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I took shrooms just to get fucked up!
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Interestingly, the trip was not qualitatively different than when I took shrooms to gain spiritual insight.
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Yup, it's a meaningless distinction in the first place.
I think what people really mean by this is that inexperienced shroomers shouldn't take them in an environment that could be unsafe without someone experienced to sit them.
Newbies have no idea what they're in for especially if the dose is high, so it's a fitting precaution.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Grapefruit]
#14600871 - 06/12/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Noobs should be strait-jacketed for their own protection.
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Well you can to do what you like of course but it's good to have a soberish mate around to steer you back to the campsite at a festival if you need it or what not. Homedosing I think is fine without a tripsitter.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Interestingly, the trip was not qualitatively different than when I took shrooms to gain spiritual insight.
Better be careful not respecting the teachers man, or your gonna fuck up the allignment of your chakras!
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744]
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OrgoneConclusion said: Interestingly, the trip was not qualitatively different than when I took shrooms to gain spiritual insight.
I took them in moderation (...can one?)to gain spiritual insight, and I got fucked up....Felt like I got in a fight with a bottle of Jack.
So can we deduce anecdotally that spiritual insight is getting fucked up?
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14601156 - 06/12/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. What we can deduce is that intent does not change the chemical processes at the molecular level.
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I see what you mean...(my last statement was just anecdotal)
Im no scientist ( I know that is shocking for all of you ) but does taking shrooms have the same chemical process at the molecular level? (each time you take them)
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OrgoneConclusion said: No. What we can deduce is that intent does not change the chemical processes at the molecular level.
I thought intent was a chemical process at the molecular level?
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: DieCommie] 1
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ouch.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Icelander] 1
#14601380 - 06/12/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid] 1
#14601422 - 06/12/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: deranger] 1
#14601440 - 06/12/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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We wait.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: DieCommie]
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OrgoneConclusion said: No. What we can deduce is that intent does not change the chemical processes at the molecular level.
I thought intent was a chemical process at the molecular level? 
No matter your intent, the neural receptors are the same. The ion exchange is the same. The laws of physics/chemistry do not alter based upon a whim.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Icelander]
#14601553 - 06/12/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ouch?
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OrgoneConclusion said: No. What we can deduce is that intent does not change the chemical processes at the molecular level.
I thought intent was a chemical process at the molecular level? 
No matter your intent, the neural receptors are the same. The ion exchange is the same. The laws of physics/chemistry do not alter based upon a whim.
So you are claiming mindset has no effect on a trip?
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744]
#14601641 - 06/12/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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no mind, no mindset
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744] 2
#14601644 - 06/12/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Set and setting
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Set and setting describes the context for psychoactive and particularly psychedelic drug experiences: one's mindset and the setting in which the user has the experience. This is especially relevant for psychedelic or hallucinogenic experiences. The term was coined by Timothy Leary, and became widely accepted by researchers in psychedelic psychotherapy. 'Set' is the mental state a person brings to the experience, like thoughts, mood and expectations. 'Setting' is the physical and social environment. Social support networks have shown to be particularly important in the outcome of the psychedelic experience . They are able to control or guide the course of the experience, both consciously and subconsciously. Stress, fear, or a disagreeable environment, may result in an unpleasant experience (bad trip). Conversely, a relaxed, curious person in a warm, comfortable and safe place is more likely to have a pleasant experience. Of course, the drug dose does not produce the transcendent experience. It merely acts as a chemical key — it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures. The nature of the experience depends almost entirely on set and setting. Set denotes the preparation of the individual, including his personality structure and his mood at the time. Setting is physical — the weather, the room's atmosphere; social — feelings of persons present towards one another; and cultural — prevailing views as to what is real. It is for this reason that manuals or guide-books are necessary. Their purpose is to enable a person to understand the new realities of the expanded consciousness, to serve as road maps for new interior territories which modern science has made accessible —Timothy Leary, The Psychedelic Experience: A Manual Based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead In 1966, Timothy Leary conducted a series of experiments with Dimethyltryptamine with controlled set and setting. The aim was to see whether DMT, which had then been mostly thought of as a terror-inducing drug, could produce pleasant experiences under a supportive set and setting. It was found that it could.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744]
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Please point out where I wrote that. Interpretation/meaning is at the macro level. Chemical interactions at the micro level do NOT change. This is really not too hard to grasp.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Please point out where I wrote that. Interpretation/meaning is at the macro level. Chemical interactions at the micro level do NOT change. This is really not too hard to grasp.
