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Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely
    #14599723 - 06/12/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:

You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.

Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.

I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.

Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.

I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.

Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599760 - 06/12/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Libertin said:
Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs.




:awesomenod:

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Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms





I'd say that mushrooms (at low doses) are a GREAT recreational drug. In fact, I've never NOT had fun tripping on mushrooms.

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I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.





Can you not look for a bit of fun and also be ready for a deeper exploration of yourself or also be ready to "take on a real challenge"? I have had nothing but good experiences with people that I have introduced to mushrooms and acid. And we didn't sit around lighting incense, chanting, meditating, and feeling our chakras; we went out into the world at some ungodly hour of the morning and explored! I wouldn't take those experiences back for anything.

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I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job.





Who are you to tell me how I want to ingest this fungus? If there were a limited supply, you might have my support. But it's a god damned fungus that grows all over the planet whether I eat it or not; my usage (so long as it doesn't make it onto the evening news or something) doesn't affect you AT ALL.

Why should everyone be forced to trip YOUR way? There's plenty of fungus. And I have a fun time using it in small doses in public settings. And will continue to do so despite your post.

You don't see me making threads like "Spiritual Trippers - Need To Pull The Sticks Out Of Their Asses."


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599773 - 06/12/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I can see where you're coming from. But I'd say mushrooms are for spiritual and recreational reasons. I've had my really deep perception changing trips, and trips where I'm laughing for three hours straight. It's all about personal preference. If someone wants to trip for fun a few times, so be it.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599790 - 06/12/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe you have taken that many mushrooms that the only way for you to not think of yourself as a druggo, is to put other people into a whole new category, as so that you no longer fit there and are now some "Higher Intelligence" which really you are a form of intelligence that gets alot higher than your normal people.

Too me man. Mushrooms are what YOU make of them, if you think you're taking some super hectic medicine well keep going, but the only thing your medicine will cure is Sanity.

Who are you to tell people they are missing a point. There is no point, all i can say is that you are going crazy trying to reason with yourself why you take drugs, rather than stop and live a normal life, you need excuses to live a super colourful and super charged life.


Think of it this way man, lots of people read the bible, but not everyone is that crazy guy at the grocery store saying the "The End Is Nigh".

To me everyone takes mushrooms for fun, you are that guy at the grocery store telling everyone you had mushrooms and med god and know the secrets of the universe.


Sorry if you take offence to my post, but I myself find it offensive to have people tell my I am doing something wrong because they have a different insight on how things should be done.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: KahTahToe] * 1
    #14599822 - 06/12/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Like all things in life u should decide for yourself if u want to use for recreational reasons. I don't mind people sharing there ideas or opinions but leave it at that. And let us enjoy our shrooms the way we want to, without imposing your personal rules on us. Recreational use is not dangerous as long as u prepare yourself for the experience.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Ghostoned]
    #14599829 - 06/12/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting




By this logic, beer is not a recreational drug.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599848 - 06/12/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Doc_T]
    #14599865 - 06/12/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

How can a natural substance have particular rules on why and how you take them?
The effect they have is to do with how a person looks at the substance and what they want to achieve. Psychonauts could just be deluding themselves with their research through the use of psychadellic substances, making up theories from temporary contributions to the brain by chemicals, never to report definitive answers to how the mind works..
You enjoy your way of tripping, but for me to make sense of a state of mind that drugs render me just makes me feel I am wasting time, just constantly chasing the dragon hoping the next time I do, more things seem to make sense.
I respect your usage of drugs, but my use of shrooms, and other drugs, are for medical, recreational, stimulative and insightful use.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599939 - 06/12/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Libertin said:Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs.



I agree.


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Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT.



I think you need to start looking at the big picture and look at it for what it really is. Fungi. Like someone a few posts above me said it grows all over the world for everyone to experience.
You should really get off your high horse and stop thinking that there is only one way of experiencing mushrooms. Yes things can go wrong(with everyone), people learn and eventually get over it.

The experience is what YOU take from it.

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Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.



Mother nature doesn't have a instruction manual. :goat:

It's not an unpopular view it just amazes me how some people have that "I'm holier than thou" because you use your drugs a specific way and that any other way is dead wrong.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14599942 - 06/12/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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it's also very easy to have  unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user.

You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.




I'm confused. Do they or do they not give you insights?


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: sporophight]
    #14599993 - 06/12/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Completely disagree.

Every time I use mushrooms I go into it looking for a RECREATIONAL experience that's different from what I usually have from beer, pot etc. However, that doesn't mean I'm completely disregarding any spiritual aspect of the trip. Like you said, it will give you insights that you're "not ready for". I'm ready for them, just not forcing them into play.

If you take enough shrooms you'll have insights no matter what, so what's the difference?

I, respectfully, think your opinion will be shared by less than 5% of shroomery. I guess that 5% are the only real "trippers" here. Shit guys we're all not worthy!


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: VTtripper]
    #14600025 - 06/12/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

OP is a tool

if ur mad at people doing mushrooms for different reasons than you, then u must be a child

i do psychs to party and trip face, deal with it


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14600080 - 06/12/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The effects of these drugs certainly feel profound, awe-inspiring, spiritual and critically important to existence.  They play around with the parts of our brain that experience existential emotions and to deny that these drugs are somehow more special than huffing glue or jerking off to internet porn seems counter-intuitive, sacrilegious, and ignorant.  After over 100 ayahuasca trips in two years, I've arrived at the conclusion that they are not tools or medicine for me.  I suspect that many who view them as tools or medicine are bullshitting themselves.

