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    #14603711 - 06/12/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, so I have been lurking on the site now for quite some time doing as much research as I can. and finally decided to go out today (not my first time). Me and a good friend of mine decided to walk through a local cow field as expected we found plenty of garbage mushrooms, but one kind growing in dung in a shaded area caught my attention. At this point it is very very small, but growing in very dark so it gets me to thinking that the spores may end up jet black. I'll post pics as soon as they are big enough to get any info out of. Really what I want to know if someone could give me a heads up to stake my claim or move on?
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Area, cow field found under trees in shade
When "smooshed" for lack of a better term they stain your hand black
dead/decaying wood near by
close to a small stream
weather has been between 80-90 100% humidity and warm rain.
If anyone can point me in the direction of what the "baby" mushrooms in my PA area look like I'd be glad to take a look (yes I have read the shrooms that grow in my area section)

Thanks in advance for any info hope I didn't piss anyone off
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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14604737 - 06/13/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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garbage mushrooms



And here I opened your thread all ready to identify some PA mushrooms- but alas, you have beat me to it.


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Re: Western PA [Re: CureCat]
    #14604781 - 06/13/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So really I'm more or less going to be wasting my time?


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14604790 - 06/13/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i don't think anyone is going to tell you what 'baby' mushrooms look like, but if you found other species of fully mature fruits, just wait for these to fruit and post some pictures, from your description i just picture a crap covered/muddy dark corner of some farm that you saw some black blobs from 100 feet away, but keep looking and take some pictures if you can

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Re: Western PA [Re: masspan]
    #14604803 - 06/13/11 07:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Right, that's exactly what I didn't want to do. Also clearly just because the spores my be black doesn't mean I'm going to go rush out and eat a hand full of mushrooms. On average how long does a mushroom take to grow to the point of identification? because these lil guys are prob no more than a day or so old. Also I must say I'm quite surprised at how nice, and fast the responses are :grin:


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14604806 - 06/13/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

oh, and no our faces were inches from the poo :/ lol they were really that small


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14605297 - 06/13/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ive never hunted in cow fields before. do the farmers just keep the patties where they were shat? or do they clean them up? you should have taken a patty home if the latter....


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Re: Western PA [Re: obavijest]
    #14605591 - 06/13/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

From what I know they just let it go, not saying they wouldn't scoop it up for fertilizer. But I'm going on another shrooming trip today, and just wanted to know if it was ok to get some quality pics just for some general ids (I just would like to know what I'm coming across). Is it ok to post them in this thread or should I open a new one (I really like this community and I really don't wanna piss a mod off :tongue:)


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14605714 - 06/13/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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From what I know they just let it go, not saying they wouldn't scoop it up for fertilizer. But I'm going on another shrooming trip today, and just wanted to know if it was ok to get some quality pics just for some general ids (I just would like to know what I'm coming across). Is it ok to post them in this thread or should I open a new one (I really like this community and I really don't wanna piss a mod off :tongue:)




It'd be just as easy to use this thread. Also, if you don't know how to post pictures on shroomery,

http://www.shroomery.org/5286/How-do-I-put-pictures-in-my-post


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Re: Western PA [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14605999 - 06/13/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So just right quick in my back yard (more to come I hope)

Found this guy on an old dead hard wood no idea


And these are of an inky cap if I'm not mistaken, and if I am let me know ha.




but I hope these are all sized well and are of good enough quality to get some info into my brain


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14606003 - 06/13/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What is usually a good pixel size for the forum?


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14606047 - 06/13/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Zach the orange mushroom growing from hardwood is a good edible -- it's either Laetiporus sulphureus or Laetiporus cincinnatus depending on the color of the pore surface (cincinnatus will have white pores, sulphureus will have yellow pores).


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Re: Western PA [Re: Chaos_ultt]
    #14606094 - 06/13/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Bad ass! I'll go check it out, and way that I should go about preparing it?


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14606109 - 06/13/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I made these tacos last year:



Basically I just fried some sliced chicken of the woods with onions, garlic and butter



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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14606197 - 06/13/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Just fried it up in a pan, holy yum!
Oh wow tacos would be a great idea I'll be on the look out for more.


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14606242 - 06/13/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

nice chicken but you should have let it grow, they get a lot bigger


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Re: Western PA [Re: The Thinker]
    #14607379 - 06/13/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If your in Western PA your wasting your time in COW feilds. No Cubes in PA cow feilds.


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Re: Western PA [Re: divo]
    #14607596 - 06/13/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Can we help me id any of these
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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14607670 - 06/13/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

All were found in hardwood forests, aside from 5 & 6 was found by pine I can also provide gill shots but are all white.


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14607688 - 06/13/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

does ur camera have a macro mode? if so use it ur pic will come out more defined


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Re: Western PA [Re: status_quoe]
    #14607729 - 06/13/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm using a smart phone cam. its a 5 meg. and not many features :sad:


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14608281 - 06/13/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

5 and 6 are an amanita, they have free white gills and patches of various types of veil material on the cap. When you post an amanita, dig up the base intact and take a picture of that too, it will help in the identification.


