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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598599 - 06/11/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I like to trip hard but I don't see myself ever tripping out, I see having to many bad trips or letting the psychedelic experience get to your head will really fuck your mental state over though.




Problem is, if you don't let it get to your head then nothing ever changes.  :strokebeard:

At that point is purely recreational which is fine  if that's your goal...but most newbies harp the mind expansion aspect and few can handle it or want to once they get a taste.

I definitely was the typical newbie...then I got a taste...but I've got this sickness you see.  A sickness of the soul which I feel compelled to chase down and kick in the balls.  :mushroom2:




I rarely do them for recreation, maybe my first times trying psyches were they recreational. I use them for spiritual aspects. I just don't let the craziness(the delusions) go to my head unless they are an anology for something thats meaningful. but I focus on the spirituality of the experience. Kinda what I was meaning. dunno if thats makes sense

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Harri]
    #14598628 - 06/11/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure if i like what I said, I use psychedelics for fun, meditation, and learning about myself on lots of levels. It's a very simple and profound way to analyze my life and work through things. Also realizing how unfathomably awesome it is to be alive and existing in this beautiful universe.
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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Harri]
    #14598784 - 06/12/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's cool man.  :smile:

My first 2 dozen or so trips were like that.  But-

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Also realizing how unfathomably awesome it is to be alive and existing in this beautiful universe.




There is a flip side to that coin.  And IMO to understand yourself requires exploring that darkness.  That part of your mind is at least as big...and to be frank IME exponentially more vast than the happy happy joy joy side.

You may never find it.  I went looking for it on purpose in a way.  :facepalm3:  Once you open that door you can't close it until you can close it if you follow me.

Anyway, sounds like you're having a good time and that's :thumbup: in my book.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598812 - 06/12/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Life can be sorta scary. :omgz:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598822 - 06/12/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's cool man.  :smile:

My first 2 dozen or so trips were like that.  But-

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Also realizing how unfathomably awesome it is to be alive and existing in this beautiful universe.




There is a flip side to that coin.  And IMO to understand yourself requires exploring that darkness.  That part of your mind is at least as big...and to be frank IME exponentially more vast than the happy happy joy joy side.

You may never find it.  I went looking for it on purpose in a way.  :facepalm3:  Once you open that door you can't close it until you can close it if you follow me.

Anyway, sounds like you're having a good time and that's :thumbup: in my book.




:grin: Not so much the case, I just got to this point, the past few years have been mental torment along with terrible anxiety, I think it's from to many bad high acid/shroom trips. just in the past few months with the use of dmt and 1 high dose solo lsd trip I've been loving everyday.

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598878 - 06/12/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And IMO to understand yourself requires exploring that darkness.




I think that's why I'm so content  with my life now, in the darkness you are isolated/depressed/crazy maybe? which is such a good place/way to strengthen your mind and learn about yourself. :shrug:

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Harri]
    #14598931 - 06/12/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I fucking hate the darkness. :bored:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598934 - 06/12/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I fucking hate the darkness. :bored:



Then turn on the lights :sunny:

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14599055 - 06/12/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would think humanity hit a new high. If psychedelics were mainstream, that would mean nobody was really worried about who was trying to cut their throat. Nobody was worrying about who took who's bitch. Nobody was worrying about which ear of corn was picked by who, and who was in who's field.

It would all be easy sailing. But psychedelics isn't mainstream. Never will be. There's a reason for this. Because it doesn't involve capitalization and death. It doesn't involve practicing to kill. It doesn't involve the resource to vanquish you for my profit. It's a past time experience. It's a luxury. It's unreal. How does it feel for you to do something that exists within the vacuum on someone's power? It's a bubble we ask these questions in.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Rahz]
    #14599071 - 06/12/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Rahz said:It's a luxury. It's unreal. How does it feel for you to do something that exists within the vacuum on someone's power? It's a bubble we ask these questions in.




:thumbup::thumbup:
If I'm in a real live/death survival situation, I'm not going to have much of a desire to "trip balls" until I'm safe.  The same policemen who would lock me up are also the ones who keep my neighborhood safe so I can gobble some drugs and not have to worry about getting shot while I'm fucking curled up tripping on the carpet.

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14599590 - 06/12/11 05:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.  And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?  If mushrooms were legalized, for instance, they would gain publicity, more people would know about them, and more people would be willing to try them.  And I know what you're thinking - Salvia isn't like that.  Datura isn't like that.  But these drugs aren't as well known as others like mushrooms and LSD.  And since these haven't been in the spotlight of federal politics yet they haven't gained any publicity and won't until they are banned (which knowing our government and society, is bound to happen eventually.)

In short, I definitely don't want drugs banned, but I'm also afraid that if they are, they will become more mainstream and people will just casually use it like they do alcohol.  I'm afraid more people might try psychedelics to "get fucked up" then to actually gain any insight from it or use it in a more dignified manner.  I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.

What do you think?





You sound like a control freak is what I think.:satansmoking:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Rahz]
    #14599820 - 06/12/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I would think humanity hit a new high. If psychedelics were mainstream, that would mean nobody was really worried about who was trying to cut their throat. Nobody was worrying about who took who's bitch. Nobody was worrying about which ear of corn was picked by who, and who was in who's field.
It would all be easy sailing.



Not everyone has that revelation/mindset all of a sudden from taking psychedelics.

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Rahz said: But psychedelics isn't mainstream. Never will be..



Never say never!:cool:

What is with all the absolutes?

