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Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely
    #14599723 - 06/12/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:

You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.

Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.

I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.

Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.

I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.

Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599760 - 06/12/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Libertin said:
Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs.




:awesomenod:

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Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms





I'd say that mushrooms (at low doses) are a GREAT recreational drug. In fact, I've never NOT had fun tripping on mushrooms.

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I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.





Can you not look for a bit of fun and also be ready for a deeper exploration of yourself or also be ready to "take on a real challenge"? I have had nothing but good experiences with people that I have introduced to mushrooms and acid. And we didn't sit around lighting incense, chanting, meditating, and feeling our chakras; we went out into the world at some ungodly hour of the morning and explored! I wouldn't take those experiences back for anything.

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I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job.





Who are you to tell me how I want to ingest this fungus? If there were a limited supply, you might have my support. But it's a god damned fungus that grows all over the planet whether I eat it or not; my usage (so long as it doesn't make it onto the evening news or something) doesn't affect you AT ALL.

Why should everyone be forced to trip YOUR way? There's plenty of fungus. And I have a fun time using it in small doses in public settings. And will continue to do so despite your post.

You don't see me making threads like "Spiritual Trippers - Need To Pull The Sticks Out Of Their Asses."


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599773 - 06/12/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I can see where you're coming from. But I'd say mushrooms are for spiritual and recreational reasons. I've had my really deep perception changing trips, and trips where I'm laughing for three hours straight. It's all about personal preference. If someone wants to trip for fun a few times, so be it.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599790 - 06/12/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe you have taken that many mushrooms that the only way for you to not think of yourself as a druggo, is to put other people into a whole new category, as so that you no longer fit there and are now some "Higher Intelligence" which really you are a form of intelligence that gets alot higher than your normal people.

Too me man. Mushrooms are what YOU make of them, if you think you're taking some super hectic medicine well keep going, but the only thing your medicine will cure is Sanity.

Who are you to tell people they are missing a point. There is no point, all i can say is that you are going crazy trying to reason with yourself why you take drugs, rather than stop and live a normal life, you need excuses to live a super colourful and super charged life.


Think of it this way man, lots of people read the bible, but not everyone is that crazy guy at the grocery store saying the "The End Is Nigh".

To me everyone takes mushrooms for fun, you are that guy at the grocery store telling everyone you had mushrooms and med god and know the secrets of the universe.


Sorry if you take offence to my post, but I myself find it offensive to have people tell my I am doing something wrong because they have a different insight on how things should be done.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: KahTahToe] * 1
    #14599822 - 06/12/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Like all things in life u should decide for yourself if u want to use for recreational reasons. I don't mind people sharing there ideas or opinions but leave it at that. And let us enjoy our shrooms the way we want to, without imposing your personal rules on us. Recreational use is not dangerous as long as u prepare yourself for the experience.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Ghostoned]
    #14599829 - 06/12/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting




By this logic, beer is not a recreational drug.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599848 - 06/12/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Doc_T]
    #14599865 - 06/12/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How can a natural substance have particular rules on why and how you take them?
The effect they have is to do with how a person looks at the substance and what they want to achieve. Psychonauts could just be deluding themselves with their research through the use of psychadellic substances, making up theories from temporary contributions to the brain by chemicals, never to report definitive answers to how the mind works..
You enjoy your way of tripping, but for me to make sense of a state of mind that drugs render me just makes me feel I am wasting time, just constantly chasing the dragon hoping the next time I do, more things seem to make sense.
I respect your usage of drugs, but my use of shrooms, and other drugs, are for medical, recreational, stimulative and insightful use.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599939 - 06/12/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Libertin said:Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs.



I agree.


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Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT.



I think you need to start looking at the big picture and look at it for what it really is. Fungi. Like someone a few posts above me said it grows all over the world for everyone to experience.
You should really get off your high horse and stop thinking that there is only one way of experiencing mushrooms. Yes things can go wrong(with everyone), people learn and eventually get over it.

The experience is what YOU take from it.

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Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.