The fucked part about these drugs is that the line between positive, healthy effects and consequences and negative repercussions is difficult to discern after a while.  You're in a fucking cloud that feels perfect and you think you're growing, living, and loving.  After reading extensively about addiction, I saw that my psychedelic drug usage patterns and rationalizations were strikingly similar to those who regularly drink or take harder drugs.  For people who frequent Shroomery and love this class of drugs, many of them probably do have an unhealthy relationship with psychedelics but may not realize it.  That was a powerful moment for me, when I figured out these crazy fucking lies and delusions were hiding an addiction.

I think the only way I can take these drugs is to call bullshit on them.  To give them any power other than recreational power is to skirt the edges of delusional thought, schiziod behaviour, and self-reinforcing spiritual masturbation.

Libertin, I respect your use of these drugs and if you are able to take them in a healthy way and experience growth and happiness, then I'm a jealous fuck.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Bassfreak]
    #14600104 - 06/12/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Bassfreak said:
OP is a tool

if ur mad at people doing mushrooms for different reasons than you, then u must be a child

i do psychs to party and trip face, deal with it




Libertin's post is awesome and it should be welcomed without insult.  His opinion, no matter how forceful or condescending (which I don't find it to be), is another path with which to take these wacky fucking drugs.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Bassfreak]
    #14600112 - 06/12/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Drugs are bad, mmk?


Anyways, using mushrooms to gain insight of your life is just a retarded excuse to use them recreationally. Don't be a dumbass and kid yourself, you don't need these mushrooms for anything other than tripping balls and trying to make something of the experience.

Seems like it would really suck to eat muchrooms with the OP


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14600114 - 06/12/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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After over 100 ayahuasca trips in two years,




Sorry to take this out of context, but WOW, that is incredible. Did you really trip ayahuasca that much?? :shocked:

Personally, I don't think it would be a good idea to take it so frequently....


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: ComaDivine]
    #14600121 - 06/12/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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After over 100 ayahuasca trips in two years,




Sorry to take this out of context, but WOW, that is incredible. Did you really trip ayahuasca that much?? :shocked:

Personally, I don't think it would be a good idea to take it so frequently....




Every Saturday for two years.  It felt perfectly fine and healthy most of the time.  Here is a quote from myself from a previous post that explains my mindset:

You're damn right that it feels you are getting closer to the core of existence.  All of the answers to the mysteries lie there, all knowledge is contained there and you can get it too.  All of it!  Unfortunately its like a dream and it slips away but you can always get it back next time.  It really doesn't feel like abuse because you believe you are growing intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally.  Even when I'd get my ass kicked, in a few days the memory would lose its power over me and I'd enthusiastically go back in and be graciously rewarded for my persistence and tenacity in navigating hyperspace.

The rewards are everything you can imagine and everything you could never imagine.  It's a giant cosmic party all about you.  You're the star of this magical, decadent, self-absorbed freak show.  It's so perfectly tuned to you and your dreams and your psyche and your subconscious that nothing feels so right.

My verdict:  It's an onion that you can keep peeling forever and you'll never get nearer to the core or the truth because there is none.  You're on a treadmill, running in place and you get off and there you are, right where you began, maybe a bit dumber.  It's masturbation and the orgasms keep getting better but you'll never know more because of it.  Eventually you might realize that the orgasms aren't even worth it anymore and they might be damaging your ability to think clearly and operate successfully in consensus reality.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: orange771]
    #14600137 - 06/12/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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orange771 said:
Drugs are bad, mmk?


Anyways, using mushrooms to gain insight of your life is just a retarded excuse to use them recreationally. Don't be a dumbass and kid yourself, you don't need these mushrooms for anything other than tripping balls and trying to make something of the experience.

Seems like it would really suck to eat muchrooms with the OP




Not exactly, if you try to see it from different POV it still makes sense. IE using a shroom trip or any other drug just like meditation. It does help getting in tune with yourself and your mind. But I don't believe people should disapprove of any other method other than what they are comfortable with. It's naive and IMO slows down progression in understanding these drugs.

Different strokes for different folks. I personally enjoy spiritual and shaman like experiences but that doesn't mean I won't munch a few grams and hang out with my friends and watch TV and just enjoy life. There's a time and place for everything.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: ComaDivine]
    #14600193 - 06/12/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No matter how many how much of a drug I find myself taking, I don't take the experience as anything but recreational, or insightful where I just want to space out. Anything that feels important to arise from the effects can be taken positively or negatively, but to make a meaning and intepretation of the experiences I feel is just due to self delusion.
I used to take acid oftenly with friends, and for all of them they took it as a recreational drug and partied, knowing that when effects wear off, they will be back to reality and make no remembrance of the feelings they had whilst tripping, if they felt anything, they would put it down as confusion and move on. I grew up as christian, and believed that every time I tripped I was making a closer connection to God. Although I kept on questioning my faith, all questions dissapeared when I was under the influence.
My life became very hard at one point, problems with family, friends and relationship and I had this thought maybe, there was no God, no faith. I spent 88 pounds for 11 tabs of LSD, and had one of the most incredible experiences I have ever had, I felt at the end of it, I had just awoken into life in the position of me, and everything to do with my past was unrepeatable and hard to remember. I constantly tried to make sense of the experience, feeling to myself disassociated with the world. My work ethic and sociability deteriorated as I constantly sat in my room, trying to make sense of the experience.
I stopped taking hallucinogenics, and give great thanks to speed and marijuana to both help me in my efforts to become more focused with work and for relaxation. I say that these drugs benefit me medically because I have a very low attention span and as well as being a sufferer of S.A.D, but of course there are downsides to both, they can controlled through dosing carefully.
Since my experience, I have made sense to myself that the idea of religion does not make sense to me, and the effects of hallucinogenics do not give insight, they just reinforce thoughts that are already associated with a person (well, in my experience and belief.)

