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OrgoneConclusion
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I took shrooms just to get fucked up!
#14600832 - 06/12/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interestingly, the trip was not qualitatively different than when I took shrooms to gain spiritual insight.
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Yup, it's a meaningless distinction in the first place.
I think what people really mean by this is that inexperienced shroomers shouldn't take them in an environment that could be unsafe without someone experienced to sit them.
Newbies have no idea what they're in for especially if the dose is high, so it's a fitting precaution.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Grapefruit]
#14600871 - 06/12/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Noobs should be strait-jacketed for their own protection.
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Well you can to do what you like of course but it's good to have a soberish mate around to steer you back to the campsite at a festival if you need it or what not. Homedosing I think is fine without a tripsitter.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Interestingly, the trip was not qualitatively different than when I took shrooms to gain spiritual insight.
Better be careful not respecting the teachers man, or your gonna fuck up the allignment of your chakras!
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744]
#14601094 - 06/12/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Interestingly, the trip was not qualitatively different than when I took shrooms to gain spiritual insight.
I took them in moderation (...can one?)to gain spiritual insight, and I got fucked up....Felt like I got in a fight with a bottle of Jack.
So can we deduce anecdotally that spiritual insight is getting fucked up?
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14601156 - 06/12/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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No. What we can deduce is that intent does not change the chemical processes at the molecular level.
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I see what you mean...(my last statement was just anecdotal)
Im no scientist ( I know that is shocking for all of you ) but does taking shrooms have the same chemical process at the molecular level? (each time you take them)
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DieCommie

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OrgoneConclusion said: No. What we can deduce is that intent does not change the chemical processes at the molecular level.
I thought intent was a chemical process at the molecular level?
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: DieCommie] 1
#14601306 - 06/12/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ouch.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Icelander] 1
#14601380 - 06/12/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid] 1
#14601422 - 06/12/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What now?
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: deranger] 1
#14601440 - 06/12/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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We wait.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: DieCommie]
#14601550 - 06/12/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: No. What we can deduce is that intent does not change the chemical processes at the molecular level.
I thought intent was a chemical process at the molecular level? 
No matter your intent, the neural receptors are the same. The ion exchange is the same. The laws of physics/chemistry do not alter based upon a whim.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Icelander]
#14601553 - 06/12/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ouch?
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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DieCommie said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: No. What we can deduce is that intent does not change the chemical processes at the molecular level.
I thought intent was a chemical process at the molecular level? 
No matter your intent, the neural receptors are the same. The ion exchange is the same. The laws of physics/chemistry do not alter based upon a whim.
So you are claiming mindset has no effect on a trip?
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744]
#14601641 - 06/12/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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no mind, no mindset
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744] 2
#14601644 - 06/12/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Set and setting
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Set and setting describes the context for psychoactive and particularly psychedelic drug experiences: one's mindset and the setting in which the user has the experience. This is especially relevant for psychedelic or hallucinogenic experiences. The term was coined by Timothy Leary, and became widely accepted by researchers in psychedelic psychotherapy. 'Set' is the mental state a person brings to the experience, like thoughts, mood and expectations. 'Setting' is the physical and social environment. Social support networks have shown to be particularly important in the outcome of the psychedelic experience . They are able to control or guide the course of the experience, both consciously and subconsciously. Stress, fear, or a disagreeable environment, may result in an unpleasant experience (bad trip). Conversely, a relaxed, curious person in a warm, comfortable and safe place is more likely to have a pleasant experience. Of course, the drug dose does not produce the transcendent experience. It merely acts as a chemical key — it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures. The nature of the experience depends almost entirely on set and setting. Set denotes the preparation of the individual, including his personality structure and his mood at the time. Setting is physical — the weather, the room's atmosphere; social — feelings of persons present towards one another; and cultural — prevailing views as to what is real. It is for this reason that manuals or guide-books are necessary. Their purpose is to enable a person to understand the new realities of the expanded consciousness, to serve as road maps for new interior territories which modern science has made accessible —Timothy Leary, The Psychedelic Experience: A Manual Based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead In 1966, Timothy Leary conducted a series of experiments with Dimethyltryptamine with controlled set and setting. The aim was to see whether DMT, which had then been mostly thought of as a terror-inducing drug, could produce pleasant experiences under a supportive set and setting. It was found that it could.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744]
#14601645 - 06/12/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Please point out where I wrote that. Interpretation/meaning is at the macro level. Chemical interactions at the micro level do NOT change. This is really not too hard to grasp.
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