Mother nature doesn't have a instruction manual. :goat:

It's not an unpopular view it just amazes me how some people have that "I'm holier than thou" because you use your drugs a specific way and that any other way is dead wrong.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599942 - 06/12/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Libertin said:
it's also very easy to have  unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user.

You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.




I'm confused. Do they or do they not give you insights?

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: sporophight]
    #14599993 - 06/12/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Completely disagree.

Every time I use mushrooms I go into it looking for a RECREATIONAL experience that's different from what I usually have from beer, pot etc. However, that doesn't mean I'm completely disregarding any spiritual aspect of the trip. Like you said, it will give you insights that you're "not ready for". I'm ready for them, just not forcing them into play.

If you take enough shrooms you'll have insights no matter what, so what's the difference?

I, respectfully, think your opinion will be shared by less than 5% of shroomery. I guess that 5% are the only real "trippers" here. Shit guys we're all not worthy!

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: VTtripper]
    #14600025 - 06/12/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OP is a tool

if ur mad at people doing mushrooms for different reasons than you, then u must be a child

i do psychs to party and trip face, deal with it


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14600080 - 06/12/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The effects of these drugs certainly feel profound, awe-inspiring, spiritual and critically important to existence.  They play around with the parts of our brain that experience existential emotions and to deny that these drugs are somehow more special than huffing glue or jerking off to internet porn seems counter-intuitive, sacrilegious, and ignorant.  After over 100 ayahuasca trips in two years, I've arrived at the conclusion that they are not tools or medicine for me.  I suspect that many who view them as tools or medicine are bullshitting themselves.

The fucked part about these drugs is that the line between positive, healthy effects and consequences and negative repercussions is difficult to discern after a while.  You're in a fucking cloud that feels perfect and you think you're growing, living, and loving.  After reading extensively about addiction, I saw that my psychedelic drug usage patterns and rationalizations were strikingly similar to those who regularly drink or take harder drugs.  For people who frequent Shroomery and love this class of drugs, many of them probably do have an unhealthy relationship with psychedelics but may not realize it.  That was a powerful moment for me, when I figured out these crazy fucking lies and delusions were hiding an addiction.

I think the only way I can take these drugs is to call bullshit on them.  To give them any power other than recreational power is to skirt the edges of delusional thought, schiziod behaviour, and self-reinforcing spiritual masturbation.

Libertin, I respect your use of these drugs and if you are able to take them in a healthy way and experience growth and happiness, then I'm a jealous fuck.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Bassfreak]
    #14600104 - 06/12/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Bassfreak said:
OP is a tool

if ur mad at people doing mushrooms for different reasons than you, then u must be a child

i do psychs to party and trip face, deal with it




Libertin's post is awesome and it should be welcomed without insult.  His opinion, no matter how forceful or condescending (which I don't find it to be), is another path with which to take these wacky fucking drugs.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Bassfreak]
    #14600112 - 06/12/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Drugs are bad, mmk?


Anyways, using mushrooms to gain insight of your life is just a retarded excuse to use them recreationally. Don't be a dumbass and kid yourself, you don't need these mushrooms for anything other than tripping balls and trying to make something of the experience.

Seems like it would really suck to eat muchrooms with the OP

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14600114 - 06/12/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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After over 100 ayahuasca trips in two years,




Sorry to take this out of context, but WOW, that is incredible. Did you really trip ayahuasca that much?? :shocked:

Personally, I don't think it would be a good idea to take it so frequently....


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: ComaDivine]
    #14600121 - 06/12/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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After over 100 ayahuasca trips in two years,




Sorry to take this out of context, but WOW, that is incredible. Did you really trip ayahuasca that much?? :shocked:

Personally, I don't think it would be a good idea to take it so frequently....