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Rahz]
    #14600075 - 06/12/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.  And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?  If mushrooms were legalized, for instance, they would gain publicity, more people would know about them, and more people would be willing to try them.  And I know what you're thinking - Salvia isn't like that.  Datura isn't like that.  But these drugs aren't as well known as others like mushrooms and LSD.  And since these haven't been in the spotlight of federal politics yet they haven't gained any publicity and won't until they are banned (which knowing our government and society, is bound to happen eventually.)

In short, I definitely don't want drugs banned, but I'm also afraid that if they are, they will become more mainstream and people will just casually use it like they do alcohol.  I'm afraid more people might try psychedelics to "get fucked up" then to actually gain any insight from it or use it in a more dignified manner.  I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.

What do you think?





You sound like a control freak is what I think.:satansmoking:




How do I sound like a control freak for thinking certain people aren't cut out for psychedelics?  I don't want to stop them from using psychedelics, but that doesn't mean I can't form my own opinions on their usage.  This is a completely hands-off-of-their-life opinion.

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I would think humanity hit a new high. If psychedelics were mainstream, that would mean nobody was really worried about who was trying to cut their throat. Nobody was worrying about who took who's bitch. Nobody was worrying about which ear of corn was picked by who, and who was in who's field.

It would all be easy sailing. But psychedelics isn't mainstream. Never will be. There's a reason for this. Because it doesn't involve capitalization and death. It doesn't involve practicing to kill. It doesn't involve the resource to vanquish you for my profit. It's a past time experience. It's a luxury. It's unreal. How does it feel for you to do something that exists within the vacuum on someone's power? It's a bubble we ask these questions in.




I agree with sporophight.  Many people don't gain spiritual insight with psychedelics.  A lot of people I know are open to try mushrooms, for instance, just to "get fucked up."  And these people aren't really any different from the average droll citizen.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14600372 - 06/12/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?

No I don't think.  It's really none of our business what others do with their bodies.  Maybe I over stated the control freak thingy but that's the attitude that leads to that kind of legislation. It's really just a small step into the voting booth and then to laws for restricting.

Many people vilify Tim Leary on the grounds that some people shouldn't use these substances and that they should be by doctor or psychologists control only. What they don't realize is that they would never likely get to try them and would be giving up their personal rights to make decisions and accept consequences.


I agree with sporophight.  Many people don't gain spiritual insight with psychedelics.  A lot of people I know are open to try mushrooms, for instance, just to "get fucked up."  And these people aren't really any different from the average droll citizen.


Says you. So what if people want to use them for entertainment. What makes so called spiritual insight better? How about you sound egotistical and all superior instead of control freaky? :lol: You, and I, from what I can see here are average droll citizens.  We just like to think we're fundamentally different.

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14600411 - 06/12/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?

No I don't think.  It's really none of our business what others do with their bodies.  Maybe I over stated the control freak thingy but that's the attitude that leads to that kind of legislation. It's really just a small step into the voting booth and then to laws for restricting.

Many people vilify Tim Leary on the grounds that some people shouldn't use these substances and that they should be by doctor or psychologists control only. What they don't realize is that they would never likely get to try them and would be giving up their personal rights to make decisions and accept consequences.


I agree with sporophight.  Many people don't gain spiritual insight with psychedelics.  A lot of people I know are open to try mushrooms, for instance, just to "get fucked up."  And these people aren't really any different from the average droll citizen.


Says you. So what if people want to use them for entertainment. What makes so called spiritual insight better? How about you sound egotistical and all superior instead of control freaky? :lol: You, and I, from what I can see here are average droll citizens.  We just like to think we're fundamentally different.




I don't think I'm any different than the average citizen.  I am pretty droll.  And I guess I did come off as seeming kind of patronizing.  And I use psychedelics recreationally too.  But all technicalities you aside you know what I mean when certain people use psychedelics in a dumb way.  People taking mushrooms, then acting like they're drunk.  I don't care whether or not or why people use drugs, I just won't like seeing psychedelics like mushrooms and LSD becoming the new alcohol to college frat parties.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14600534 - 06/12/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't like a lot of things that are none of my business. :shrug:

I don't like most of what I see us humans doing. :lol:

Alcohol is way too popular to ever be replaced with psychedelics.  People want to dull out and blank out and lose inhibitions.  Alcohol is the drug of choice and I'm guessing the govt likes it that way.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14601256 - 06/12/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Alcohol is way too popular to ever be replaced with psychedelics.  People want to dull out and blank out and lose inhibitions.  Alcohol is the drug of choice and I'm guessing the govt likes it that way.




I guess, I certainly hope so.  I don't understand where people are getting this misconception that I'm a control freak who doesn't mind his own business from.  That's like saying because someone doesn't like my comment, they want to take away freedom of speech.  Noone ever said they wanted to take away freedom of speech, they just didn't like my comment.  This is stupid, you are allowed to form opinions on what other people do, just because you can't LEGALLY force them to do or not to do something doesn't mean you can't actually form a thought about it.  What tools the people are who think otherwise.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14601295 - 06/12/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You seem to have strong opinions on others but that's ok. You call them tools and such, so buck up and take your licks like a man. 

In other words, quit whining.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14601376 - 06/12/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You seem to have strong opinions on others but that's ok. You call them tools and such, so buck up and take your licks like a man. 

In other words, quit whining.




It's not like I'm crying over it, but I'm simply making a point.  There's a reason this is in the Philosophy, Sociology, and Psychology section and not in Politics.  I'm not trying to justify Prohibition, I'm just making a point.  And I think you as well as many other people on here are being hypocrites.  If me forming opinions on others' drug use is being too judgmental, then so is there reaction to this question.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14601391 - 06/12/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If me forming opinions on others' drug use is being too judgmental, then so is there reaction to this question.


I personally don't think you're being too judgmental, I just think your judgment on this issue is fucking stupid. :shrug:


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