EDIT- Read your post completely wrong Joe :S. I don't think I can manage tripping strong every weekend, if you can take that amount and still remain sane, kudos to you :thumbup:.
I totally agree with the things you say. Although you will never come to an answer, at least whilst under the influence, you can just for a small while pretend there is one to all things in this world we live in.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
    #14600222 - 06/12/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

When Im tripping with my good friends, mushrooms have made me laugh harder and have a better time than I ever would sober.  Im all for those solo introspective trips, but I dont even understand how you could not see tripping as recreational at all.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
    #14600254 - 06/12/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I had a similar perspective on psychedelics years ago. I've learned to take myself and the experience less seriously.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: MOPE]
    #14600263 - 06/12/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It seems like joemolloy started a revolution of sorts. I commend you. You've definity opened my eyes in a different direction. I'm still not sure if the "lies" these drugs create are lies or not, but i havent tripped on shrooms in over a year, and i kinda forget what the experience is like. I've been smoking salvia more, because its the only thing i can find. Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more. I want to find some mushrooms again so i can how they treat me nowadays. But overall i reize its just a drug,and the reason i take drugs is to have a good time..
Less seriousness in using these drugs and life in general could be good for everyone i think.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14600308 - 06/12/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:

You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.

Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.

I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.

Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.

I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.

Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.






Sorry I guess Im not as enlightened as yourself.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14600336 - 06/12/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The psychedelic experience is extremely unique to the individual and it can take different people in all different directions, and clearly yours has taken you in a very personally spiritual one.  Giving it high spiritual value isn't what makes you a pompous ass...and even saying "this isn't the greatest drug for recreational use" wouldn't make you a pompous ass, you would just be communicating your experiences.  What makes you a pompous ass, is when you go as far as saying people who do find this to be an excellent recreational drug are wrong.  Normally when I see people with this attitude, it's the ones so obsessed with "killing their ego" that they are actually just building up a giant one. Ask yourself...are you finding spiritual insight, or are you trying to make a new you who you like better than the old one?  I'm not trying to tell you the answer to that question as it's not to my knowledge nor is it any of my business, I'm just giving you some food for thought because I've been there.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: floydisgod]
    #14600368 - 06/12/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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It seems like joemolloy started a revolution of sorts. I commend you. You've definity opened my eyes in a different direction. I'm still not sure if the "lies" these drugs create are lies or not, but i havent tripped on shrooms in over a year, and i kinda forget what the experience is like. I've been smoking salvia more, because its the only thing i can find. Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more. I want to find some mushrooms again so i can how they treat me nowadays. But overall i reize its just a drug,and the reason i take drugs is to have a good time..
Less seriousness in using these drugs and life in general could be good for everyone i think.





I think people need to stop taking joe so seriously.  No offense to him as I do have a decent amount of respect for his opinion, but quit treating him like a god.  Following his words like sheep and saying he's starting a "revolution" is no better than falling into psychedelic delusion-land, because you're still not using your own brain.  I may not be speaking to you specifically, but I've seen this in other people, just blindly jumping on the joemolloy bandwagon...I'd wager he finds it pretty stupid too. 

Everyone just needs to accept a simple fact: it's either bullshit or it's not, and we have absolutely no way whatsoever of knowing.  Do with that what you will, but to say that that's information you didn't already know is just stupid, it's just information you didn't want to admit to yourself.  Personally, that doesn't mean I'm going to stop searching...it just means I've learned not to take the search too seriously, and to not really care if it's all bullshit and just enjoy the ride anyway.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: PoopyGonzales]
    #14600376 - 06/12/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Too me man. Mushrooms are what YOU make of them, if you think you're taking some super hectic medicine well keep going, but the only thing your medicine will cure is Sanity.

Who are you to tell people they are missing a point. There is no point, all i can say is that you are going crazy trying to reason with yourself why you take drugs, rather than stop and live a normal life, you need excuses to live a super colourful and super charged life.





I agree with PoopyGonzales. "Psychedelic" means mind manifesting. I love that definition because that's EXACTLY what they do.

My mind is full of spiritual thoughts and ideas, that's why my trips usually contain a spiritual elements. This is not however the limit of what my mind can do. My mind is full of other things such love, appreciation, engineering jargon, sex, entertainment and fun. Each of these things can be emphasized and explored by psychedelics just as much as the spiritual side of you.

As joemolloy once said:
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Think about it, all these drugs really do is make you THINK.  Nonstop thinking at breakneck speed with random colors, intersecting ideas, and occasional visions and distorted dreamlike moments that are brought to  life




I agree. It's just thinking. Enlightenment can be achieved through thinking, but so can self delusion. Introspection can be achieved through thinking but so can simple enjoyment.

Psychedelics don't have a purpose, you yourself have a purpose and you can choose if you would like to add psychedelics to that equation or not.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: tokinman21]
    #14600513 - 06/12/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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tokinman21 said:
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floydisgod said:
It seems like joemolloy started a revolution of sorts. I commend you. You've definity opened my eyes in a different direction. I'm still not sure if the "lies" these drugs create are lies or not, but i havent tripped on shrooms in over a year, and i kinda forget what the experience is like. I've been smoking salvia more, because its the only thing i can find. Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more. I want to find some mushrooms again so i can how they treat me nowadays. But overall i reize its just a drug,and the reason i take drugs is to have a good time..
Less seriousness in using these drugs and life in general could be good for everyone i think.





