make pomegranate caviar though?  I'd give you a pretty damn good run for you money in the kitchen.

Once again though, its all about the money to you.  A million dollars would be more important than a million lives saved to you. 

But once again, good luck in your endevor to be a "top notch" chef.  When the kid from le cordon bleu get that job you're looking for, at least you have a business degree to go back to serving tables with, right?

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14603918 - 06/13/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The smartest thing you have said yet, yes one million dollars is more important to me than one million lives, as long as the million lives are not my loved ones. You might be getting it finally. Money buys happiness and I want to be as happy as I can possibly be before my time is up. One million people in China are not important to me, if they died it would suck, but I would not sacrifice the life of a single loved one for the chance to save one million that I do not know. Anyone who claims otherwise is either A lying or B they are too stupid to understand the concept of self worth.

You would want to make it to impress someone to get something you want, if you think that getting a compliment on a steak is nice, make something that very few others can and let me know how you feel. And no I will call bullshit once again that you did not get complimented on every steak you cooked, unless you cooked only one or two a week. not even close to enough time to compliment someone on every steak cooked in a busy restaurant.

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14603956 - 06/13/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The smartest thing you have said yet, yes one million dollars is more important to me than one million lives, as long as the million lives are not my loved ones. You might be getting it finally. Money buys happiness and I want to be as happy as I can possibly be before my time is up. One million people in China are not important to me, if they died it would suck, but I would not sacrifice the life of a single loved one for the chance to save one million that I do not know. Anyone who claims otherwise is either A lying or B they are too stupid to understand the concept of self worth.

You would want to make it to impress someone to get something you want, if you think that getting a compliment on a steak is nice, make something that very few others can and let me know how you feel. And no I will call bullshit once again that you did not get complimented on every steak you cooked, unless you cooked only one or two a week. not even close to enough time to compliment someone on every steak cooked in a busy restaurant.





Just because you can make something that few others can, doesn't mean anybody want to eat it.

I guess $10,000+ friday nights is a not busy restaurant :grin:

" Money buys happiness and I want to be as happy as I can possibly be before my time is up."

Thats all I need to read.  You're sick in the head, which I guess you've admitted, so there is really no point in arguing here.  Material things and a big house doesn't get you the things that what most would say is truly important.  Your baby momma took your kid to a different state, and you're more worried about a dollar.  I find that sickening.  You bring a child into the world and do nothing but maybe pay child support.  Obviously you have your priorities straight.

Keep serving at Outback bro, keep sending those biweekly checks to baby momma. 

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: imachavel]
    #14603962 - 06/13/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It is very simple, they buy medication that is obscenly expensive in order to have a better quality of life. The AIDS cocktails that Magic Johnson took to help him maintain a healthy life used to cost over $5000 a day, now people can buy them for less than $1000 for a month. It is because of him buying them in the first place that allowed for further research.

I can't understand why people think that people need a 'leader' to work hard, eat well, and be successful.

I agree, if more people felt this way we would all be better off. Men of their own free will doing what they can and want to for their own personal benefit. Sounds good to me.

And I do not think greed is good, I KNOW it is good. Without greed you would not ever try to grow a bigger shroom, or more potent strains, we would all have multispore cubes. Greed is often misunderstood. Just in case let me show you the definition: intense andselfish desire for something, especially wealth, power , or food.  What about this is wrong? You want more wealth to buy your woman something nice, more power to make the choices you want for your life, and more food to feed your friends and family. But these are all bad things are they not? LOL!

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14604001 - 06/13/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thats all I need to read.  You're sick in the head, which I guess you've admitted, so there is really no point in arguing here.  Material things and a big house doesn't get you the things that what most would say is truly important.  Your baby momma took your kid to a different state, and you're more worried about a dollar.  I find that sickening.  You bring a child into the world and do nothing but maybe pay child support.  Obviously you have your priorities straight.

Keep serving at Outback bro, keep sending those biweekly checks to baby momma. 




Ok first off the things "most" people, once again just because a larger portion of people think something is right does not make it so. If 700 out of 1000 people tell you that they had sex with your woman last night does that make it true? Nope.

And yes I am more worried about a dollar because dollars are what it will take for me to get full custody. As far as Outback goes I do not work for Outback, I work for Flemings. And yes I do only pay my child support ow and provide her with insurance, the extra money I have goes into a trust for her to go to private school when I get her back.

