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TrowaBarton
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#14603686 - 06/12/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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So im looking into upgrading my video card as when I look at windows experience index it rates everything alright accept like a 3.5 on the vid card....I play a lot of Starcraft2 and League of Legends.... I do have a buddy from work helping and he got a bunch of campatible Vid Cards and made a wish list for me of them... my only problem is that all the cards he got me are from what I can tell the same... they are pretty much all 1GB... I am not sure but I think I told him I am on a little bit of a budget but the prices on these are only about $100 and I could afford about 150-200 if that will do me any better.... Any Suggestions?
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1GB describes the amount of video RAM available on the cards. It has nothing to do with the actual speed of the card.
It seems as though the games you play are not very graphics heavy so I'd suggest an ATI 5770 or a nVidia GTS450. Both cards are fairly cheap these days.
Make sure that your power supply is enough to handle the new card.
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Well damn.... I just talked to a friend on the phone (different friend) who is really into computers too and he said my comp definately is shitty.... aparently there is not a PCI Express 2.0 slot in my comp so the only thing i can get is a PCI 1.1 card and there is only like 3 of them available and none offer a HDMI slot... and I dont have a DVI slot on my monitor/tv
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Your only option is to get a new computer.
A PCI 1.1 card in this day and age will be useless.
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too late now I just ordered one a lil bit ago... but surely I will be able to at least run smoothly with medium graphics on Starcraft2... right now I have to run on very low graphics... I have turned it up to medium a time or two and it looks so much better but it starts etting a little laggy so always have to go back to very low... SC2 can be VERY graphis intensive if your PC can handle it but i would be satisfied with just being able to kick it up to medium...
Right now I am running an integrated video so i figured for $30 I could at least give this a shot... EVGA 512-P2-N430-RX that is what I ordered....
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what i have now said something about a core clock at 350 and the new one said 450 so at least something is slightly better...
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The card you said you ordered is a PCI-Express card. I thought you said you didn't have a PCI-E slot?
Also, a nVidia 7200 is BELOW the minimum requirements for SC2.
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oh shit you gotta be kidding me that shit is less than the minimum... i did notice my paypal account had a one digit difference on zip code and it said it would be rejected if there were any difference... but they both work for my house so i dunno maybe i will get lucky and they wont ship it/charge me... but no my specs just say PCI Express x16 (one slot) and PCI Express x1 (three slots)... it doesnt say anything about PCI Express 2.0 ............ does that matter? is it maybe a 2.0 because if so I was planning on getting quite a bit better one as I said in the first post...
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also I just looked at my SC2 specs... it says MINIMUM REQUIREMENT - 128MB nVidia GeForce 6600 GT or ATI radeon 9800 or better....
or Recomended Specs - 512 MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX or Radeon HD 3870 or better....
now just by looking at the numbers nVidia 7200 sounds better than 6600??? again I dont know all that much about it but the damn number is higher???
also what I have currently is an ATI Radeon 3000 IGP...
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A PCI-E 2.0 card will work in a PCI-E 1.0 slot. It will just run slightly (and I mean slightly) slower than it is supposed to.
Cancel the order for the 7200 and order this; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150482
$100 and it will play all your games on the highest settings.
A 7200 series card is slower than a 6600. The speed of the card is dictated by the second number of the name. A 7600 would be the 7 series equivalent of a 6600.
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Edited by BlimeyGrimey (06/13/11 01:53 AM)
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OH SNAP! I just went and checked my order and the dam thing says it was charged already... dont think I can cancel it at this point... FML TOTAL waste of 35 bucks before that bitch even left their warehouse.... do you know if I can stop it still??? it is my firs time using newegg... also you are 100% sure that 2.0 will run on my PC?
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You can cancel the order before it gets shipped. Once it is shipped it is too late. Did you order the $30 one on newegg?
I am sure that a 2.0 PCI-E card will run on an older slot. They are forwards compatible. You simply won't be able to take advantage of any of the 2.0 improvements. It'll work as though it was a 1.0 card.
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Ok i figured out how to cancel (yea $30 one)... now the card you recommend will definately require me to upgrade my power supply... any way you can reccomend one for me? my POS only has a 250w
Ok sweet but it will still be QUITE an upgrad from what ive got now right?