I think people need to stop taking joe so seriously.  No offense to him as I do have a decent amount of respect for his opinion, but quit treating him like a god.  Following his words like sheep and saying he's starting a "revolution" is no better than falling into psychedelic delusion-land, because you're still not using your own brain.  I may not be speaking to you specifically, but I've seen this in other people, just blindly jumping on the joemolloy bandwagon...I'd wager he finds it pretty stupid too. 





I don't think anyone on this site is a sheep, whether they agree with me or not.  I forcefully propose a constellation of ideas that are rarely persuasively expressed or coherently articulated on drug sites.  I didn't create them, my mom pointed me in their direction during the peaks of some intense trips and afterwards I connected some dots.  The fact that some people relate to what I say or can see some truth in my opinions is because they are rational, critical, and skeptical ideas.  These are three traits of thinking that sometimes get bulldozed by a drug-addled mind. 

There really is no recreational guide to psychedelics, but there is much spiritual literature and advice in psychedelic culture.  I'd welcome a change of thinking about these drugs because my path might have been a healthier one had I known then what I think I know now.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14600643 - 06/12/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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tokinman21 said:
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floydisgod said:
It seems like joemolloy started a revolution of sorts. I commend you. You've definity opened my eyes in a different direction. I'm still not sure if the "lies" these drugs create are lies or not, but i havent tripped on shrooms in over a year, and i kinda forget what the experience is like. I've been smoking salvia more, because its the only thing i can find. Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more. I want to find some mushrooms again so i can how they treat me nowadays. But overall i reize its just a drug,and the reason i take drugs is to have a good time..
Less seriousness in using these drugs and life in general could be good for everyone i think.





I think people need to stop taking joe so seriously.  No offense to him as I do have a decent amount of respect for his opinion, but quit treating him like a god.  Following his words like sheep and saying he's starting a "revolution" is no better than falling into psychedelic delusion-land, because you're still not using your own brain.  I may not be speaking to you specifically, but I've seen this in other people, just blindly jumping on the joemolloy bandwagon...I'd wager he finds it pretty stupid too. 





I don't think anyone on this site is a sheep, whether they agree with me or not.  I forcefully propose a constellation of ideas that are rarely persuasively expressed or coherently articulated on drug sites.  I didn't create them, my mom pointed me in their direction during the peaks of some intense trips and afterwards I connected some dots.  The fact that some people relate to what I say or can see some truth in my opinions is because they are rational, critical, and skeptical ideas.  These are three traits of thinking that sometimes get bulldozed by a drug-addled mind. 

There really is no recreational guide to psychedelics, but there is much spiritual literature and advice in psychedelic culture.  I'd welcome a change of thinking about these drugs because my path might have been a healthier one had I known then what I think I know now.




Perhaps this wasn't the right spot to communicate that, because I guess the post I was directing mine at wasn't really who I should've been.  I agree that a majority of people who change their minds about various subjects after reading your posts are using their brains, but I'm also seeing another group that's just jumping on the bandwagon.  I suppose that's natural though, it is in human nature to be rather sheep-ish and I guess that probably has nothing to do with the particular situation...there will always just be those people.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: tokinman21]
    #14600814 - 06/12/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a huge rock music fan....and i use mushrooms to enhance my favorite psychedelic music


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14601007 - 06/12/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed.




Who are you to say that Open Eyed Visuals can not be just as intense as close eyed? Have you ever tried DMT? IME there are numerous times where you can not distinguish close eyed from open eyed on DMT, and if you are so spiritual and such a true psychonaut you would know that the mental effects are what most important not the visuals.

Why must one trip alone? Why must it be quiet? Bouncing ideas off people while tripping can lead to lots of insight and interesting ideas. I think that your view on tripping is kind of naive and narrow.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: JimLahey]
    #14601081 - 06/12/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between




Eh...if you believe that there is some special truth or reality reserved for the few who do things in some specialized way then all you're missing is a tax exempt status. The only point of any experience is to have it...


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Yippie]
    #14601350 - 06/12/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

@OP The point is not to judge others, and by you saying someone who does things for different reasons than yourself, is wrong... Just  proves you are the one missing the point.

Government is the reason for the bad image, not any self righteous bs you're spewing. What a complete tool.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14601932 - 06/12/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug.




:huxleyfacepalm: My recreational drug use has centered on mushrooms for many years now. :Feelstrippyman:
As well as my spiritual use. :yinyang2:  And other uses.  And the mushrooms don't seem to mind at all.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: tokinman21]
    #14602263 - 06/12/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The psychedelic experience is extremely unique to the individual and it can take different people in all different directions, and clearly yours has taken you in a very personally spiritual one.  Giving it high spiritual value isn't what makes you a pompous ass...and even saying "this isn't the greatest drug for recreational use" wouldn't make you a pompous ass, you would just be communicating your experiences.  What makes you a pompous ass, is when you go as far as saying people who do find this to be an excellent recreational drug are wrong.  Normally when I see people with this attitude, it's the ones so obsessed with "killing their ego" that they are actually just building up a giant one. Ask yourself...are you finding spiritual insight, or are you trying to make a new you who you like better than the old one?  I'm not trying to tell you the answer to that question as it's not to my knowledge nor is it any of my business, I'm just giving you some food for thought because I've been there.




