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psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship
#14603258 - 06/12/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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recently ive come to the conclusion that a lot of the hype around psychedelics and the philosophy around them seems to be well, a bit off, or at least doesn't have much of a basis for making progress in finding happiness.
i listen to timothy leary and terence mckenna and i hear personal experience and revelation being told as fact. i mean a lot of the basic ideas are sound, the getting in touch with ones true self and thinking for yourself but then it starts to trail off into complicated ideas about aliens helping create us by giving us mushrooms and it begins to be about not making someone happy but telling them to be free and learn through personal experience and then saying, now believe this instead
i feel like in terms of working on happiness and freeing yourself, we don;t have to think about what created ourselves and taking mass amounts of acid to dissolve our ego, we can do small things like learn to love people through practice and meditation, learning to live in the now. just simpler things that really do a lot, and take a lot of practice, but the concepts behind them aren't overly complicated mazes that seem to lead to nowhere.
that doesn't mean i don't think psychedelics aren't useful, they can really open you up to new ways of thinking and let you really reflect on what you feel at this time, as well as unlock hidden things you weren't aware of, but that's only part of the journey to happiness, it's only a tool to help you understand new things under the skin.
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: thedudeman]
#14603431 - 06/12/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh shit, you grew up!
Yes, it is just another myth laid on us that dies over time.
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: thedudeman]
#14605300 - 06/13/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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thedudeman said: recently ive come to the conclusion that a lot of the hype around psychedelics and the philosophy around them seems to be well, a bit off, or at least doesn't have much of a basis for making progress in finding happiness.
i listen to timothy leary and terence mckenna and i hear personal experience and revelation being told as fact. i mean a lot of the basic ideas are sound, the getting in touch with ones true self and thinking for yourself but then it starts to trail off into complicated ideas about aliens helping create us by giving us mushrooms and it begins to be about not making someone happy but telling them to be free and learn through personal experience and then saying, now believe this instead
i feel like in terms of working on happiness and freeing yourself, we don;t have to think about what created ourselves and taking mass amounts of acid to dissolve our ego, we can do small things like learn to love people through practice and meditation, learning to live in the now. just simpler things that really do a lot, and take a lot of practice, but the concepts behind them aren't overly complicated mazes that seem to lead to nowhere.
that doesn't mean i don't think psychedelics aren't useful, they can really open you up to new ways of thinking and let you really reflect on what you feel at this time, as well as unlock hidden things you weren't aware of, but that's only part of the journey to happiness, it's only a tool to help you understand new things under the skin.
But of course. There are extreme users on both ends of the spectrum, worshiping the drug or calling it BS.
Psychedelics can be a very useful tool for unlocking your mind. They are also alot of fun. I would never tell someone else how to use psychedelics, that is their own personal preferences. However for me, sometimes I trip for a journey into my mind, to find out more about myself, to tease my mind, to explore. Othertimes I trip just for the fun of it and am not ashamed to admit it.
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Psychedelics can be a very useful tool for unlocking your mind.
What do you mean by unlocking your mind?
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: 4896744]
#14605378 - 06/13/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychedelics can be a very useful tool for unlocking your mind.
What do you mean by unlocking your mind?
Well.. I LOVE journeying into my mind, and by unlocking it I mean basically journeying deep into my mind. I love teasing my mind, playing with it, delving deeeply into it, finding out stuff about me. Thats what I mean by unlocking - becoming more aware of myself and my mind.
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If you've journeyed way into your mind then tell us about your death anxiety and how fun it is.
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: Icelander]
#14605467 - 06/13/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: If you've journeyed way into your mind then tell us about your death anxiety and how fun it is.
Don't have death anxiety at all. I used to be afraid of it, but after this one crazy trip I realized that death is just another beginning, and nothing to be afraid of.
The only time I ever get freaked out thinking I am going to die is amphetamine psychosis or anxiety attacks from weed. But that is a slightly different scenario lol.
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: Icelander]
#14605619 - 06/13/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: If you've journeyed way into your mind then tell us about your death anxiety and how fun it is.
Don't have death anxiety at all. I used to be afraid of it, but after this one crazy trip I realized that death is just another beginning, and nothing to be afraid of.
The only time I ever get freaked out thinking I am going to die is amphetamine psychosis or anxiety attacks from weed. But that is a slightly different scenario lol.
How is death another beginning?
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: 4896744]
#14607090 - 06/13/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: If you've journeyed way into your mind then tell us about your death anxiety and how fun it is.
Don't have death anxiety at all. I used to be afraid of it, but after this one crazy trip I realized that death is just another beginning, and nothing to be afraid of.
The only time I ever get freaked out thinking I am going to die is amphetamine psychosis or anxiety attacks from weed. But that is a slightly different scenario lol.
How is death another beginning?
it is if there is an after life, if not, then it's just the end. which is fine
i don't think you've really relieved your fear of death if you believe it's another beginning, im still afraid of death because it's an end, and facing an end is not something that comes from one intense experience. but i can't tell you what you feel, i can only say that facing death is facing the end not finding a way to convince yourself that it is not really an end.
accepting your death is a long process...
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If you ever got dropped into a war zone you'd quickly find death anxiety alive and well.
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: Icelander]
#14607208 - 06/13/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You need to start a 'scare the shit outta you' seminar. Only $1800 for three weekends.
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: Icelander]
#14608440 - 06/13/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: If you've journeyed way into your mind then tell us about your death anxiety and how fun it is.
Don't have death anxiety at all. I used to be afraid of it, but after this one crazy trip I realized that death is just another beginning, and nothing to be afraid of.
