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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599378 - 06/12/11 03:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, then you provided a list of opposites, followed by two examples of things that aren't opposites, followed by one example of things that are opposites. You should've clearly stated which ones you believed weren't right, and what your point of mentioning all this is.

So what if some people incorrectly believe something to be the opposite of something else? WTF is your point? How does this at all back up your assertion that hate is not the opposite of love, and that fear is the opposite of love?


See why I feel like you're just rambling?


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599380 - 06/12/11 03:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"there is a lot of discussion about 'opposites' and many times they aren't always right.."


Not to mention this sentence doesn't even make any sense ("many times they aren't always right"?), but yeah, I let that slide.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14599385 - 06/12/11 03:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Hate is a particular form of fear. Hate is a sub-category of fear. If you disagree, provide an example. Let's examine.


I disagree..why don't you back up your claim instead of asking him to disprove yours? Burden of proof is on you.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14599387 - 06/12/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No, we're not going to agree to disagree, we're going to argue about it.:tongue:

Hate is a particular form of fear. Hate is a sub-category of fear. If you disagree, provide an example. Let's examine.



ok.

well i've mentioned before, but one can live in love but still be hateful. for example.. "living in love" by seeing divine in everything and all.. okay let's say during this 'high' you see someone being hateful (let's have an example to be on the internet).. conversation goes like this:

"Noob117: Noob410, you must be gay because yo momma played your father"
"Noob410: You must be gay because you're the one viewing my profile! GAY!"
..and on and on and on.. etc etc

i do think one can 'overdo' the hate and get too carried away.. thus leading to a fear-based mindset.. and it's important not to give it too much energy.
but i did not see any fear in that example.. but it was 'hate' towards each other. they weren't giving too much energy to it, however, because their comebacks were lame and humorous. (which is a reason why i see 'hate'.. done correctly.. as entertainment.)

think about it, please.

thanks for reply, man :smile:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599389 - 06/12/11 03:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

^ this is also to give a different perspective than how most people view 'hate'.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599399 - 06/12/11 03:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

People just start to hate the things what they fear if they don't find another solution of solving their inner discrepancy. Fear is aversion. Love is 'coming together'. The primal reflex for aversion is to run away. If one can't run away (or can't fight the cause of the fear), one's fear will turn into hate.
Fear turning into hate can be avoided by exploring the reasons for that aversion ('coming together'), then changing either the source or oneself, or successful avoidance altogether (while this is no final solution).


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599409 - 06/12/11 03:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Any particular hate is an expression of anxieity, which is rooted in fear.

I hate stupidity. It's scary. Your turn.

Not that burden of proof is on me, I'm the one responding to the statement. It should be backed up.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #14599412 - 06/12/11 03:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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People just start to hate the things what they fear if they don't find another solution of solving their inner discrepancy. Fear is aversion. Love is 'coming together'. The primal reflex for aversion is to run away. If one can't run away (or can't fight the cause of the fear), one's fear will turn into hate.
Fear turning into hate can be avoided by exploring the reasons for that aversion ('coming together'), then changing either the source or oneself, or successful avoidance altogether (while this is no final solution).



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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14599418 - 06/12/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Any particular hate is an expression of anxieity...


Mind substantiating this claim? I don't think it's necessarily true.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599430 - 06/12/11 04:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well yea, comedy is good, but there is the thought that by making fun of fear it's not fear... That's wrong. Humor is awesome, but tension is still tension. If there is no actual hate, there is no fear.

Comedy can represent various mindsets. There are good, bad, better and worse ways of handling situations, but to pretend that any particular response isn't fearful because it was 'handled well' can be just another cover for fear. That's why hate is a form of fear, and not the other way around. Fear is common. Hate is again, a 'sub-category' of fear. Hate is one of many ways of handling our 'tensions'.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14599442 - 06/12/11 04:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Comedy can represent various mindsets. There are good, bad, better and worse ways of handling situations, but to pretend that any particular response isn't fearful because it was 'handled well' can be just another cover for fear. That's why hate is a form of fear, and not the other way around.


You've only explained how one example of hatred is a form of fear, you haven't established that all forms of hatred are necessarily forms of fear.


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Hate is one of many ways of handling our 'tensions'.


I don't think this is necessarily true..hatred is an extreme form of dislike, I don't think disliking is a way to handle our tensions. We are born with certain preferences, I don't think that preferences are a form of tension..hatred, or extreme dislike, is just a reaction to not having our preferences met. It may cause tension, but isn't rooted in tension..it's rooted in preferences, which, again, aren't a form of tension.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14599443 - 06/12/11 04:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well yea, comedy is good, but there is the thought that by making fun of fear it's not fear... That's wrong. Humor is awesome, but tension is still tension. If there is no actual hate, there is no fear.