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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: VTtripper]
    #14602293 - 06/12/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I used to think joemolly was a troll, but now I think he's the smartest guy around here who provides a fresh perspective. Where would we be without him on this site... It would be a chaotic display of delusional posts of people who think they are finding the answers yet they can't properly articulate them to others.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14602471 - 06/12/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I used to think joemolly was a troll, but now I think he's the smartest guy around here who provides a fresh perspective. Where would we be without him on this site... It would be a chaotic display of delusional posts of people who think they are finding the answers yet they can't properly articulate them to others.



If you think about it, it's just common sense really. Those people who are adapt to spiritual thought, are not likely to believe what Joe really has to say, as well that not everyone really speaks their view on what they believe they gain from psychedelic experiences.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14602500 - 06/12/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I used to think joemolly was a troll, but now I think he's the smartest guy around here who provides a fresh perspective. Where would we be without him on this site... It would be a chaotic display of delusional posts of people who think they are finding the answers yet they can't properly articulate them to others.




I'm a sad soul with a psychedelic drug habit/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it.  I'm just trying to work my way through it and hoping that I can keep a healthy relationship with these drugs.  By calling bullshit on the mystical/spiritual/medicinal benefits of these drugs, they have lost part of their glimmering appeal to me.

My next step is to see if taking them for purely recreational purposes will also devolve into habitual, addictive behavior.  So far, so good but we know that the mind is sneaky fucker and I'm really my own worst enemy because the lies I tell myself are so fucking clever.  Oh, its a bitch.  Can I just take this shit recreationally every once and a while and not be obsessed about them?


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14602526 - 06/12/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There really is no recreational guide to psychedelics,




I beg to differ.  There is a FABULOUS book on recreational psychedelic use called "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide."  See:  http://www.erowid.org/library/review/review.php?p=334

Outstanding book.  I heartily recommend it.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14602612 - 06/12/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I used to think joemolly was a troll, but now I think he's the smartest guy around here who provides a fresh perspective. Where would we be without him on this site... It would be a chaotic display of delusional posts of people who think they are finding the answers yet they can't properly articulate them to others.




I'm a sad soul with a psychedelic drug habit/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it.  I'm just trying to work my way through it and hoping that I can keep a healthy relationship with these drugs.  By calling bullshit on the mystical/spiritual/medicinal benefits of these drugs, they have lost part of their glimmering appeal to me.

My next step is to see if taking them for purely recreational purposes will also devolve into habitual, addictive behavior.  So far, so good but we know that the mind is sneaky fucker and I'm really my own worst enemy because the lies I tell myself are so fucking clever.  Oh, its a bitch.  Can I just take this shit recreationally every once and a while and not be obsessed about them?




You call bullshit for what these drugs do not benefit yourself with, but you still take these drugs? Why do you herald whilst sober that there are is no actual achievement for yourself when taking psychedelics besides being for recreational use, but you still admit that your usage is more to do than that? Is it that you do not want to deny yourself fully that maybe your belief of spirituality or belief of achieving medically beneficial effects from your use is non-existent? Is it that you want delude yourself in a subconscious level to escape the reality, or is your habit due to boredom?
I find your points very interesting, but for everybody there are their own beliefs, and for them, they may achieve insight that for a rational mind like yours can be seen as delusion, but for the person deluding them-self, gives them a sense of purpose? And you may not have any medical benefits from hallucinogenic drug use, but what about people who suffer from cluster headaches, or terminally ill patients that may benefit from a psychological boost?


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
    #14602680 - 06/12/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The drugs feel awesome to me.  When tripping I experience a happiness, a joy, a pleasure that normal life can never match.  I have a good life, a strong family, plenty of love, financial security, that million dollar smile - all of it.  But powerful drugs that flood the pleasure centers of the brain can sometimes make a wonderful sober life sparkle less often.  That's the price of admission, I guess, and its a hefty one to pay.  Sometimes I wonder if its worth it.

While I may often arrogantly project my experience on others, I don't know what is going on in anyone's head or have access to their true motivations and that's why I envy people who don't fall into the habitual, abusive, and addictive patterns of drug use like I did. 

I'm sure there are people out there who use these drugs responsibly and benefit from them - but I don't think their trips feel like mine - if they were, they'd get addicted too.  Is that unfair or fucked up thinking?  I think that many habitual drug users will eventually stumble upon a drug that hits their sweet spot.  My drug was ayahuasca.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14602704 - 06/12/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There really is no recreational guide to psychedelics,




I beg to differ.  There is a FABULOUS book on recreational psychedelic use called "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide."  See:  http://www.erowid.org/library/review/review.php?p=334

Outstanding book.  I heartily recommend it.

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Oy vey.  I read the review of it.  I better stay away from it, Natureboy.  I think I have enough fun tripping without a guide to make it even better.  I need anti-drug books.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14602734 - 06/12/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

One thing I learned from drugs...all drugs...is to stop taking everything so fucking seriously. Some things are important. Some things aren't.

I've learned profound things while under the influence, but realize that you're just eating a mushroom that grew on cow shit and tripping. When you start believing the shit, you're in trouble.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14602785 - 06/12/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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My next step is to see if taking them for purely recreational purposes will also devolve into habitual, addictive behavior.  So far, so good but we know that the mind is sneaky fucker and I'm really my own worst enemy because the lies I tell myself are so fucking clever.  Oh, its a bitch.  Can I just take this shit recreationally every once and a while and not be obsessed about them?