The only time I ever get freaked out thinking I am going to die is amphetamine psychosis or anxiety attacks from weed. But that is a slightly different scenario lol.
How is death another beginning?
it is if there is an after life, if not, then it's just the end. which is fine
i don't think you've really relieved your fear of death if you believe it's another beginning, im still afraid of death because it's an end, and facing an end is not something that comes from one intense experience. but i can't tell you what you feel, i can only say that facing death is facing the end not finding a way to convince yourself that it is not really an end.
accepting your death is a long process...
I don't mean a beginning as in an afterlife. I mean a switch back to as it was before you were born - nothingness.
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Icelander said: If you ever got dropped into a war zone you'd quickly find death anxiety alive and well.
Maybe so. Fear can play horrible tricks on the mind.
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a switch back into nothingness is the same as an end, it's just a different word to describe the switch back into nothingness
theres life which is coming from nothingness into something, and death which is the end and a switch back into nothingness.
i don't know and i can't say whether we reincarnate but we obviously never gain perception from our past life so the end is still the end even if it takes us to the same place we were before we were born.
i'm young, and i feel like reaching a comfortableness with death is more then an experience and that we can't really know whether we are or not. but i feel like feeling life in each moment will make you appreciate it more, and in turn make death seem like it hasn't come so fast, making it less scary. but idk
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: thedudeman]
#14609288 - 06/13/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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a switch back into nothingness is the same as an end, it's just a different word to describe the switch back into nothingness
theres life which is coming from nothingness into something, and death which is the end and a switch back into nothingness.
i don't know and i can't say whether we reincarnate but we obviously never gain perception from our past life so the end is still the end even if it takes us to the same place we were before we were born.
i'm young, and i feel like reaching a comfortableness with death is more then an experience and that we can't really know whether we are or not. but i feel like feeling life in each moment will make you appreciate it more, and in turn make death seem like it hasn't come so fast, making it less scary. but idk
I like what you wrote. I still wonder what will happen, however I am more at peace.
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I think there are lots of people like mckenna on earth, but only when they start talking about the supernatural do they become very popular in book sales
I hope that can change... but really it seems in order to bring these ideas to the world they tend to need to appeal to those people seriously looking for something new to believe.
Id rather that it was an idea that spread to people who were content in their rut. An idea that recruited those who arent looking for answers but nevertheless might benefit from a new perspective
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: thedudeman]
#14609764 - 06/14/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychedelics can be a valuable tool in shedding cultural and symbolic baggage, as well as increasing general creativity and imagination. But at the end of the day if you don't have any eggs in you basket to begin with sprinkling some magical dust over it won't make them suddenly appear.
The key is good measure and intent, and this applies to all things in life.
If you smoke cannabis everyday you will become just as cynical about it's intellectually cathartic properties as a horror film critic would about the artistic value of horror as a genre.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder and familiarity breeds contempt.
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Ziggy-Shr00mdust said: Psychedelics can be a valuable tool in shedding cultural and symbolic baggage, as well as increasing general creativity and imagination. But at the end of the day if you don't have any eggs in you basket to begin with sprinkling some magical dust over it won't make them suddenly appear.
The key is good measure and intent, and this applies to all things in life.
If you smoke cannabis everyday you will become just as cynical about it's intellectually cathartic properties as a horror film critic would about the artistic value of horror as a genre.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder and familiarity breeds contempt.
i suppose they can be, but ive met few people who experienced this deterioration of cultural and symbolic baggage and said it never came back. this is the problem, it's only a temporary shredding of baggage and the actual shredding of this baggage takes time and effort and practice.
the day i hear of someone who has been permanently shredded of this due to one trip, or tripping in general without any kind of effort and practice towards achieving the same goal, i will be amazed.
i feel like the shredding of that is purely to let you know you can exist without it, which once again brings me to the conclusion that these drugs are merely for showing you something new, not creating a HUGE permanent shift.
these are the formula(s)
person wanting change(or sometimes not) + psychedelic = new perceptions
new perceptions/ideas + practicing = progress
new perceptions/ideas + nothing = new perceptions/ideas
so if i take a psychedelic and realize that everything i have experienced only has meaning because i give it meaning, this doesn't mean suddenly those things have no meaning for good. this means that i now know this and can practice working on diminishing there meaning, how do i do this? research ways, i've heard stuff by a few buddhists talking about changing your perception to this, but i know it takes much practice and is more of progression then a result. but if i do nothing, things slowly go back to the way they were.
let me know if this is off it's just the idea i get from talking to a few people in person and on here.
using this idea i've come to the conclusion that if i want to achieve a greater sense of happiness and peace and to see new things about myself i can't JUST take psychedelics, i have to practice. unfortunately lately i have not been, so i need to get back into the habit.
also i feel a lot of the most important revelations i've gotten from trips i could have gotten from plain old meditation. but i'm not sure
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Re: psychedelic use vs psychedelic worship [Re: Noteworthy]
#14660664 - 06/23/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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one of the biggest problems with the idea of needing to bring happiness to people is that it seems to be almost like recruitment or conversion, saying that people NEED to believe something seems wrong. it's a way to force others into believing your point of view. if someone wants to live without understanding that's their business and in fact i don't find some of these people to be all that bad, so what if they don't want to talk about new ideas and how they've been trying to better themselves through practice? they can still enjoy a beer with me, we just won't have a deep relationship, and that's fine. i say appreciating people for their good and ignoring the bad(if it's not overwhelming) is a good thing. i need not have an army of me because one is enough.
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