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HeavyToilet
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BlimeyGrimey said: the HD4850 he ordered will allow him to play games for years to come at medium to high settings.
Unlikely.
Seeing as he hasn't upgraded his CPU or ram, it will probably barely make a difference as games are becoming more and more demanding on CPUs. It used to be the case that all you need is a good video card and decent CPU... not anymore.
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Dimi
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Indeed, no matter how good of a video card you get, if the motherboard and CPU and use all it's capabilities, the card can't speed up the system past a certain point, no matter how good it is.
The only real way to make an excellent recommendation is to have the following information:
CPU Type and Speed RAM Motherboard and Chipset
Thankfully, all this info can be found using one easy program, just get CPU-Z from the site below and tell us that info 
http://goo.gl/eCslB
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BlimeyGrimey
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HeavyToilet said:
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BlimeyGrimey said: the HD4850 he ordered will allow him to play games for years to come at medium to high settings.
Unlikely.
Seeing as he hasn't upgraded his CPU or ram, it will probably barely make a difference as games are becoming more and more demanding on CPUs. It used to be the case that all you need is a good video card and decent CPU... not anymore.
How do you know that his CPU needs upgrading? I don't remember him mentioning his CPU or RAM specs.
The fact that he is upgrading from IGP to a full-house HD4850 will give him a huge boost in performance, even if his CPU can't FULLY utilize the card.
What I said before still stands, I doubt that any game in the next 2-3 years will require something higher than a 4850 as the minimum.
If his CPU holds him back later then he won't have to worry about his GPU as it will still be up to par with current games. He can simply upgrade his CPU.
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OK well I hope you guys can give some advice... you sound like you know what you are talking about so let me tell you my new problem...
BTW... my shit is all good accept the damn vid card... 5g RAM and AMD Athlon dual core processor...
ANYWAYS.... I got all my stuff today and I hooked all of it up... the power supply I know is fine because after the full install and the damn thing failing to boot up I took out the vid card and now I am on using the integrated vid again... any tips you might have about the vid card install? I first tried it with the four pin connectors that came with the card and it didnt work then I tried with the six pin connector supplied with the PSU cutting out the 2 four pins and that didnt work either...
Also the first time I powered up after the initial install i heard my sound but the other times i didnt.... I found out that this was because it was bringing up an error screen saying new hardware was installed and asked if i wanted to run a disk check or boot normally...(I found all this out once I booted with my original integrated video)....
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Dimi
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Please get CPU-Z and run it, It's hard to help when we have no idea what we're working on.
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14621080 - 06/16/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Disable the onboard graphics in the BIOS, shut down the PC, install the new video card, restart computer, install newest driver for the 4850.
Check to see that the video card fan is spinning up when you restart the PC.
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Edited by BlimeyGrimey (06/16/11 05:40 AM)
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Dimi
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Blimey is talking about disabling the onboard video in the BIOS
Your system might say "press F2 to enter setup" or some shit like that. Just enter the BIOS and disable onboard video, then shutdown and follow blimey's instructions. Remember to keep the side panel off.
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14622314 - 06/16/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well new update...
I have video coming through the vid card now, it just SUCKS worse than the onboard video... when I go into device manager it says the device is not working properly and gives a code 12... which states there is not enough free resources for it to use... I have uninstalled the drivers for the old video and also the BIOS is set for the new card but the shit just wont work.... called xfx for support and they told me "well there isnt any other devices for you to disable, so maybe try a different vid card and see if it works" but i dont have another vid card to try..... I was gonna go to a buddies a put the card in his pc to see if that will work but I cant get a hold of him...
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Did you install the newest drivers for the card from the ATI website? You may need to update the BIOS on your motherboard.
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Dimi
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Sounds like he needs a motherboard chipset update, which we could provide a link to if he'd ran that program lol
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HeavyToilet
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My bad. 
For some reason I thought he was using an actual card, ATI HD 3000 series...
Edited by HeavyToilet (06/17/11 08:32 PM)
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Dimi
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This is why I recommended my old GeForce 6800 256MB...that's about the only card worth putting into it. That HD card WILL bottleneck the CPU for sure.
Sure it's not a badass card, but it'll play some games, and it's WAY better than integrated video for sure.
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He said his mobo had a PCI-e 1.1 slot which was came out in 2005. PCI-e 2.0 came out in 2007, thus his mobo is somewhere between 4-6 years old. That's half the age you claimed.
The fact that he has an AMD dual-core doesn't mean anything. AMD still produces dual-cores, they are not obsolete. It really depends on the model of dual core he has.
Will the boost he gets be worth it? Of course, that is why they add expansion slots to mobos, to be used. The reason his PC came with a 250w power supply is that companies like Dell like to discourage people from upgrading, thus they will buy the "gamer" Dell PC that is way over priced. Remember he was using an integrated ATI HD3000 IGP. The HD4850 will cause his PC to seem like it is a completely new PC. My nVidia GTS 250 does wonders for my PC compared to the integrated ATI HD4200 IGP.
After getting the card his CPU will be the most likely bottleneck. That isn't a big deal. Every computer has a part that is a bottleneck.
I wouldn't call a slight hiccup such as needing to disable the onboard graphics and upgrading his BIOS as "a slew of problems". It is all common stuff in the PC hobby. I've had more trouble trying to install a sound card than he has had so far with the new graphics card. It's just part of dealing with PC's.
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14624436 - 06/16/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dimi said: This is why I recommended my old GeForce 6800 256MB...that's about the only card worth putting into it.
His mobo has an ATI 3000 series IGP, which is 1 generation behind the HD4850 he just got. Yet, you somehow think that the best thing that his system can handle is a GF6800 that came out in 2005 (5-6 generations behind)?
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Okay, well that said here's the difference:
2004 || NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra | 53 GFLOPS | 35.2 GB/sec Bandwidth
2009 || Radeon 3000 Graphics | 23 GFLOPS | 20.8 GB/sec Bandwidth
Plus the GeForce frees up system RAM and offloads graphics processing from the CPU. Improvement? Yes. Cheap? Yes.
Sources:
NVidia: http://goo.gl/59NoG ATI: http://goo.gl/8tvPc
ATI data taken for model: RS780/RS780C
Edited by Dimi (06/16/11 07:30 PM)
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Re: Video Card [Re: Dimi]
#14624858 - 06/16/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I often forget the toll that an IGP takes on the system's RAM and CPU. Anything is better than integrated graphics.
His code 12 error seems to be a conflict between his onboard sound driver and the HD4850. After looking online for code 12 errors, it seems the most common cause for ATI and nVidia cards is a sound driver conflict.
This seems likely as he said his sound had problems when he connected the HD4850.
The solution would be to go into the Device Manager and disable the High Definition audio sound device and then install the HD4850.
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Alright well I see you guys think my PC is a POS but let me put this to rest... the whole PC is less than one year old... I got the most top of the line wally was offering at that time... I got SC2 and my PC same day when SC2 released... hell my integrated video wasnt even all that bad I just wanted graphics that screamed!
the confusion comes in because I though my PCI-e slot wasnt a 2.0... I thought it wasnt 2.0 because it simply wasnt labled as such only marked as PCI-E x16.... come to find out it definately is a 2.0
I had a friend of mine look at it while i was at work and aparently I didnt properly uninstall the old drivers for the integrated video... All is well now and I would like to thank Blimey for the suggestions of the equipment because I played my first game of Starcraft 2 with the graphics maxed out tonight and it was the most amazing shit ive ever seen!
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Glad I could help!
Download a demo of a graphics intensive game like Crysis or Metro 2033 and see what that HD4850 can really do!
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