Yeah man, I hear ya.  I come from a line of addictive personality types, people who ate and smoked and drank to excess and died of heart attacks and cancer and cirrhosis... With me it's a struggle, I can be all over it one day and shying away the next.  I treat the mushrooms with respect and they reward me for growing them.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: HipsterDoofus]
    #14602832 - 06/12/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14602895 - 06/12/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:

You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.

Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.

I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.

Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.

I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.

Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.




QFT. I feel exactly the same way. I am, however, the only person that I know that feels this way.:shrug:


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14602901 - 06/12/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I understand what you mean. The way I see it, is that all humans have the goal to find happiness, to seek nirvana, and with these substances the sense if offered. If nirvana can be achieved by just taking these drugs, the point to keep on searching seems unworthy and as you say, nothing matches the sense of high you get whilst under the influence.
It may not be that your trips are different to others, but with your personality, you find that tripping pleasures you more than what others people find. Like you get people who drink until they are drunk and enjoy it, and others who hate the experience, yet they show the same symptoms, or how people cannot get enough of the pleasure of sex, whereas I have a low libido and don't find myself thinking about having intercourse as much as I would believe other people do.
"Lighter" drugs seem to be favoured in this website, but in the case of "heavier" drugs, for example, cocaine, has it's addiction its widely thought to be due to the euphoria it brings, the drug directly stimulates the brains dopamine receptors so much greater than normal (reported by some as a 400% increase). The person is then to suffer addiction because there is no natural way to achieve the sort of high. You see people addicted to sex and unable to give up, but the euphoria achieved from cocaine is so much greater. You can see that the euphoria they want to achieve, being superior than what you and me achieve from hallucinogenics, is simply achievable through the use of cocaine, but due to the stigma and legality of the drug, the user (or how society takes it, the abuser) looks down at this sort of "escape" and the user must come back to harsh reality. People might take that the "abuser" is wasting time and is making them-self delusional, but it can also be argued that the "user" is achieving his/her purpose in life, to achieve nirvana. And it is in my opinion, that people should be free to achieve their nirvana this way, but to take care and accept the consequences with hefty use.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
    #14602958 - 06/12/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Insightful post, Fronnis.  I have a buddy who regularly smokes weed and he often asks me to smoke with him.  I always decline because I know that if I did, I'd probably be smoking it daily within a year.  Everything I do and enjoy, I go to extremes and I don't want to complicate my life further with a weed habit or any other obsession.  I guess it doesn't matter if its a drug, a non-drug habit, or whatever, many of us are wired to compulsively seek that pleasure and as you said are forced to accept the consequences.  For a while we may not be able to identify negative consequences because we minimize them so effectively.  Eventually though, they'll rear their ugly head and then you might be deep into something that's difficult to escape from.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
    #14603042 - 06/12/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have to say that I agree with a lot of points that you make Libertin. However I do agree with the others that it does have its place in recreational use. It is a lot of fun to hang with the guys and just go crazy laughing our heads off for 4 hours straight. No it isn't very spiritual per say but they are special moments that strengthen our friendships. On the other hand I mostly prefer using mushrooms for meditation and self exploration and find that this is their true purpose for usage. Many ancient civilizations and even still today use them for only sacred practices, because they have the upmost respect for them. They don't just see mushrooms as a means to an end, i.e., 'tripping face'. They see them as an ancient wise spirit, and those of you who say they don't teach you shit then you're too busy talking when you should be listening. In conclusion, like everything in life the shrooms are what you make of them, and to each his own! Shroom On everyone whatever your preference just spread the love!


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14603158 - 06/12/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I put on good tunes, smoke good bud, and go wherever the trip takes me.  I don't know if that's recreational or not, but I care just as much as I know.  Shrooms are whatever what you make of them, will it matter when you're on your death bed what other people made of them?
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    #14603232 - 06/12/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



If I ingest filings from a hammer, thats not its original use and shouldnt be ingested. Mushrooms aren't supposed to be eaten at all, as far as I'm concerned. By your logic, your doing it wrong if you eat them at all.



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    #14603286 - 06/12/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I hate introducing people to psychedelics and they dose low and walk away from the experience with little to no understanding of the power and significance of the drug/psychedelic experience and treat it like a toy and little respect.

Then they go on to tell/brag to people how they did acid, when in reality typically they did the lowest possible dose and barely even got a taste of what LSD has to offer. Same with other psychs, but I've witnessed this with LSD more than any other psych.

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    #14603307 - 06/12/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe you have taken that many mushrooms that the only way for you to not think of yourself as a druggo, is to put other people into a whole new category, as so that you no longer fit there and are now some "Higher Intelligence" which really you are a form of intelligence that gets alot higher than your normal people.





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    #14603342 - 06/12/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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On the other hand I mostly prefer using mushrooms for meditation and self exploration and find that this is their true purpose for usage.




Maybe it's just me but this is the thread for bitching, right?  I think there's no "purpose for usage", that's just more confusion.  They can take you to heaven or hell, an inexperienced user doesn't always get to choose.

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    #14603462 - 06/12/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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On the other hand I mostly prefer using mushrooms for meditation and self exploration and find that this is their true purpose for usage.




Maybe it's just me but this is the thread for bitching, right?  I think there's no "purpose for usage", that's just more confusion.  They can take you to heaven or hell, an inexperienced user doesn't always get to choose.