Every Saturday for two years.  It felt perfectly fine and healthy most of the time.  Here is a quote from myself from a previous post that explains my mindset:

You're damn right that it feels you are getting closer to the core of existence.  All of the answers to the mysteries lie there, all knowledge is contained there and you can get it too.  All of it!  Unfortunately its like a dream and it slips away but you can always get it back next time.  It really doesn't feel like abuse because you believe you are growing intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally.  Even when I'd get my ass kicked, in a few days the memory would lose its power over me and I'd enthusiastically go back in and be graciously rewarded for my persistence and tenacity in navigating hyperspace.

The rewards are everything you can imagine and everything you could never imagine.  It's a giant cosmic party all about you.  You're the star of this magical, decadent, self-absorbed freak show.  It's so perfectly tuned to you and your dreams and your psyche and your subconscious that nothing feels so right.

My verdict:  It's an onion that you can keep peeling forever and you'll never get nearer to the core or the truth because there is none.  You're on a treadmill, running in place and you get off and there you are, right where you began, maybe a bit dumber.  It's masturbation and the orgasms keep getting better but you'll never know more because of it.  Eventually you might realize that the orgasms aren't even worth it anymore and they might be damaging your ability to think clearly and operate successfully in consensus reality.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: orange771]
    #14600137 - 06/12/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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orange771 said:
Drugs are bad, mmk?


Anyways, using mushrooms to gain insight of your life is just a retarded excuse to use them recreationally. Don't be a dumbass and kid yourself, you don't need these mushrooms for anything other than tripping balls and trying to make something of the experience.

Seems like it would really suck to eat muchrooms with the OP




Not exactly, if you try to see it from different POV it still makes sense. IE using a shroom trip or any other drug just like meditation. It does help getting in tune with yourself and your mind. But I don't believe people should disapprove of any other method other than what they are comfortable with. It's naive and IMO slows down progression in understanding these drugs.

Different strokes for different folks. I personally enjoy spiritual and shaman like experiences but that doesn't mean I won't munch a few grams and hang out with my friends and watch TV and just enjoy life. There's a time and place for everything.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: ComaDivine]
    #14600193 - 06/12/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No matter how many how much of a drug I find myself taking, I don't take the experience as anything but recreational, or insightful where I just want to space out. Anything that feels important to arise from the effects can be taken positively or negatively, but to make a meaning and intepretation of the experiences I feel is just due to self delusion.
I used to take acid oftenly with friends, and for all of them they took it as a recreational drug and partied, knowing that when effects wear off, they will be back to reality and make no remembrance of the feelings they had whilst tripping, if they felt anything, they would put it down as confusion and move on. I grew up as christian, and believed that every time I tripped I was making a closer connection to God. Although I kept on questioning my faith, all questions dissapeared when I was under the influence.
My life became very hard at one point, problems with family, friends and relationship and I had this thought maybe, there was no God, no faith. I spent 88 pounds for 11 tabs of LSD, and had one of the most incredible experiences I have ever had, I felt at the end of it, I had just awoken into life in the position of me, and everything to do with my past was unrepeatable and hard to remember. I constantly tried to make sense of the experience, feeling to myself disassociated with the world. My work ethic and sociability deteriorated as I constantly sat in my room, trying to make sense of the experience.
I stopped taking hallucinogenics, and give great thanks to speed and marijuana to both help me in my efforts to become more focused with work and for relaxation. I say that these drugs benefit me medically because I have a very low attention span and as well as being a sufferer of S.A.D, but of course there are downsides to both, they can controlled through dosing carefully.
Since my experience, I have made sense to myself that the idea of religion does not make sense to me, and the effects of hallucinogenics do not give insight, they just reinforce thoughts that are already associated with a person (well, in my experience and belief.)

EDIT- Read your post completely wrong Joe :S. I don't think I can manage tripping strong every weekend, if you can take that amount and still remain sane, kudos to you :thumbup:.
I totally agree with the things you say. Although you will never come to an answer, at least whilst under the influence, you can just for a small while pretend there is one to all things in this world we live in.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
    #14600222 - 06/12/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When Im tripping with my good friends, mushrooms have made me laugh harder and have a better time than I ever would sober.  Im all for those solo introspective trips, but I dont even understand how you could not see tripping as recreational at all.


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