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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599575 - 06/12/11 05:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You are incorrect on both counts..hate is the opposite of love, and the opposite of fear is not love, it is bravery.

The dictionary is incorrect.:shrug: I suspect the dictionary was written by humans with death anxiety.:wink:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599578 - 06/12/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

and yes your post from the very beginning and up to this one show how much you welcome new members.

And when can we stop kissing your ass?


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Icelander]
    #14599581 - 06/12/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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and yes your post from the very beginning and up to this one show how much you welcome new members.

And when can we stop kissing your ass?


:lol:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599582 - 06/12/11 05:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So you're saying that disagreeing with new members is inappropriate?



no not at all, was just commenting back on you calling my thread stupid and that it should have been over a while ago along with other comments from the beginning.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599588 - 06/12/11 05:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's a personal opinion and within forum guidelines.  You can dispute it or ignore it. This forum is hard on sensitive types and many leave or put lots of people on ignore. And that's their right.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599593 - 06/12/11 06:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
So you're saying that disagreeing with new members is inappropriate?



no not at all, was just commenting back on you calling my thread stupid and that it should have been over a while ago along with other comments from the beginning.


You mean like this one:

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i've said a lot, and write more than you read.


Your schizophrenic ramblings do not impress me in the least..there is no way you can know if you write more than I read, because you don't know me. If you truly do write more than I read, however, and all your writings are like this, that is nothing to be proud of..you should know how to intelligibly express yourself if you actually write more than I read, assuming of course that you're not suffering from either some type of mental illness or learning disorder.




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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Icelander]
    #14599601 - 06/12/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks a bunch :smile:

poid, i'm actually starting to see your sense of humor shine through..
when i said i write more than you read i guess i meant more of like you're standing at a different angle where you don't see a part of what i am writing..


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599608 - 06/12/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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poid, i'm actually starting to see your sense of humor shine through..


It's about damn time. :stoned:


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when i said i write more than you read i guess i meant more of like you're standing at a different angle where you don't see a part of what i am writing..


Oh, I see what you meant now..I would enjoy your posts more if they weren't so vague/symbolic, you should just fully & clearly express your ideas in the first place and not expect people to understand your vague insinuations. :thumbup:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599637 - 06/12/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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poid, i'm actually starting to see your sense of humor shine through..


It's about damn time. :stoned:


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when i said i write more than you read i guess i meant more of like you're standing at a different angle where you don't see a part of what i am writing..


Oh, I see what you meant now..I would enjoy your posts more if they weren't so vague/symbolic, you should just fully & clearly express your ideas in the first place and not expect people to understand your vague insinuations. :thumbup:




yeah i get that often. it sucks because i'm well gifted in "reading" things, to say the least, yet the worst at explaining.
and what i "read" or "sense", if you get me, is very clear and out-of-the-box thinking to me but i do not know how to explain it..
it is a little hard to explain the invisible things people don't sense at all.. it seems. (or at least things that are never talked about) yet i understand them perfectly.

what are the odds. you'd never believe me because i suck at explaining shit LOL:smile: :frown:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599641 - 06/12/11 06:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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what are the odds. you'd never believe me because i suck at explaining shit LOL:) :frown:


Work on it. :thumbup:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599659 - 06/12/11 06:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you are right hate and love are too complex and variegated to be opposites, however
if you deconstruct all those complex things to basic attraction and avoidance
the polarity is clear.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #14601027 - 06/12/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Icelander]
    #14601080 - 06/12/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think that the strongest kind ( I do believe there are categories)of fear:


is fear of the unknown


One of my favorite authors, H.P. Lovecraft ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft )
made this central to allot of his  terrifying short stories.

When I think about the most terrifying occurrences in my life, they seem to be rooted deeply in this.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14602026 - 06/12/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that the strongest kind ( I do believe there are categories)of fear:


is fear of the unknown


One of my favorite authors, H.P. Lovecraft ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft )
made this central to allot of his  terrifying short stories.

When I think about the most terrifying occurrences in my life, they seem to be rooted deeply in this.



agreed. thanks for mentioning that:)
i would also like to add

the fear of nothingness,emptiness

hence fear of having no love- etc.

http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/fear-emptiness
http://www.oshoquotes.net/2009/12/osho-quotes-on-emptiness-nothingness-emptiness-shunyata/


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14602903 - 06/12/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I will agree that hate is a complex subject, so I will withdraw my comment on hate/fear being synonymous.

Edit: In saying that, I will say that it's worth some more thought. I am undecided. I am having trouble comming up with a scenario in which the hate was in response to something other than fear. Can anyone help me out?


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14603023 - 06/12/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I can't either.  I think I agree with you. In fact I know I do.

Edited by Icelander (06/12/11 08:49 PM)

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: deCypher]
    #14603523 - 06/12/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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LOL I love that.  It's one of the few philosophical type things in donnie darko where the writer/director and I fundamentally disagree.

Except I would simply have Fear on the one side and No Fear on the other instead of love.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14603527 - 06/12/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Edit: In saying that, I will say that it's worth some more thought. I am undecided. I am having trouble coming up with a scenario in which the hate was in response to something other than fear. Can anyone help me out?




I find it impossible to come up with any emotional response that isn't related to fear or the absence of it.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Cups]
    #14603571 - 06/12/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Except I would simply have Fear on the one side and No Fear on the other instead of love.




Is having no fear whatsoever preferable though?  Seems to me that being afraid of pain and death keeps me away from situations where I might experience these, thereby boosting my overall happiness.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: deCypher]
    #14603608 - 06/12/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah but if you aren't scared of them then even if they happen is wouldn't diminish the happiness.  Kind of like how the breath I just took didn't change my mood.  Later I plan on brushing my teeth with a similar lack of effect.

That's very simplistic but true IMO.


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