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(OBHAT) Nobody can beat this...
#14602155 - 06/12/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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...ever.
Here comes a new challenger! Apparently ya'll niggas weren't too fond of the original video...I thought the group dynamic was interesting and that the shred was supremely skilled, but maybe this will suit you guys better. Post a (friendly) "challenge" if ya want...or bask in the glory of Bucket. Either way, we all win. 
(Original video)
This is now the Official Buckethead Appreciation Thread (OBHAT).
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: KingEmblem]
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: KingEmblem]
#14606449 - 06/13/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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pffft wrong! He's good, but Buckethead plays with absolutely zero emotion. he's just up there playing fast, and you think that's the best guitar work ever?
Ever heard of Joe Satriani?
Not the best, but definitely better than that noise
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bucket head is nasty
slash has some of the best solos known to man
got damn boy
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: Konyap]
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3:00 to 3:10, where he goes for those highest notes, you can hear an aggressive and subtle melody streaming through the speed. You may have to listen close to hear it,
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MadSeasonAbove said: He's good, but Buckethead plays with absolutely zero emotion.
Is that cuz he's wearing a mask and bucket on his head?
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..
Don't get me wrong, I like some of his stuff, but he just doesn't play to my guitar God standards. That's what I should have said.
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Quote:
MadSeasonAbove said: doesn't play to my guitar God standards.
here you go...
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: Byrain]
#14610754 - 06/14/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eric Friesen RIP
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MadSeasonAbove said: Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..
Don't get me wrong, I like some of his stuff, but he just doesn't play to my guitar God standards. That's what I should have said.

Me neither. I dont know what is it. When I hear music like this I think of robots or something. Just a bunch of fast notes in a certain key set to a tempo. Plastic with no emotion.
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I can't believe I'm reading this on the Shroomery. Of all the guitar gods, Buckethead is definitely the most fitting to this community. His stuff sounds insane, funky, schizo-psychedelic. If you think Bucket plays with no emotion, you don't know Bucket, that's the simple truth. You're gonna tell me the part from 4:15 to 5:05 has no emotion? To me it sounds like an advanced cybernetic being from the future hardcore hallucinating about how amazing it'd feel to finally get revenge on the guy who murdered his parents. 
You can play fast and still play with feeling. There's other emotions beside sadness or calm...Bucket's stuff is typically emphatic as hell, very powerful, and he does it at break-neck speeds if he wants to, which isn't always...the diversity in Buckethead's (HUGE) discography is mindblowing, while still remaining mostly instrumental guitar. I actually really liked the Satriani video posted, but I don't see how it has any more emotion than the OP video. I'd say less, but it's quite obvious both of these guys are at the top of the guitar world and at that point it's just opinion.
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: KingEmblem]
#14615959 - 06/15/11 06:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Since we're on the subject, kind of, would someone mind explaining what they hear in, say, Eric Friesen's playing and not Buckethead? In the Windham Hell song posted, I heard several guitar parts that sound like what Buckethead is doing/has done, the only main differences I noticed were the shrillness of the notes and some major echo or something to create that huge ambiance; I don't see how one warrants "pffft wrong! He's good, but Buckethead plays with absolutely zero emotion" and the other " " when the divide between the two players isn't that large, if it even exists.
I know it is all opinion/subjective, but I am still curious about what you have to say.
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: WScott]
#14616183 - 06/15/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like ups and downs. Not just Quote:
I_was_the_walrus said:a bunch of fast notes
Please don't take offense, it's not like I am completely ripping on him here.
You know how Opeth goes from one extreme to another? Granted I haven't heard every song bucket head has made so my opinions stay with me.
The title of the thread is "nobody can beat this" and shows a video. Which, I did say he is good, but that to me isn't the best of the best.
Are you guys saying that Buckethead is the best guitarist on the face of the Earth?
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I'm not saying he is the best. If you like ups and downs, try 'Buckethead - Lurker at the Threshold'.
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: WScott]
#14616465 - 06/15/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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what is happening to my ears @ 6:20? 
