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PrimalSoup
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Glayvin]
#14605806 - 06/13/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the ability to suspend judgment about the meaning of these experiences is essential to their analysis. However, if we never accept any of them as truths, then what are we really learning?
Even believing they have meaning can be a mistake. Do dreams have meaning, or are they just something that the brain needs to do for it's own inexplicable purposes?
IME learning occurs with mushroom trips in the context of enhanced brain functioning and what that can reveal to anybody intensely interested in how such things work. And learning occurs in neuroplastic adaptation to novelty - such things as overall creativity, interlobal connectivity, interhemispherical integration (particularly!), acquisition of new skills such as musical proficiency; in general, whatever the brain does that tends to make you you can undergo enhancement and refinement thanks to the action of the mushrooms.
But "truth" - now, that's an entirely different realm and a slippery one, as generations of inadequate philosophers would testify if they only knew how. "Truth" requires some referent to its opposite to even be seen as such, and this is merely another in an endless series of hair-splitting that keeps you or me in the chains of desire.
If you desire "truth" in psychedelics try to approach it from the point of view that you don't know anything and see where that leads. Get out of yourself entirely and you just might find that dualistic concepts like truth or reality or existence loosen their hold and let you see something more valuable than "truth" - they let you see beauty.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Blight]
#14606039 - 06/13/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Libertin said: Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:
You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.
Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.
I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.
Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.
I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.
Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.
QFT. I feel exactly the same way. I am, however, the only person that I know that feels this way.
100% agree with OP and this other guy.
On the other hand, I have noticed that if you go into the trip with the recreational mindset.. then you're going to have a light, fun trip with not much insight. However, if you decide to completely submit yourself to the mushrooms, then you're in for a spiritual journey like no other.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: ButteredToast]
#14606272 - 06/13/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ButteredToast said:
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Blight said:
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Libertin said: Some of you will take offence at this. Some will wonder who am I to instruct you on how to use your drugs. But there's something I want to say to those who advocate mushrooms as a recreational drug:
You're missing the point! Your advice is dangerous and you're the reason people think mushrooms are just another drug to get high on.
Mushrooms are NOT a good recreational drug. Yes, you can have fun whilst tripping on mushrooms but it's also very easy to have an uncomfortable time and unwelcome insights into yourself which you were not expecting. I would never recommend mushrooms to a friend looking for a 'bit of fun' because from experience, I know that they can leave an indelible impression on the user. I would recommend them to people who want a deeper exploration of themselves and are prepared to take on a real challenge.
I am not wholly against recreational drug use. If you want to have an externalized, material, sensory experience at a setting such as a party or with a group of friends, fine! Just don't use mushrooms; they're the wrong tool for the job. You're just trashing the image of mushrooms, lowering the public's perception of this powerful drug. Furthermore, using mushrooms in a recreational context is missing the point entirely. You will not gain even the shallowest of insights into yourself by using mushrooms in this way.
Mushrooms are for the TRUE PSYCHONAUT. Those who are willing to take the good with the bad. Those who trip alone (or with well behaved quiet partners/sitters) with eyes closed. Those who use the mushrooms as a vehicle to go deep inside and explore the magnificent realm of the human psyche.
I expect this to be an unpopular viewpoint as I've noticed that true psychonauts are few and far between. Even in a place such as the shroomery, I'm having to sift through far too many posts to find an interesting contribution. If you're disgusted by my view and think that your recreational use of mushrooms is justified then just try it next time you trip. Put down your Xbox controller, turn off your crappy movie, lie down, close your eyes, shut up and WATCH. If it's too difficult then you know that mushrooms aren't for you. Hopefully you'll realise that mushrooms are not a toy but are in fact a tool of truly astounding power which deserves the utmost respect and should not be yielded irresponsibly.
Use mushrooms correctly and the reward is a profound respect for the awesome power of one's own mind. Use them incorrectly and you'll have a cheap, hollow experience and nothing of interest to say afterwards.
QFT. I feel exactly the same way. I am, however, the only person that I know that feels this way.
100% agree with OP and this other guy.
On the other hand, I have noticed that if you go into the trip with the recreational mindset.. then you're going to have a light, fun trip with not much insight. However, if you decide to completely submit yourself to the mushrooms, then you're in for a spiritual journey like no other.
gft, also
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Locky]
#14607362 - 06/13/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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not another one of these threads...
psychs are exactly what you make of them, without fail.
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joemolloy
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: gabbaganchi]
#14607600 - 06/13/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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gabbaganchi said: not another one of these threads...
I know, I know. I always get suckered in though. (Hell half the times I instigate them)
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psychs are exactly what you make of them, without fail.
