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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
#14600254 - 06/12/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had a similar perspective on psychedelics years ago. I've learned to take myself and the experience less seriously.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: MOPE]
#14600263 - 06/12/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It seems like joemolloy started a revolution of sorts. I commend you. You've definity opened my eyes in a different direction. I'm still not sure if the "lies" these drugs create are lies or not, but i havent tripped on shrooms in over a year, and i kinda forget what the experience is like. I've been smoking salvia more, because its the only thing i can find. Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more. I want to find some mushrooms again so i can how they treat me nowadays. But overall i reize its just a drug,and the reason i take drugs is to have a good time.. Less seriousness in using these drugs and life in general could be good for everyone i think.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
#14600308 - 06/12/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Libertin said: Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:
You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.
Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.
I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.
Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.
I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.
Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.

Sorry I guess Im not as enlightened as yourself.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
#14600336 - 06/12/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The psychedelic experience is extremely unique to the individual and it can take different people in all different directions, and clearly yours has taken you in a very personally spiritual one. Giving it high spiritual value isn't what makes you a pompous ass...and even saying "this isn't the greatest drug for recreational use" wouldn't make you a pompous ass, you would just be communicating your experiences. What makes you a pompous ass, is when you go as far as saying people who do find this to be an excellent recreational drug are wrong. Normally when I see people with this attitude, it's the ones so obsessed with "killing their ego" that they are actually just building up a giant one. Ask yourself...are you finding spiritual insight, or are you trying to make a new you who you like better than the old one? I'm not trying to tell you the answer to that question as it's not to my knowledge nor is it any of my business, I'm just giving you some food for thought because I've been there.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: floydisgod]
#14600368 - 06/12/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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floydisgod said: It seems like joemolloy started a revolution of sorts. I commend you. You've definity opened my eyes in a different direction. I'm still not sure if the "lies" these drugs create are lies or not, but i havent tripped on shrooms in over a year, and i kinda forget what the experience is like. I've been smoking salvia more, because its the only thing i can find. Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more. I want to find some mushrooms again so i can how they treat me nowadays. But overall i reize its just a drug,and the reason i take drugs is to have a good time.. Less seriousness in using these drugs and life in general could be good for everyone i think.
I think people need to stop taking joe so seriously. No offense to him as I do have a decent amount of respect for his opinion, but quit treating him like a god. Following his words like sheep and saying he's starting a "revolution" is no better than falling into psychedelic delusion-land, because you're still not using your own brain. I may not be speaking to you specifically, but I've seen this in other people, just blindly jumping on the joemolloy bandwagon...I'd wager he finds it pretty stupid too.
Everyone just needs to accept a simple fact: it's either bullshit or it's not, and we have absolutely no way whatsoever of knowing. Do with that what you will, but to say that that's information you didn't already know is just stupid, it's just information you didn't want to admit to yourself. Personally, that doesn't mean I'm going to stop searching...it just means I've learned not to take the search too seriously, and to not really care if it's all bullshit and just enjoy the ride anyway.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: PoopyGonzales]
#14600376 - 06/12/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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PoopyGonzales said: Too me man. Mushrooms are what YOU make of them, if you think you're taking some super hectic medicine well keep going, but the only thing your medicine will cure is Sanity.
Who are you to tell people they are missing a point. There is no point, all i can say is that you are going crazy trying to reason with yourself why you take drugs, rather than stop and live a normal life, you need excuses to live a super colourful and super charged life.
I agree with PoopyGonzales. "Psychedelic" means mind manifesting. I love that definition because that's EXACTLY what they do.
My mind is full of spiritual thoughts and ideas, that's why my trips usually contain a spiritual elements. This is not however the limit of what my mind can do. My mind is full of other things such love, appreciation, engineering jargon, sex, entertainment and fun. Each of these things can be emphasized and explored by psychedelics just as much as the spiritual side of you.
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joemolloy said: Think about it, all these drugs really do is make you THINK. Nonstop thinking at breakneck speed with random colors, intersecting ideas, and occasional visions and distorted dreamlike moments that are brought to life
I agree. It's just thinking. Enlightenment can be achieved through thinking, but so can self delusion. Introspection can be achieved through thinking but so can simple enjoyment.
Psychedelics don't have a purpose, you yourself have a purpose and you can choose if you would like to add psychedelics to that equation or not.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: tokinman21]
#14600513 - 06/12/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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floydisgod said: It seems like joemolloy started a revolution of sorts. I commend you. You've definity opened my eyes in a different direction. I'm still not sure if the "lies" these drugs create are lies or not, but i havent tripped on shrooms in over a year, and i kinda forget what the experience is like. I've been smoking salvia more, because its the only thing i can find. Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more. I want to find some mushrooms again so i can how they treat me nowadays. But overall i reize its just a drug,and the reason i take drugs is to have a good time.. Less seriousness in using these drugs and life in general could be good for everyone i think.