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  I was merely stating that it was what I find their true purpose for usage, not yours or his/hers, hence "to each his own". It was my whole point of my post sorry you missed it. Again, I agree with you there is no one definite purpose of usage and that is, I guess the beauty of it and hope the OP might reconsider his belief. No one is bitching here just stating their opinions, and you are right, they will take you wherever you let them take you-just stay seated and enjoy the ride! I personably believe that shrooms are a sacrement and in most cases shouldn't be taken for the sake of getting fucked up or for other hedonistic purposes-for the most part. I say for the most part because as I said in my original post some good can come of just tripping for fun i.e, strengthening friendships. However it needs to be something respected and not taken for granted

  OP don't be afraid to chime back in-don't leave us hanging! This is a good topic and I love to hear from both sides!


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    #14603751 - 06/12/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I'm a true psychonaut, because even when my emotions are going crazy-all-over-the-place and my trip isn't 100% euphoria, I'm still happy I'm tripping.

Its not that we are using mushrooms wrong, its that some people should not take mushrooms. You can't use something right or wrong, that's perception. That's you putting your opinion on what something is.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Sorealism]
    #14603752 - 06/12/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, no problem until "AND THIS IS THEIR TRUE PURPOSE!!!!" :laugh2:

See, you/me/anybody has no idea whether common claims like

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Many ancient civilizations and even still today use them for only sacred practices, because they have the upmost respect for them.




are true or just blowin' smoke.  Find their "purpose" if you need one in what they do for you here and now, all else is speculation.

My comment about bitching was just levity, I didn't put the :lol: on it to make it easier.

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    #14603760 - 06/13/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Lowish doses of mushrooms have been fun very consistently for me. I'd say that in the range of 1-2 grams, mushrooms are my favorite recreational drug.

They are an entirely different animal at higher doses, you would be right to say that eating 3 or 4+ grams is not recreational.

I don't think I'm missing the point :shrug: I am intentionally under-shooting the dose required to reach that point, and I don't think it is any more damaging than using any other drug recreationally. Maybe it is safer, because if I get too carried away with it, rather than dangerous physical effects, I will have a heavy trip that teaches me a lesson about moderation.

It all depends on your perspective.

Anyway I find some positive value in low doses as well. Think of it as a social communication thing, similar to ecstasy maybe. It doesn't have to be a totally intense and introspective thing, but of course that is a good thing as well.


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    #14603778 - 06/13/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The problem is that people are looking for a purpose. There isn't a purpose in life. Just experience it and make the best of it. Stop holding onto the past, stop creating an image of yourself, stop fucking over analyzing everything for a meaning, stop digging so deep into your emotions.

Emotions are a chemical in the body just like pot, sex, booze, acid, coffee, nicotine, and pretty much anything else.

I have looked past my emotions. Now, I am genuinely happy. I am sometimes sad, but that doesn't turn to depression. Sometimes I get a little heated, but I never get actually angry over small things that just happen (mistakes just happen). I also don't let my anger turn into rage.

At the end of the day though, I always find that I was happy all day. I don't want to waste my time with emotions at all, so whenever I'm forced to, I'm gonna make the fucking best of this universe that I have the PRIVILEGE to experience.

If the drug doesn't work out like you wanted it to, tough shit. That happens. As someone who smokes pot daily, trips hard monthly, trips light bi-weekly, and I'm just genuinely on some drug 24 hours a day, sometimes your drug isn't going to be nice. Sometimes your emotions go crazy. Sometimes you see fucked up shit. Sometimes you get introspective. Are you going to let it bother you and become another victim of somebody who delved into the rabbit hole, got bit and stepped out? Or are you going to fucking learn something and go back down again?

Ninja edit: Mushrooms at low doses suck. I'm to the point now that I eat at least 4 grams if I'm even gonna think about it. Low doses just give me this weird body high that I feel like I should be tripping but I never do. And sometimes it just makes my emotions go retarded, and doesn't make the ego easy to remove. Then it gets introspective, and is just a genuine waste of shrooms imo. Dosing hard has never failed. Sometimes things get weird, but its never been bad.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Joolz]
    #14604558 - 06/13/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think the ability to suspend judgment about the meaning of these experiences is essential to their analysis. However, if we never accept any of them as truths, then what are we really learning?

In dialogue, if a person is interested in trying mushrooms, I endorse that the experience be alone or with a silent partner. I have concluded this is something I look at mainly in a spiritual context. You only get so many opportunities to legitimately affect someone's viewpoint on such topics and I'd rather speak to what I see as being ultimately more beneficial in the long term.


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    #14605487 - 06/13/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Im with op 110%. You do have fun with them, but its all for the experiance


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Glayvin]
    #14605806 - 06/13/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the ability to suspend judgment about the meaning of these experiences is essential to their analysis. However, if we never accept any of them as truths, then what are we really learning?




Even believing they have meaning can be a mistake.  Do dreams have meaning, or are they just something that the brain needs to do for it's own inexplicable purposes?

IME learning occurs with mushroom trips in the context of enhanced brain functioning and what that can reveal to anybody intensely interested in how such things work.  And learning occurs in neuroplastic adaptation to novelty - such things as overall creativity, interlobal connectivity, interhemispherical integration (particularly!), acquisition of new skills such as musical proficiency; in general, whatever the brain does that tends to make you you can undergo enhancement and refinement thanks to the action of the mushrooms.

But "truth" - now, that's an entirely different realm and a slippery one, as generations of inadequate philosophers would testify if they only knew how. :lol:  "Truth" requires some referent to its opposite to even be seen as such, and this is merely another in an endless series of hair-splitting that keeps you or me in the chains of desire.