So you don't think there is interpretation/meaning with the experience of a trip?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Please point out where I wrote that.
It seems to be implied by your OP:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Interestingly, the trip was not qualitatively different than when I took shrooms to gain spiritual insight.
You're saying here that one who has the mindset of getting fucked up will not have a qualitatively different trip than one who has the mindset of gaining spiritual insight..this is in direct contradiction to what is known today about how a person's mindset effects the quality of their psychedelic trips.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid]
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If all other conditions are the same except for telling yourself the message "I am fo' sho gonna get fucked up!" or "I will learn The Secrets of the Ages", I contend the difference will be negligible.
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Is this contention based on any evidence? A state of mind is more than a mere one-sentence-long message..if one is dedicated to maintaining a certain state of mind throughout the duration of a psychedelic trip, it will definitely have a significant effect.
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OrgoneConclusion said: If all other conditions are the same except for telling yourself the message "I am fo' sho gonna get fucked up!" or "I will learn The Secrets of the Ages", I contend the difference will be negligible.
Congratulations, you realized that one spoken sentence is likely to have little effect on a trip.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid]
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How many shroomers here that tell everyone they are more spiritual actually demonstrate such? Case closed!
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: 4896744]
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OrgoneConclusion said: If all other conditions are the same except for telling yourself the message "I am fo' sho gonna get fucked up!" or "I will learn The Secrets of the Ages", I contend the difference will be negligible.
Congratulations, you realized that one spoken sentence is likely to have little effect on a trip. 
FINALLY, someone groks the obvious. Check your new rating...
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OrgoneConclusion said: How many shroomers here that tell everyone they are more spiritual actually demonstrate such? Case closed! 
That doesn't mean that they don't have "spiritual" experiences on mushrooms when they intentionally cultivate a "spiritual" state of mind beforehand..whether or not they remain "spiritual" afterwards is irrelevant.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid]
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Is it irrelevant?
If I diet and work out to lose weight to become fitter and remain a fat slob, doesn't that negate the whole point of my regimen?
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That one doesn't remain spiritual after having a spiritual psychedelic experience resulting from an intent to have one doesn't negate the fact that the spiritual psychedelic experience occurred as a result of a spiritually-inclined intent..what happens afterwards is wholly irrelevant, yes, and can't negate what happened beforehand.
I don't think your analogy fits too well (pun slightly intended ).
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid]
#14601869 - 06/12/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is a spiritual experience that doesn't make one more spiritual? Sure sounds like a delusion.
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Many bi-curious people have gay experiences that don't make them more gay, but rather make them realize that the gay thing is not for them. 
That their experience didn't make them more gay doesn't negate the fact that it was a pretty gay-ass experience.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid]
#14601914 - 06/12/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude, you need to get out of the GBay Area.
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And move to where? Las Gaygas?
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid]
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OrgoneConclusion said: What topic does not devolve in sex?
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OrgoneConclusion said: If all other conditions are the same except for telling yourself the message "I am fo' sho gonna get fucked up!" or "I will learn The Secrets of the Ages", I contend the difference will be negligible.
Congratulations, you realized that one spoken sentence is likely to have little effect on a trip. 
FINALLY, someone groks the obvious. Check your new rating...
I don't see it.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid]
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As least we have a clear indicator when a thread is officially dead.
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About next you will do a wine tasting of expensive vintage wines just to get drunk.
After that you will stop eating hard to prepare food and hook yourself up to a glucose IV. After all food is food and time is time. You can just take the bag with...
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I bet you were more successful in achieving your aims, though.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: zappaisgod]
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At significant doses, you don't guide the trip; the trip guides you.
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: I took shrooms just to get fucked up! [Re: Poid]
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"get fucked up" for me = increase the amount of energy i can handle in my body and mind, which is sort of a spiritual concept. also on shrooms i have philosophical conversations. and play music. there's no distinction between taking it for recreational or spiritual purposes as as already been said. However, there are different contexts for taking a drug that vastly influence your experience. Some people are much less honest with themselves about the fundamentally ego building aspects of taking a drug, in addition to the ego dissolution that takes place during the trip.
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