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Re: Western PA [Re: falcon]
    #14608687 - 06/13/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ok will do next time, also are they poison? Clearly they are a toadstool right? but are only the amanita muscaria "edible".


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14608892 - 06/13/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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amanita muscaria "edible".




I don't think edible is the proper term, they are not like psylocybin(sp?) mushrooms, but are psychoactive in a more disassociative way, can be very toxic.


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Re: Western PA [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #14609203 - 06/13/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

See, that's what I figured, so really it's more of a look but don't eat kinda thing, or is it "safe" (clearly you saying its toxic it can't be safe) in small doses? I just don't want to eat what is going to kill me and or pick what I can't use. I guess what I'm trying to say is toss it or not?


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    #14609234 - 06/13/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you know what you are doing, get the preperation and dose right it can be "safe" to some degree.

Personally, I don't mess with the things, never have, don't intend on it.  It doesn't sound like all that fun, and those that take it more than once seem to have a more "shamanistic" attitude towards them rather than recreation.

I could be totally wrong here, but I believe some parts of the mushroom are more toxic than others, I think the outside of the cap is exposed to high heat (like an oven) leaving psychoactive alkaloids (muscarine possibly?) and destroying toxins.  Please don't go by my word, if you are interested I would check out erowid's info on them
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Psychoactive Amanitas are mushrooms which contain the psychoactive chemicals ibotenic acid and muscimol. They have a long history of use in Asia and Northern Europe. They are best known for their distinctive appearance (bright reds and yellows with white spots).

There are many species of mushrooms in the Amanita genus which are not psychoactive. Some are deadly poisonous while others are edible.





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    #14609282 - 06/13/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the link, and I really enjoy going places in my head, its more than just getting high, but not as far a spiritual. If that makes any sense  :shrug:


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    #14609353 - 06/13/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ok so in the end I'm still not sure If the one I picked will kill me or make me a shaman....


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    #14609357 - 06/13/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks for the link, and I really enjoy going places in my head, its more than just getting high, but not as far a spiritual. If that makes any sense  :shrug:




I totally know what you are saying, and I'm glad to hear this :smile:

Still, these are nothing to be taken lightly, I just want to make sure you are informed about what you are getting into.  Read some of the experience reports at erowid, use the categories to check out both good and bad experiences.  Make sure you are fully prepared physically and mentally, we are not really taught in our culture how to approach things like this.  Exploring the depths of the mind and soul has lead many into some very dark places, drugs like this are neither for the foolhardy or the faint of heart. 

Animatas are beautiful mushrooms, I would consider myself lucky to find one!


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    #14609421 - 06/13/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ok so in the end I'm still not sure If the one I picked will kill me or make me a shaman....



Then by all means, don't eat it

Though people at the shroomery do their best to make good IDs, and if someone can make an ID with absolute certainty they usually will, but you should know enough yourself to be sure yourself if you were to ever eat anything you picked, especially when dealing with Animata, as many of this family will kill you.

Do not go and give yourself a false sense of confidence after reading a few posts at the shroomery, I have been at this for years and I still have trouble :shrug:


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Re: Western PA [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #14609444 - 06/13/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ya I saw it ans was like wow holy hell an Amanita on the way back to the car no friggn' way! But they have reports for the Red buggers only not my yellow guy and I dont think its a death cap or Destroying Angel either its for sure not white, but that doesn't mean I wont get hurt, unless all "flys" have the same compounds ? :shrug: But I love learning about myself tripping I find it a great escape and always come back with something relevant. But if you know of any info on the Amanita muscaria var. formosa that is what I believe I found Let me know Because if I won't die I'm excited to see where this cap may take me! (I hope not to an early grave) And right as of now I'm treating it as a poison


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14609829 - 06/14/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

As far as I know, A. muscaria and A. pantherina and their variations, are the only ones that carry Ibotenic Acid and Muscimol, and between the two, I hear, A. pantherina contains more of them. I'm not sure what those are, but they don't really look like either to me.
If you want to try out A. muscaria, make sure to find out what variations grow in your area. The ones in Europe tend to be red with white veil remnants. I think in North America on the east coast, there's color variations, yellow, orange etc, just look in woods (I prefer coniferous, but I hear they grow in deciduous as well).
Many people don't like the trip. I do. I think it's about preparation and finding out your ideal dose. And some stuff just isn't for everyone.
Finding other actives might be your better bet, but if in your travels, you learn to ID A. muscaria, you can give them a try. You usually can't fart in the woods without hitting half a dozen.
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Re: Western PA [Re: Darklight203]
    #14610021 - 06/14/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Righto, well I was in a pine forest in western pa if that helps, but any info on the trip just first hand I'll look it up in greater detail later.


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Re: Western PA [Re: Zacchaeous]
    #14613183 - 06/14/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Amanita is the genus, it encompasses many species, some are deadly poisonous, some are edible, some are innocuous, and some it isn't known if they are toxic or not. I can't see the base of your mushroom, so I'm not sure what it is. Toadstool is a colloquial term for mushrooms with no set meaning, saying an amanita is a toadstool doesn't tell you anything about them unless you define what you mean by toadstool.


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