Comedy can represent various mindsets. There are good, bad, better and worse ways of handling situations, but to pretend that any particular response isn't fearful because it was 'handled well' can be just another cover for fear. That's why hate is a form of fear, and not the other way around. Fear is common. Hate is again, a 'sub-category' of fear. Hate is one of many ways of handling our 'tensions'.




the example wasn't completely revolved around comedy.. :wink:


it's all perspective. it's all how you look at it.
look at the world in love, you will see some hate. i guarantee you. if you look at the world in fear, you will also see hate..but a completely different form of hate.. it's hard to explain, and truly is something that needs to be experienced first. either way, it is something that is manifested (or attracted to you) no matter how positive you are. now why is that? it is because hate is not the opposite of love. it is love standing upside down. fear is the true opposite of love.

i speak from experience. not trying to prove anything.

i don't know how to be more clear than i have been so far..


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599453 - 06/12/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well yea, comedy is good, but there is the thought that by making fun of fear it's not fear... That's wrong. Humor is awesome, but tension is still tension. If there is no actual hate, there is no fear.

Comedy can represent various mindsets. There are good, bad, better and worse ways of handling situations, but to pretend that any particular response isn't fearful because it was 'handled well' can be just another cover for fear. That's why hate is a form of fear, and not the other way around. Fear is common. Hate is again, a 'sub-category' of fear. Hate is one of many ways of handling our 'tensions'.




the example wasn't completely revolved around comedy.. :wink:


it's all perspective. it's all how you look at it.
look at the world in love, you will see some hate. i guarantee you. if you look at the world in fear, you will also see hate..but a completely different form of hate.. it's hard to explain, and truly is something that needs to be experienced first. either way, it is something that is manifested (or attracted to you) no matter how positive you are. now why is that? it is because hate is not the opposite of love.


You made giant leaps of logic here, buddy..how on Earth does it follow that, since hate is manifested (or attracted to you) if you "look at the world in fear", this means that hate is not the opposite of love?

What does "looking at the world in love"/"looking at the world in fear" have to do with whether or not love is the opposite of hate? Love is the opposite of hate, regardless of whether or not people "look at the world in love" or "look at the world in fear"..how people look at the world doesn't affect the fact that love is the opposite of hate in any way.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599504 - 06/12/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

poid, if you don't understand or even acknowledge the big picture but would rather spend your time deciphering individual sections, i don't know what to tell you. you choose to grab at whatever you can that i say and use it against me. i really would wish you left this thread, as this thread seems to be completely going against your thinking, but that does not mean you should be this obnoxious against my point and create bigger distractions than necessary throughout this thread. your mind is fixed, and after all you seem to have no interest in a perspective that is not your own. you should grow up, as i do not like having to explain each and every sentence to you. i'm done reading or responding to your posts, yet i expected better from a guy on a shroomery:mushroom2: forum. i'll add that i am speaking from experience, and not trying to prove anything but still you are trying to disprove me. i have read your ratings, and am sure i am not the only one to think this. please stop.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599511 - 06/12/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i'll add that i am speaking from experience, and not trying to prove anything but still you are trying to disprove me.


Then why are you posting this in this forum? Did you not read the rules/forum description?



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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.



If you don't want to debate here, then just GTFO. :shrug:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599512 - 06/12/11 05:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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poid, if you don't understand or even acknowledge the big picture but would rather spend your time deciphering individual sections, i don't know what to tell you. you choose to grab at whatever you can that i say and use it against me. i really would wish you left this thread, as this thread seems to be completely going against your thinking, but that does not mean you should be this obnoxious against my point and create bigger distractions than necessary throughout this thread. your mind is fixed, and after all you seem to have no interest in a perspective that is not your own. you should grow up, as i do not like having to explain each and every sentence to you. i'm done reading or responding to your posts, yet i expected better from a guy on a shroomery:mushroom2: forum. i'll add that i am speaking from experience, and not trying to prove anything but still you are trying to disprove me. i have read your ratings, and am sure i am not the only one to think this. please stop.




Wrong forum little dude.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599520 - 06/12/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i have said everything i have to say to show hate is not the opposite of love. you request unnecessary additional explaining on top of it all.

i ask you re read it, and focus more on the big picture of it all


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599526 - 06/12/11 05:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not going to accept your own personal definitions of the terms 'love', 'hate', and 'fear'..I've already provided evidence from a current thesaurus which shows that love is in fact the opposite of hate, and that fear is not the opposite of love.

This stupid thread should've been over after my first post. :shrug2:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599536 - 06/12/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not going to accept your own personal definitions of the terms 'love', 'hate', and 'fear'..I've already provided evidence from a current thesaurus which shows that love is in fact the opposite of hate, and that fear is not the opposite of love.

This stupid thread should've been over after my first post. :shrug2:



i have not made this clear, and should have.
but i am not making 'personal definitions'. i was not talking about the dictionary. i was talking about the thesaurus or an "opposite dictionary"

and yes your post from the very beginning and up to this one show how much you welcome new members.:smirk:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599547 - 06/12/11 05:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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and yes your post from the very beginning and up to this one show how much you welcome new members.:smirk:


So you're saying that disagreeing with new members is inappropriate? The way I treat members is not influenced by their registration date or post count, it's influenced by the content of their posts.


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