I think people need to stop taking joe so seriously. No offense to him as I do have a decent amount of respect for his opinion, but quit treating him like a god. Following his words like sheep and saying he's starting a "revolution" is no better than falling into psychedelic delusion-land, because you're still not using your own brain. I may not be speaking to you specifically, but I've seen this in other people, just blindly jumping on the joemolloy bandwagon...I'd wager he finds it pretty stupid too.
I don't think anyone on this site is a sheep, whether they agree with me or not. I forcefully propose a constellation of ideas that are rarely persuasively expressed or coherently articulated on drug sites. I didn't create them, my mom pointed me in their direction during the peaks of some intense trips and afterwards I connected some dots. The fact that some people relate to what I say or can see some truth in my opinions is because they are rational, critical, and skeptical ideas. These are three traits of thinking that sometimes get bulldozed by a drug-addled mind.
There really is no recreational guide to psychedelics, but there is much spiritual literature and advice in psychedelic culture. I'd welcome a change of thinking about these drugs because my path might have been a healthier one had I known then what I think I know now.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
#14600643 - 06/12/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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floydisgod said: It seems like joemolloy started a revolution of sorts. I commend you. You've definity opened my eyes in a different direction. I'm still not sure if the "lies" these drugs create are lies or not, but i havent tripped on shrooms in over a year, and i kinda forget what the experience is like. I've been smoking salvia more, because its the only thing i can find. Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more. I want to find some mushrooms again so i can how they treat me nowadays. But overall i reize its just a drug,and the reason i take drugs is to have a good time.. Less seriousness in using these drugs and life in general could be good for everyone i think.
I think people need to stop taking joe so seriously. No offense to him as I do have a decent amount of respect for his opinion, but quit treating him like a god. Following his words like sheep and saying he's starting a "revolution" is no better than falling into psychedelic delusion-land, because you're still not using your own brain. I may not be speaking to you specifically, but I've seen this in other people, just blindly jumping on the joemolloy bandwagon...I'd wager he finds it pretty stupid too.
I don't think anyone on this site is a sheep, whether they agree with me or not. I forcefully propose a constellation of ideas that are rarely persuasively expressed or coherently articulated on drug sites. I didn't create them, my mom pointed me in their direction during the peaks of some intense trips and afterwards I connected some dots. The fact that some people relate to what I say or can see some truth in my opinions is because they are rational, critical, and skeptical ideas. These are three traits of thinking that sometimes get bulldozed by a drug-addled mind.
There really is no recreational guide to psychedelics, but there is much spiritual literature and advice in psychedelic culture. I'd welcome a change of thinking about these drugs because my path might have been a healthier one had I known then what I think I know now.
Perhaps this wasn't the right spot to communicate that, because I guess the post I was directing mine at wasn't really who I should've been. I agree that a majority of people who change their minds about various subjects after reading your posts are using their brains, but I'm also seeing another group that's just jumping on the bandwagon. I suppose that's natural though, it is in human nature to be rather sheep-ish and I guess that probably has nothing to do with the particular situation...there will always just be those people.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: tokinman21]
#14600814 - 06/12/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm a huge rock music fan....and i use mushrooms to enhance my favorite psychedelic music
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
#14601007 - 06/12/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Libertin said: Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed.
Who are you to say that Open Eyed Visuals can not be just as intense as close eyed? Have you ever tried DMT? IME there are numerous times where you can not distinguish close eyed from open eyed on DMT, and if you are so spiritual and such a true psychonaut you would know that the mental effects are what most important not the visuals.
Why must one trip alone? Why must it be quiet? Bouncing ideas off people while tripping can lead to lots of insight and interesting ideas. I think that your view on tripping is kind of naive and narrow.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: JimLahey]
#14601081 - 06/12/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between
Eh...if you believe that there is some special truth or reality reserved for the few who do things in some specialized way then all you're missing is a tax exempt status. The only point of any experience is to have it...
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Yippie]
#14601350 - 06/12/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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@OP The point is not to judge others, and by you saying someone who does things for different reasons than yourself, is wrong... Just proves you are the one missing the point.
Government is the reason for the bad image, not any self righteous bs you're spewing. What a complete tool.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
#14601932 - 06/12/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug.
My recreational drug use has centered on mushrooms for many years now. As well as my spiritual use. And other uses. And the mushrooms don't seem to mind at all.