If you desire "truth" in psychedelics try to approach it from the point of view that you don't know anything and see where that leads.  Get out of yourself entirely and you just might find that dualistic concepts like truth or reality or existence loosen their hold and let you see something more valuable than "truth" - they let you see beauty.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Blight]
    #14606039 - 06/13/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:

You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.

Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.

I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.

Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.

I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.

Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.




QFT. I feel exactly the same way. I am, however, the only person that I know that feels this way.:shrug:




100% agree with OP and this other guy.

On the other hand, I have noticed that if you go into the trip with the recreational mindset.. then you're going to have a light, fun trip with not much insight. However, if you decide to completely submit yourself to the mushrooms, then you're in for a spiritual journey like no other.


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Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:

You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.

Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.

I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.

Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.

I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.

Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.




QFT. I feel exactly the same way. I am, however, the only person that I know that feels this way.:shrug:




100% agree with OP and this other guy.

On the other hand, I have noticed that if you go into the trip with the recreational mindset.. then you're going to have a light, fun trip with not much insight. However, if you decide to completely submit yourself to the mushrooms, then you're in for a spiritual journey like no other.





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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Locky]
    #14607362 - 06/13/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

not another one of these threads...

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    #14607600 - 06/13/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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not another one of these threads...





I know, I know.  I always get suckered in though.  (Hell half the times I instigate them)

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    #14608068 - 06/13/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

To this thread:

... why does it always have to be either "the way, the truth, and the light"... or "bullshit"?

Ever consider that psychedelics could be enjoyable, useful in some way, low-dose recreation, high-dose ego annihilation, just a hobby, life itself, healthy, dangerous, and many other ends of many other spectrum depending on the person, their tendencies, and infinite other factors?

Some have already shown to likely be in agreement on this, but I am astonished by how many seem to think its so simple.

On this: "Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more."

Are you serious right now? get your feet planted firmly before you go hopping about. Why does it have to be religion or bullshit?

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: nateup]
    #14608358 - 06/13/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I totally agree with you, BUT...I do need to say that ALL drugs have recreational AND medical/therapeutic value.

And if you're going to say this about mushrooms, you'd might as well group ALL hallucinogens together (except ecstasy) and say that none of them should be used for fun, but only for mind/self exploration.

I do agree that the negative stigma on hallucinogens does stem from people who do not understand the therapeutic value of those substances.

I agree with you, but come on, say the same thing about ALL hallucinogens, not just mushrooms.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14608699 - 06/13/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Having fun and enjoying yourself is actually good medicine for your spirit

If something needs be learned it will happen anyways whether which way you use them.

Ive got to meet a few spiritual leaders from north and south america who hold to the old ways and have participated in a lot of different ceremonies.

You know mushrooms have been used recreationally for a very long time.There isnt really a strict ceremony for them like other medicines.

I know your intentions are good and understand what you mean.

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    #14609278 - 06/13/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: MoxyOx]
    #14609740 - 06/13/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with Joe. Psychs are whatever you want them to be, I just wish they would be less awesome that I didn't wake up and dream about tripping face every day.

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
    #14609876 - 06/14/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i think there's something to be said for both sides of the argument..

but i would ask you libertin, do you believe people shouldn't take them unless they're looking for a spiritual trip? what about people who use them as medicine? 

You know psilocybin and psilocin [in small doses] will take away a horrible migraine when nothing else will?


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Hobbyist]
    #14611587 - 06/14/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Libertin has left the building - you're arguing with a ghost here.  Thread dead. :stalin:

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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14613724 - 06/14/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think MoxyOx ends this thread quite greatly with his quote.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
    #14613909 - 06/14/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No  :Awemush:


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14614432 - 06/14/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
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I think the ability to suspend judgment about the meaning of these experiences is essential to their analysis. However, if we never accept any of them as truths, then what are we really learning?




Even believing they have meaning can be a mistake.  Do dreams have meaning, or are they just something that the brain needs to do for it's own inexplicable purposes?

IME learning occurs with mushroom trips in the context of enhanced brain functioning and what that can reveal to anybody intensely interested in how such things work.  And learning occurs in neuroplastic adaptation to novelty - such things as overall creativity, interlobal connectivity, interhemispherical integration (particularly!), acquisition of new skills such as musical proficiency; in general, whatever the brain does that tends to make you you can undergo enhancement and refinement thanks to the action of the mushrooms.

But "truth" - now, that's an entirely different realm and a slippery one, as generations of inadequate philosophers would testify if they only knew how. :lol:  "Truth" requires some referent to its opposite to even be seen as such, and this is merely another in an endless series of hair-splitting that keeps you or me in the chains of desire.

If you desire "truth" in psychedelics try to approach it from the point of view that you don't know anything and see where that leads.  Get out of yourself entirely and you just might find that dualistic concepts like truth or reality or existence loosen their hold and let you see something more valuable than "truth" - they let you see beauty.

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Could not have possibly said this better myself, in any way.  My thoughts exactly, Bravo good sir.


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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: tokinman21]
    #14614887 - 06/14/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
    #14617447 - 06/15/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Response to OP - mushrooms are just unpredictable, that's all. Sometimes they're perfect, sometimes things go totally haywire. It's all totally subjective to dozens of factors.

That said, the kids I see posting in here saying shit like

"My momz comming home frum work in two hours, can me and my 14 yr old frend eat 6 grms each 4 our 1st time and then stay in our room and get away with it? Plzzz reply we already ate them need to know fast!"

:crankey::crankey::crankey::facepalm::facepalm3::facepalm:

THIS is the kind of person who needs a reality check about mushrooms. Any other responsible, informed use is fine by me, no matter what the purpose.


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