Is the rest of that album like that? that was pretty chill. I will take back the ignorant comment on he "plays with zero emotion." But the song in the OP video was just lacking imo. 
That song though was definitely different from what I've heard.
find me another song that's similar by him please
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: WScott]
#14617320 - 06/15/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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WScott said: Since we're on the subject, kind of, would someone mind explaining what they hear in, say, Eric Friesen's playing and not Buckethead?
Its the atmosphere of soaring over snow capped mountains that I like in Windham Hell and I only posted it cause I thought someone may appreciate it. Not that its necessarily better then Buckethead, even if I far prefer it. As for Buckethead, he's talented guitarist, but he doesn't really capture my attention. Perhaps on a technical level, there may not be much of a divide, but on an atmospheric/emotional level they cover entirely different ground.
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: Byrain]
#14617379 - 06/15/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eh its all opinion. No hard feelings. Being a musician myself, I can definitely appreciate what he does. The guys obviously way fucking good at guitar and most likely understands music to a point I couldnt even comprehend. Im just sayin...not my thang
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omar lopez shits on these guys live
he's better then my guitar teacher !
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MadSeasonAbove said:
Are you guys saying that Buckethead is the best guitarist on the face of the Earth?
Hmm, honestly, yes, I am. His sheer technical skill, emotional depth, speed, complexity, headiness, variety, HUGE discography, both solo and too many efforts with other guitarists to count, and just overall conviction is astounding. By that I guess I mean his songs really resonate with me; he really feels it and means it every time.
I listen to A LOT of Bucket. Like 80-90% of my music time since discovering him last year. If you saw my most played list on Winamp, the top 50 or so are all Bucket and some songs 100+ listens. They're works of art; they don't get boring. It would be like getting bored of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.
It helps to be stoned and play it through good speakers (this is the Shroomery, I'm sure most of you guys aren't underage and got this covered. I hate showing Buckethead to someone and they play a song through some shitty laptop speakers and declare it sucks. You can't ever hear half the notes or the background melody, FFS. ).
Here's some more emotional/varied work by Bucket, since you requested it. Both of these are from a band he was in called Thanatopsis. All the guitar is by him, of course. To me the three Thanatopsis albums are Bucket's finest, most inspired work. There's only 3 albums, each sounds fairly different from the others, and they're all masterpieces all the way through. Go get them!
From the second album, Axiology:
Perhaps my favorite Bucket song, from the third album, Anatomize:
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MadSeasonAbove said: what is happening to my ears @ 6:20? 
That perfectly describes how I feel listening to the Master Bucket most of the time.
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: KingEmblem]
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At the end of the day there is no "best guitarist" if this is what we are really talking about. There is no way to measure this, there can be no way to work a difinitive answer out.
You can find the quickest guitarist, you could possibly find the most adept at time changes or maybe the most diverse in terms of playing styles but it's literally impossible to find "the best" guitarist. Such a thing can only ever exist in the mind of the listener.
I personally think Buckethead has some skills, I would put a great many others a lot higher for a number of reasons, but that's based off what I enjoy listening too. For me Buckethead doesn't bring enough new to the table. Others don't see it that way, others again don't care about hearing something unheard.
Music draws on emotion, opinion, life experience. Even if you break it down to sheer technical ability, do you try to quantify every note played and mark it against some points based system?
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If you want a more simplistic answer to "Nobody can beat this...ever"
Then....
Yup.....
They....
Probably....
Can 
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I used to be a fan of buckethead when I was a teenager. But really, why does he always play the same solo? He's done some interesting things but imo he's very limited, both technically and musically. There's tons of guitar players that are far better. e.g. John Mclaughlin, Shawn Lane, Stochelo rosenberg, Bireli lagrene etc etc. And that's ignoring classical guitar players and players with limited technique but advanced musical skills (like Pat Metheny).
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: azay]
#14623156 - 06/16/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's decent, wouldn't say it's the best but it's very good.
