Hahah. Okay. Those are put away. CLEARLY i should have considered this.
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Aw, I'm just playing around with you, Harry. Believe me, I don't put any drugs above any other drugs, we all like getting high around these parts but some of these chemicals are more poisonous than others.
Well, now that I think about it, glue huffing is uncool in my book and dramamine is a step above, so I guess I do put some drugs above others. Be careful with that stuff. Read up on brain damage, toxicity, tropane poisoning, your new stuttering speech impediment and all the other potential pitfalls of this misadventure
Haha, yea. I understand now. I just took it too offensively at the time. You were just trying to make it clear to me that it's not a good idea.
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Achuma said: I thought I'd leave this be a few times and keep getting drawn back here. It's a touchy subject, I see. But I empathise and it brings to mind this:
I have in the mean time read about the not-terribly-safe-ness of the diphenhydramine with the head, and it was indeed 2 years after my experience with it that prescribing diphenhydramine was banned due to studies linking it to brain damage. I am okay though, and I am lucky to have assumed correctly beforehand that I was mentally prepared to handle the experience and neurologically equipped to recover from it. I have never experienced a plant-based anticholinergic despite many many opportunities, as I was already turned off by their deadliness and I was further turned off by their pharmacological analogousness to diphenhydramine.
I had 2 experiences, 1 with dimenhydrinate (which is about 1/2 the potency, based on the exact same molecule and has much more intense physical effects:mental effects ratio on the body-heavy side). Paradoxically, it was with the dimenhydrinate, supposedly coupled with a stimulant molecule but bonded to it in a way in which the pharmacological effects are only felt from the diphenhydramine side of the molecule, that I fell asleep after having only briefly experienced some vague hallucinatory weirdness. Then I got some diphenhydramine and was able to keep myself awake.
What I learned from the experience, besides having the only "true hallucinations" I've ever experienced in my life (DMT comes close but that's definitely not a hallucination, it's a consciousness shift of superlative quality) was something about the nature of dreams. It is that 1)acetylcholine is clearly the neurotransmitter responsible for inhibiting the imagination's dominance over the field of consciousness 2)dreaming while you are awake is the nature of the thing 3)philosophical expansion upon the lessons thus presented - that if you are able to generate this much of reality from a source that is clearly from within, recognizable as dreaming (the kind when you are sleeping, not when you are ayahuascaing) then how much of my normal state am I actually in control of, that I perceive coming from the outside but I may indeed have been tricking myself my whole life into believing it comes from the outside when indeed it comes from the inside
something that sucks about the experience, although it shows you some of the things about dreaming that you usually don't remember very well, and when you write things down they're still there in the morning, ...uhm....the sucky thing...it is highly confusing. very confusing, because everything you experience you perceive with great sincerity, you believe it. there's real stuff mixed in there too, so it's extra confusing. because you realize that some of it is real, like...this reading you're doing, real. But some of it is just an illusion.
I learned good things about myself for me to know about. And like those who posted before me here on this thread, I DO NOT RECOMMEND TAKING THIS DRUG! Lucid dreaming is a much better way to go about exploring that part of your mind, and we United Statesians are lucky to have Mugwort (Artemisia Vulgaris) growing nearly everywhere near streams, this time of year right now, and until winter. Look it up, it is a great dream potentiator and bringer of lucidity to the dreamstate. You don't even have to ingest it, just being exposed to the oil through physical contact and smelling it while you sleep will do, but if you're a smoker you might want to dry it out a litle and stick it in a pipe, or if you're a drinker you might want to make a tea out of it and add honey to taste. That one nasty herb I can't remember right now, famous as a dream herb...Calea Zacetechichi, that stuff does pretty much the same thing only slightly stronger. but you probably don't have it growing in your back yard.
Assuming you plan on doing it anyway, that is solid advice from my experience. Again though, neither of our experiences come from actual dramamine, just chemicals which are rather similar. It's not "fun" in the way you are thinking it will be, I'd imagine. More comparable to Datura than any other drug, if you are familiar with it at all...personally after my experience with benadryl/diphenhydramine I have no interest whatsoever. Along with the dry-mouth, the hallucinations aren't fun because they are just delusional; you don't even realize they are hallucinations until you snap out of it and "pop your head above water" for a moment. I remember sitting there with a little file bar at the top of my TV like on a computer, and I was sitting there trying to exit out of King of the Hill because I was sick of it. My mouse and mouse pad were on my bed next to me and I was getting mad I was clicking the X and nothing was happening. Then all of a sudden I was just watching King of the Hill again, and it took me a moment to even realize what had happened. I spent the rest of the night randomly halfway dozing off and trying to click an imaginary mouse at nothing. But hey, to each his own.

i won't be doing it. That up there ^^ is more than enough info to not let me do it. I appreciate all that. Saved me from another negative experience. I put the stuff away, and I'm only gonna be taking it out if I'm going on a boat.
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