I wish I could make them less awesome so I wouldn't be so damn obsessed about tripping all the time.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy] 1
#14608068 - 06/13/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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To this thread:
... why does it always have to be either "the way, the truth, and the light"... or "bullshit"?
Ever consider that psychedelics could be enjoyable, useful in some way, low-dose recreation, high-dose ego annihilation, just a hobby, life itself, healthy, dangerous, and many other ends of many other spectrum depending on the person, their tendencies, and infinite other factors?
Some have already shown to likely be in agreement on this, but I am astonished by how many seem to think its so simple.
On this: "Those experiences are weird and i've definitely had some insignhtful trips on that, but the seed has been planted that these insightful trips are nothing more than dillusions, so i'm not sure what i believe any more."
Are you serious right now? get your feet planted firmly before you go hopping about. Why does it have to be religion or bullshit?
love yall, but please chill out. It just is. Everything else is painted by the individual.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: nateup]
#14608358 - 06/13/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I totally agree with you, BUT...I do need to say that ALL drugs have recreational AND medical/therapeutic value.
And if you're going to say this about mushrooms, you'd might as well group ALL hallucinogens together (except ecstasy) and say that none of them should be used for fun, but only for mind/self exploration.
I do agree that the negative stigma on hallucinogens does stem from people who do not understand the therapeutic value of those substances.
I agree with you, but come on, say the same thing about ALL hallucinogens, not just mushrooms.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: occollegeboi]
#14608699 - 06/13/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Having fun and enjoying yourself is actually good medicine for your spirit
If something needs be learned it will happen anyways whether which way you use them.
Ive got to meet a few spiritual leaders from north and south america who hold to the old ways and have participated in a lot of different ceremonies.
You know mushrooms have been used recreationally for a very long time.There isnt really a strict ceremony for them like other medicines.
I know your intentions are good and understand what you mean.
stay positive and hold mushrooms with respect and you wont get bit.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: savage.renegade] 1
#14609278 - 06/13/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.” -Nietzsche
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: MoxyOx]
#14609740 - 06/13/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with Joe. Psychs are whatever you want them to be, I just wish they would be less awesome that I didn't wake up and dream about tripping face every day.
HAVING TOO MUCH FUN
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: joemolloy]
#14609876 - 06/14/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think there's something to be said for both sides of the argument..
but i would ask you libertin, do you believe people shouldn't take them unless they're looking for a spiritual trip? what about people who use them as medicine?
You know psilocybin and psilocin [in small doses] will take away a horrible migraine when nothing else will?
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Hobbyist]
#14611587 - 06/14/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Libertin has left the building - you're arguing with a ghost here. Thread dead.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14613724 - 06/14/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think MoxyOx ends this thread quite greatly with his quote.
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Fronnis]
#14613909 - 06/14/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14614432 - 06/14/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the ability to suspend judgment about the meaning of these experiences is essential to their analysis. However, if we never accept any of them as truths, then what are we really learning?
Even believing they have meaning can be a mistake. Do dreams have meaning, or are they just something that the brain needs to do for it's own inexplicable purposes?
IME learning occurs with mushroom trips in the context of enhanced brain functioning and what that can reveal to anybody intensely interested in how such things work. And learning occurs in neuroplastic adaptation to novelty - such things as overall creativity, interlobal connectivity, interhemispherical integration (particularly!), acquisition of new skills such as musical proficiency; in general, whatever the brain does that tends to make you you can undergo enhancement and refinement thanks to the action of the mushrooms.
But "truth" - now, that's an entirely different realm and a slippery one, as generations of inadequate philosophers would testify if they only knew how. "Truth" requires some referent to its opposite to even be seen as such, and this is merely another in an endless series of hair-splitting that keeps you or me in the chains of desire.
If you desire "truth" in psychedelics try to approach it from the point of view that you don't know anything and see where that leads. Get out of yourself entirely and you just might find that dualistic concepts like truth or reality or existence loosen their hold and let you see something more valuable than "truth" - they let you see beauty.
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Could not have possibly said this better myself, in any way. My thoughts exactly, Bravo good sir.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: tokinman21]
#14614887 - 06/14/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Recreational Trippers - Missing the Point Entirely [Re: Libertin]
#14617447 - 06/15/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Response to OP - mushrooms are just unpredictable, that's all. Sometimes they're perfect, sometimes things go totally haywire. It's all totally subjective to dozens of factors.
That said, the kids I see posting in here saying shit like
"My momz comming home frum work in two hours, can me and my 14 yr old frend eat 6 grms each 4 our 1st time and then stay in our room and get away with it? Plzzz reply we already ate them need to know fast!"
     
THIS is the kind of person who needs a reality check about mushrooms. Any other responsible, informed use is fine by me, no matter what the purpose.
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