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: azay]
#14624043 - 06/16/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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azay said: I used to be a fan of buckethead when I was a teenager. But really, why does he always play the same solo? He's done some interesting things but imo he's very limited, both technically and musically. There's tons of guitar players that are far better. e.g. John Mclaughlin, Shawn Lane, Stochelo rosenberg, Bireli lagrene etc etc. And that's ignoring classical guitar players and players with limited technique but advanced musical skills (like Pat Metheny).
I used to be a fan of John Mclaughlin, Shawn Lane, Stochelo Rosenberg, Bireli Lagrene, and oh yeah Pat Meth when I was a teenager. 
Other people (with basic intelligence) can pick up on your rhetoric, buddy. If you're going to come into here with that attitude, no one's gonna listen. Plus, there is no way someone is "far better" at guitar than Buckethead, at least when it comes down to sheer skill (emotion, style is more subjective even).
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Stopwhispering said: At the end of the day there is no "best guitarist" if this is what we are really talking about. There is no way to measure this, there can be no way to work a difinitive answer out.
You can find the quickest guitarist, you could possibly find the most adept at time changes or maybe the most diverse in terms of playing styles but it's literally impossible to find "the best" guitarist. Such a thing can only ever exist in the mind of the listener.
I personally think Buckethead has some skills, I would put a great many others a lot higher for a number of reasons, but that's based off what I enjoy listening too. For me Buckethead doesn't bring enough new to the table. Others don't see it that way, others again don't care about hearing something unheard.
Music draws on emotion, opinion, life experience. Even if you break it down to sheer technical ability, do you try to quantify every note played and mark it against some points based system? 
Hmm, I definitely agree. It's all subjective, especially music. Although I find Bucket rather experimental/innovative, lots of his albums sound nothing alike other ones. (Good God the ignorance of the "plays the same solo" comment is still annoying me.)
Nice videos, but I honestly found them, except maybe the Randy Rhoades (which I'm guessing isn't live), not nearly as impressive. Although the Hendrix would've been much nicer with some more sound quality. And I'm already a fan of Steve Vai, but I get bored of listening to him much easier...he's much more limited than Bucket, IMO, even if his skill is on par. FtLoG is an awesome composition, my favorite rendition is the live, extra long one on his newest album.
I posted the thread in the way I did in an attempt to get people to try to one-up the OP, so
I think a lot of people are fooled by the mask. They think Bucket's a gimmick, not a serious artist, with no emotion. I actually really rather appreciate the mask, and if I had to guess I'd say Bucket did it to lessen the bias that can come from knowing what an artist looks like. Plus, he apparently highly values his privacy. But who knows? Maybe he suffers from a terrible case of "guitar face." 
10x the proof that Bucket is "for real." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckethead_discography
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: KingEmblem]
#14625854 - 06/16/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I posted the thread in the way I did in an attempt to get people to try to one-up the OP, so 
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I figured this might have been the case, the title is kind of inflammatory though hence the responses you got from people maybe. If it was called "Post some mad ass guitarists/performances" It probably would have got a fair bit more positive response. 
There wasn't supposed to be 2 Randy Rhodes clips in my post either not sure how that happened haha.
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Haha, most of the responses are fine...there just seems to be a bias against Bucket. Pretty sure it's just the mask/getup, too. This seems to be the biggest Bucket thread on the Shroomery, so all good to spread the word. Perhaps it helps to mention that the video in the OP is mostly improvised, and I posted something with more of a dynamic (the band, especially the DJ) for people not so into guitar virtuosos.
To any fans...Bucket just released 2 albums about a month ago. I just got them. Whenever I stop checking, they pop out of nowhere. 
Here's a thread filled with videos of some of Bucket's best live stuff, for the people unimpressed with the OP: http://bucketheadland.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=26375&page=1
Also, a quote from someone in that thread:
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I heard that Buckethead wears the mask because once he played a solo so good he melted his own face.
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: KingEmblem]
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Re: Nobody can beat this... [Re: KingEmblem]
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I updated the first post with a better one, I think. If no one appreciates that one I'll be damned. Either way, I wanted to bump and edit the thread into more of a general BH discussion. I KNOW there are some fans on here.
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