Edited by TrowaBarton (06/13/11 02:42 AM)
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Here's a 530w for $40: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028
This will be a HUGE upgrade from the integrated graphics. A HD4850 is a high-end card. It will play games like Crysis on high settings.
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Alright awesome I ordered both of the things you suggested! they both looked bad ass... now if I can just figure out how to install those bad boys then my shit will hopefully blow me away
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Damn, I had a PCI-E 2.0 GeForce 6800 256MB that only required a 350W power supply to get rid of for cheap too...I wish I was on earlier.
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14616111 - 06/15/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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An old GF6800 would not be an upgrade for him. A GF6800 is obsolete as is, the HD4850 he ordered will allow him to play games for years to come at medium to high settings.
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Indeed the HD card is way better than a 6800, I agree. I'm an ATI fan anyways. Right on.
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14616231 - 06/15/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm an ATI fan too. Unfortunately, I'm running a nVidia GTS 250 at the moment.
Seeing as how you have the old GF6800 to get rid of, what did you replace it with?
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I replaced it with a Sapphire HD 5670 1GB that I LOVE!
This card is awesome, and overclocks 16% both on core and memory and still stays low on temps.
I can play Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 3, Neverwinter Nights 2, and Call of Duty 4 with all the graphics turned up to max at 1024 X 768.
I coulnd't be happier, and I didn't even have to upgrade my Dell 350W power supply, as it requires no external power connector
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Quote:
BlimeyGrimey said: the HD4850 he ordered will allow him to play games for years to come at medium to high settings.
Unlikely.
Seeing as he hasn't upgraded his CPU or ram, it will probably barely make a difference as games are becoming more and more demanding on CPUs. It used to be the case that all you need is a good video card and decent CPU... not anymore.
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Indeed, no matter how good of a video card you get, if the motherboard and CPU and use all it's capabilities, the card can't speed up the system past a certain point, no matter how good it is.
The only real way to make an excellent recommendation is to have the following information:
CPU Type and Speed RAM Motherboard and Chipset
Thankfully, all this info can be found using one easy program, just get CPU-Z from the site below and tell us that info 
http://goo.gl/eCslB
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Quote:
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Quote:
BlimeyGrimey said: the HD4850 he ordered will allow him to play games for years to come at medium to high settings.
Unlikely.
Seeing as he hasn't upgraded his CPU or ram, it will probably barely make a difference as games are becoming more and more demanding on CPUs. It used to be the case that all you need is a good video card and decent CPU... not anymore.
How do you know that his CPU needs upgrading? I don't remember him mentioning his CPU or RAM specs.
The fact that he is upgrading from IGP to a full-house HD4850 will give him a huge boost in performance, even if his CPU can't FULLY utilize the card.
What I said before still stands, I doubt that any game in the next 2-3 years will require something higher than a 4850 as the minimum.
If his CPU holds him back later then he won't have to worry about his GPU as it will still be up to par with current games. He can simply upgrade his CPU.
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OK well I hope you guys can give some advice... you sound like you know what you are talking about so let me tell you my new problem...
BTW... my shit is all good accept the damn vid card... 5g RAM and AMD Athlon dual core processor...
ANYWAYS.... I got all my stuff today and I hooked all of it up... the power supply I know is fine because after the full install and the damn thing failing to boot up I took out the vid card and now I am on using the integrated vid again... any tips you might have about the vid card install? I first tried it with the four pin connectors that came with the card and it didnt work then I tried with the six pin connector supplied with the PSU cutting out the 2 four pins and that didnt work either...
Also the first time I powered up after the initial install i heard my sound but the other times i didnt.... I found out that this was because it was bringing up an error screen saying new hardware was installed and asked if i wanted to run a disk check or boot normally...(I found all this out once I booted with my original integrated video)....
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Please get CPU-Z and run it, It's hard to help when we have no idea what we're working on.
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14621080 - 06/16/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Disable the onboard graphics in the BIOS, shut down the PC, install the new video card, restart computer, install newest driver for the 4850.
Check to see that the video card fan is spinning up when you restart the PC.
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Blimey is talking about disabling the onboard video in the BIOS
Your system might say "press F2 to enter setup" or some shit like that. Just enter the BIOS and disable onboard video, then shutdown and follow blimey's instructions. Remember to keep the side panel off.
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14622314 - 06/16/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well new update...