Also as for me being sick in the head, your right, I have a mental defect, now that I have learned to use it to my advantage I get lots more done than an average person. I was on here until after 7 a.m. yesterday and then spent the day tying up my tomatoes, pruning rose bushes, cooking ribs, making 30 quart jars of rye for oyster mushrooms, alphabetizing my closet by color and style, and changed the oil in my womans car. ANd I still had time to watch Double Jeopardy with her and help my mom with her study of the human viscera. It sucks being sick in the head doesn't it?

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14604343 - 06/13/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

But...  You're not going to get her back.  You can be as successful as you want, but all you're going to do is pull your kid from the most stability she's had.  All the extra money you're making huh?  After your nice TV's and all the expensive things you already said make you happy you must be:trippnballs:

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14604551 - 06/13/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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But...  You're not going to get her back.  You can be as successful as you want, but all you're going to do is pull your kid from the most stability she's had.  All the extra money you're making huh?  After your nice TV's and all the expensive things you already said make you happy you must be:trippnballs:




I sure will, because in the state she lives in if I can provide a better home environment for her then i will get custody. I will have to wipe out my savings to get her, but I will. Unlike you when I want something I get it, you know, like a job. That is why you said shit thats a lot of money, and if I had $600 to spend on a tv. My woman and I work very hard and save even harder, we go on tour following Phish to several shows a year and have been on vacations to Chicago twice and Vegas in the past two years, not including trips to Philly just for a $100 cheesesteak. All things that make us very happy, without money none of it would be possible.  When you spend time with and come from nothing, once you have it you will not let little things like losing a job stop you from achieving your goals. Ones like buying brand new plasmas for the bedroom, living room, and basement, or a new car, having pizza shipped to my door from Ginos East in Chicago for $40 a pop. It may sound like we live above our means but neither of us has a single credit card and the only debt we have is our home, and we even have equity in it after having lived in it for only about nine months. Maybe it is my firm belief in capitalism that sets us apart so much, I would guess it has more to do with our work ethic than anything, you think I was being extorted for planting tobacco for $5 an hour. I would do it right now if I had the spare time and could not make more doing something else, because their is no such thing as a bad job, some are just better than others. That is how my child will be raised and she will be so much better off for it. Maybe you should spend some time investing in yourself instead of wallowing in self pity, if you ever want some tips on how to be successful let me know, I would be happy to share. As for me it is almost 6 a.m. and it is time for some breakfast, I think I am going to make some 42 minute eggs topped with some dill caviar, but you think that is not worth doing, sorry to rub it, oh waste your time telling you about it. Maybe if you could think for yourself and had not come to really on the fednannys to care for you, you could see the beauty in this. Have a bland, boring and jobless day :smile:

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14604560 - 06/13/11 03:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

One of the most profound things I have ever read. Please read this and I ask anyone to refute a single statemennt in this speech. Maybe you will learn something Shroomy.



Rearden heard Bertram Scudder, outside the group, say to a girl who made some sound of indignation, "Don't let him disturb you. You know, money is the root of all evil--and he's the typical product of money."

Rearden did not think that Francisco could have heard it, but he saw Francisco turning to them with a gravely courteous smile.

"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Aconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

"When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor-- your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?

"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions--and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is MADE--before it can be looted or mooched--made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except by the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss--the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery--that you must offer them values, not wounds--that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of GOODS. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best your money can find. And when men live by trade--with reason, not force, as their final arbiter--it is the best product that wins, the best performance, then man of best judgment and highest ability--and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

"Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth--the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve that mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Money is your means of survival. The verdict which you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment's or a penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you'll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Or did you say it's the LOVE of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is the loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money--and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it."

"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.

"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another--their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

"But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride, or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich--will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt--and of his life, as he deserves.

"Then you will see the rise of the double standard--the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money--the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law--men who use force to seize the wealth of DISARMED victims--then money becomes its creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.

"Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it becomes, marked: 'Account overdrawn.'

"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world?' You are.

"You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while your damning its life-blood--money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves--slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer. Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers--as industrialists.

"To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a COUNTRY OF MONEY--and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being--the self-made man--the American industrialist.

"If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose--because it contains all the others--the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to MAKE money.' No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity--to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted, or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality.

"Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide-as, I think, he will.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns--or dollars. Take your choice--there is no other--and your time is running out."