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Edited by PrimalSoup (06/12/11 05:02 PM)
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: tokinman21]
#14602263 - 06/12/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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tokinman21 said: The psychedelic experience is extremely unique to the individual and it can take different people in all different directions, and clearly yours has taken you in a very personally spiritual one. Giving it high spiritual value isn't what makes you a pompous ass...and even saying "this isn't the greatest drug for recreational use" wouldn't make you a pompous ass, you would just be communicating your experiences. What makes you a pompous ass, is when you go as far as saying people who do find this to be an excellent recreational drug are wrong. Normally when I see people with this attitude, it's the ones so obsessed with "killing their ego" that they are actually just building up a giant one. Ask yourself...are you finding spiritual insight, or are you trying to make a new you who you like better than the old one? I'm not trying to tell you the answer to that question as it's not to my knowledge nor is it any of my business, I'm just giving you some food for thought because I've been there.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: VTtripper]
#14602293 - 06/12/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used to think joemolly was a troll, but now I think he's the smartest guy around here who provides a fresh perspective. Where would we be without him on this site... It would be a chaotic display of delusional posts of people who think they are finding the answers yet they can't properly articulate them to others.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Canadian Bud]
#14602471 - 06/12/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Canadian Bud said: I used to think joemolly was a troll, but now I think he's the smartest guy around here who provides a fresh perspective. Where would we be without him on this site... It would be a chaotic display of delusional posts of people who think they are finding the answers yet they can't properly articulate them to others.
If you think about it, it's just common sense really. Those people who are adapt to spiritual thought, are not likely to believe what Joe really has to say, as well that not everyone really speaks their view on what they believe they gain from psychedelic experiences.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Canadian Bud]
#14602500 - 06/12/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Canadian Bud said: I used to think joemolly was a troll, but now I think he's the smartest guy around here who provides a fresh perspective. Where would we be without him on this site... It would be a chaotic display of delusional posts of people who think they are finding the answers yet they can't properly articulate them to others.
I'm a sad soul with a psychedelic drug habit/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it. I'm just trying to work my way through it and hoping that I can keep a healthy relationship with these drugs. By calling bullshit on the mystical/spiritual/medicinal benefits of these drugs, they have lost part of their glimmering appeal to me.
My next step is to see if taking them for purely recreational purposes will also devolve into habitual, addictive behavior. So far, so good but we know that the mind is sneaky fucker and I'm really my own worst enemy because the lies I tell myself are so fucking clever. Oh, its a bitch. Can I just take this shit recreationally every once and a while and not be obsessed about them?
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
#14602526 - 06/12/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: There really is no recreational guide to psychedelics,
I beg to differ. There is a FABULOUS book on recreational psychedelic use called "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide." See: http://www.erowid.org/library/review/review.php?p=334
Outstanding book. I heartily recommend it.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
#14602612 - 06/12/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Canadian Bud said: I used to think joemolly was a troll, but now I think he's the smartest guy around here who provides a fresh perspective. Where would we be without him on this site... It would be a chaotic display of delusional posts of people who think they are finding the answers yet they can't properly articulate them to others.
I'm a sad soul with a psychedelic drug habit/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it. I'm just trying to work my way through it and hoping that I can keep a healthy relationship with these drugs. By calling bullshit on the mystical/spiritual/medicinal benefits of these drugs, they have lost part of their glimmering appeal to me.
My next step is to see if taking them for purely recreational purposes will also devolve into habitual, addictive behavior. So far, so good but we know that the mind is sneaky fucker and I'm really my own worst enemy because the lies I tell myself are so fucking clever. Oh, its a bitch. Can I just take this shit recreationally every once and a while and not be obsessed about them?
You call bullshit for what these drugs do not benefit yourself with, but you still take these drugs? Why do you herald whilst sober that there are is no actual achievement for yourself when taking psychedelics besides being for recreational use, but you still admit that your usage is more to do than that? Is it that you do not want to deny yourself fully that maybe your belief of spirituality or belief of achieving medically beneficial effects from your use is non-existent? Is it that you want delude yourself in a subconscious level to escape the reality, or is your habit due to boredom? I find your points very interesting, but for everybody there are their own beliefs, and for them, they may achieve insight that for a rational mind like yours can be seen as delusion, but for the person deluding them-self, gives them a sense of purpose? And you may not have any medical benefits from hallucinogenic drug use, but what about people who suffer from cluster headaches, or terminally ill patients that may benefit from a psychological boost?
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
#14602680 - 06/12/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The drugs feel awesome to me. When tripping I experience a happiness, a joy, a pleasure that normal life can never match. I have a good life, a strong family, plenty of love, financial security, that million dollar smile - all of it. But powerful drugs that flood the pleasure centers of the brain can sometimes make a wonderful sober life sparkle less often. That's the price of admission, I guess, and its a hefty one to pay. Sometimes I wonder if its worth it.
While I may often arrogantly project my experience on others, I don't know what is going on in anyone's head or have access to their true motivations and that's why I envy people who don't fall into the habitual, abusive, and addictive patterns of drug use like I did.
I'm sure there are people out there who use these drugs responsibly and benefit from them - but I don't think their trips feel like mine - if they were, they'd get addicted too. Is that unfair or fucked up thinking? I think that many habitual drug users will eventually stumble upon a drug that hits their sweet spot. My drug was ayahuasca.
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