I have video coming through the vid card now, it just SUCKS worse than the onboard video... when I go into device manager it says the device is not working properly and gives a code 12... which states there is not enough free resources for it to use... I have uninstalled the drivers for the old video and also the BIOS is set for the new card but the shit just wont work.... called xfx for support and they told me "well there isnt any other devices for you to disable, so maybe try a different vid card and see if it works" but i dont have another vid card to try..... I was gonna go to a buddies a put the card in his pc to see if that will work but I cant get a hold of him...
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Did you install the newest drivers for the card from the ATI website? You may need to update the BIOS on your motherboard.
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Sounds like he needs a motherboard chipset update, which we could provide a link to if he'd ran that program lol
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My bad. 
For some reason I thought he was using an actual card, ATI HD 3000 series...
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This is why I recommended my old GeForce 6800 256MB...that's about the only card worth putting into it. That HD card WILL bottleneck the CPU for sure.
Sure it's not a badass card, but it'll play some games, and it's WAY better than integrated video for sure.
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He said his mobo had a PCI-e 1.1 slot which was came out in 2005. PCI-e 2.0 came out in 2007, thus his mobo is somewhere between 4-6 years old. That's half the age you claimed.
The fact that he has an AMD dual-core doesn't mean anything. AMD still produces dual-cores, they are not obsolete. It really depends on the model of dual core he has.
Will the boost he gets be worth it? Of course, that is why they add expansion slots to mobos, to be used. The reason his PC came with a 250w power supply is that companies like Dell like to discourage people from upgrading, thus they will buy the "gamer" Dell PC that is way over priced. Remember he was using an integrated ATI HD3000 IGP. The HD4850 will cause his PC to seem like it is a completely new PC. My nVidia GTS 250 does wonders for my PC compared to the integrated ATI HD4200 IGP.
After getting the card his CPU will be the most likely bottleneck. That isn't a big deal. Every computer has a part that is a bottleneck.
I wouldn't call a slight hiccup such as needing to disable the onboard graphics and upgrading his BIOS as "a slew of problems". It is all common stuff in the PC hobby. I've had more trouble trying to install a sound card than he has had so far with the new graphics card. It's just part of dealing with PC's.
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14624436 - 06/16/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dimi said: This is why I recommended my old GeForce 6800 256MB...that's about the only card worth putting into it.
His mobo has an ATI 3000 series IGP, which is 1 generation behind the HD4850 he just got. Yet, you somehow think that the best thing that his system can handle is a GF6800 that came out in 2005 (5-6 generations behind)?
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Okay, well that said here's the difference:
2004 || NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra | 53 GFLOPS | 35.2 GB/sec Bandwidth
2009 || Radeon 3000 Graphics | 23 GFLOPS | 20.8 GB/sec Bandwidth
Plus the GeForce frees up system RAM and offloads graphics processing from the CPU. Improvement? Yes. Cheap? Yes.
Sources:
NVidia: http://goo.gl/59NoG ATI: http://goo.gl/8tvPc
ATI data taken for model: RS780/RS780C
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
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I often forget the toll that an IGP takes on the system's RAM and CPU. Anything is better than integrated graphics.
His code 12 error seems to be a conflict between his onboard sound driver and the HD4850. After looking online for code 12 errors, it seems the most common cause for ATI and nVidia cards is a sound driver conflict.
This seems likely as he said his sound had problems when he connected the HD4850.
The solution would be to go into the Device Manager and disable the High Definition audio sound device and then install the HD4850.
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Alright well I see you guys think my PC is a POS but let me put this to rest... the whole PC is less than one year old... I got the most top of the line wally was offering at that time... I got SC2 and my PC same day when SC2 released... hell my integrated video wasnt even all that bad I just wanted graphics that screamed!
the confusion comes in because I though my PCI-e slot wasnt a 2.0... I thought it wasnt 2.0 because it simply wasnt labled as such only marked as PCI-E x16.... come to find out it definately is a 2.0
I had a friend of mine look at it while i was at work and aparently I didnt properly uninstall the old drivers for the integrated video... All is well now and I would like to thank Blimey for the suggestions of the equipment because I played my first game of Starcraft 2 with the graphics maxed out tonight and it was the most amazing shit ive ever seen!
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Glad I could help!
Download a demo of a graphics intensive game like Crysis or Metro 2033 and see what that HD4850 can really do!
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