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14604562 - 06/13/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you all need to read "End the Fed' by Ron Paul. income tax should be eliminated altogether.


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    #14604569 - 06/13/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would somewhat agree with that statement, however soem form of taxation is needed to provide national defense and at a local level police officers. It should not change according to your wealth, it should be a flat rate (not percentage but dollar amount) that everyone pays to provide these things. As far as courts go, you would pay a form of insurance on any contract you signed or deal you went into agreement upon so that at a later date if said obligations were not met, you would have a recourse of action to take.

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14604599 - 06/13/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

as usually u are wrong. the only taxes should be on things we buy. the more u spend, the more taxes u pay.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14604632 - 06/13/11 04:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How am I wrong? Do you wish to not have national defense? If you only taxed on purchased goods then we would have a pretty ill equipped military. Entirely too many things can go wrong waiting on unkown amounts of income to support long term goals like protecting our country and our freedoms. I wish you would actually give some form of rebuttal other than your wrong, I like being proven wrong, but you will not even attempt it. It is ok, I will cut you some slack since you are a Libertarian. Wait isnt Stossel a libertarian? On Fox News? Oh no.

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14605364 - 06/13/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There is no way you pay more than half of your income to income taxes.  To try and incorporate other taxes into your statement is bringing in a whole new debate.  Go start a new thread.




I didn't say it was income tax, did I?  And I'll bring in any fucking taxes I pay should I feel like it.  Here is an approximate breakdown based on several year averages of our income: 
1.  Federal income tax, top bracket (probably about 33% for the whole thing)
2.  FICA around 15% for the first $100G then 3% for the rest.  (probably about 6% total)
3.  NY State income tax top bracket, around 7.5%
4.  Property taxes around 5%
5.  Sales taxes on anything I buy, say I spend half of the approximately half that is left from those other taxing entities.  That's another 2%/3% or so.
6.  Other taxes and government fees, probably not that much.  Maybe 1%.

It's over 50%.  That's on all of it.  The last dollar we make is taxed more than the average dollar we make.  The government disappears most of it down a rathole of incompetence and bum pandering.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14606136 - 06/13/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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How am I wrong? Do you wish to not have national defense? If you only taxed on purchased goods then we would have a pretty ill equipped military. Entirely too many things can go wrong waiting on unkown amounts of income to support long term goals like protecting our country and our freedoms. I wish you would actually give some form of rebuttal other than your wrong, I like being proven wrong, but you will not even attempt it. It is ok, I will cut you some slack since you are a Libertarian. Wait isnt Stossel a libertarian? On Fox News? Oh no.






ppl buy stuff everyday. a lot of stuff. where as now we waste a ton of money on the IRS, and giving out refunds, there would instead be a constant flow of income from sales tax. and if u stop taxing ppl's incomes, they will have a lot more money to spend won't they.

and as far as "national defense" it would be much cheaper if we didn't have military bases and troops in 130 countries, and in my opinion, make us a lot safer.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14607409 - 06/13/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes the flow would be constant, but you would have no way of making long term plans due to the unknown amount of income. If you can guess how much will be spent by consumers next month that is taxed let me know, I will place a bet with a bookie in Vegas.

So you think that we would be safer if did not have a military presence around the world? How? having troops in other countries whom we are allied with enables us to deploy to any location in the world within hours. We could not do that having troops only in the U.S. borders. Since you have an opinion on the matter I am sure more than just myself would like to hear it.

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14607564 - 06/13/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the gov't is trillions of dollars in debt, and con't to borrow more and more. they do not rely on how much tax they take in to spend money. changing they way we are taxed would not effect the way this in any way.


i think it is a waste of money to have troops in 130 countries. no other country has as many troops in as many countries, they seem to be safe. why do we need to be able to deploy to anywhere in the world with-in hours, we are not the world's police. so the only reason to have us spread out in such a manor is a bully effect. we to terrorize the wold.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14607648 - 06/13/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they seem to be safe

Most likely due to the fact that we are doing their jobs. It seems to me that since WWII we've been peace keeper for the world.  Not that we've always don't a good job of it.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Icelander]
    #14608013 - 06/13/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

or maybe they are safe because they don't send troops around the world and bully other countries out of there natural resources.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14608065 - 06/13/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In WWII who was stealing resources from the Germans?  What ever I may think about our recent military actions back in WWII we were the knight who came to the rescue.  Or maybe you think the Germans were bluffing?


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