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What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream?
    #14598104 - 06/11/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.  And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?  If mushrooms were legalized, for instance, they would gain publicity, more people would know about them, and more people would be willing to try them.  And I know what you're thinking - Salvia isn't like that.  Datura isn't like that.  But these drugs aren't as well known as others like mushrooms and LSD.  And since these haven't been in the spotlight of federal politics yet they haven't gained any publicity and won't until they are banned (which knowing our government and society, is bound to happen eventually.)

In short, I definitely don't want drugs banned, but I'm also afraid that if they are, they will become more mainstream and people will just casually use it like they do alcohol.  I'm afraid more people might try psychedelics to "get fucked up" then to actually gain any insight from it or use it in a more dignified manner.  I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.

What do you think?


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14598153 - 06/11/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Celestial Traveler said:
Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.


Why wouldn't you like it? What business is it of yours if other people decide to use drugs? Why do you even give a fuck?


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I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.


Why?


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What do you think?


I think it's buttfucking retarded that you actually give so much of a shit about how people decide to use their drugs.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598192 - 06/11/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What do you think?


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I think it's buttfucking retarded that you actually give so much of a shit about how people decide to use their drugs.




Poid, in this forum it is OK to say what you really think.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598202 - 06/11/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.


Why wouldn't you like it? What business is it of yours if other people decide to use drugs? Why do you even give a fuck?


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I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.


Why?


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What do you think?


I think it's buttfucking retarded that you actually give so much of a shit about how people decide to use their drugs.




I think it's buttfucking retarded that you're being such a stuck-up ass over how I view other peoples' drug use.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14598211 - 06/11/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's buttfucking retarded that you think it's buttfucking retarded that I'm being such a stuck-up ass over how you view other people's drug use.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598229 - 06/11/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes yes :strokebeard:

But can we all agree that butt fucking is not in and of itself retarded?

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598231 - 06/11/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it's buttfucking retarded that you think it's buttfucking retarded that I'm being such a stuck-up ass over how you view other people's drug use.




I don't really give a shit.  It was a tad annoying at first read, but I don't really care.  I used to be a lot like you when I was younger (and I'm not even that old)when I thought I could sound REALLY, REALLY, over-the-top angry at NOTHING and appear wiser and more intelligent as a result.

You want to burst an artery over such a tiny, insignificant matter, go ahead.  Please.

From now on you are ignored.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14598242 - 06/11/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes yes :strokebeard:

But can we all agree that butt fucking is not in and of itself retarded?

Cups = Voice of Reason in Insane World


Yeah, buttfucking definitely has its perks. :thumbup:



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From now on you are ignored.


:hehehe:

And I thought I was overly sensitive.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14598251 - 06/11/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well, since you can still see me let me assure you he doesn't care. :rofl2:

To answer your original post it wouldn't concern me.  It'd be just like it is now.  Out of 100% of user maybe a few percentage points do the work....or are able to do the work is perhaps more accurate.  :shrug:

At any rate, I'm not sure there is a dignified manner in which to use salvia. :lol:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598259 - 06/11/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, since you can still see me let me assure you he doesn't care. :rofl2:

To answer your original post it wouldn't concern me.  It'd be just like it is now.  Out of 100% of user maybe a few percentage points do the work....or are able to do the work is perhaps more accurate.  :shrug:

At any rate, I'm not sure there is a dignified manner in which to use salvia. :lol:




I can still see what he's saying I'm just not going to reply to him, not worth my time.  And what do you mean "Out of 100% of user maybe a few percentage points"


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598261 - 06/11/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, since you can still see me let me assure you he doesn't care. :rofl2:


I was just totally fucking around, and he took it majorly seriously..I totally fucked up his mood, it's hilarious.

:pimphat:
  :lol:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14598385 - 06/11/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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And what do you mean "Out of 100% of user maybe a few percentage points"




Just based on my observations.  As an old timer once hinted at to me-

"If the drugs work so well...then where are all the older members?"

Why isn't the shroomery full of thousands of enlightened dudes in their 30s instead of thousands of tripped out kids 18-24 and a few older guys who've stood the test of time?

Just something to think about.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598390 - 06/11/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't get it!  Is this really the OTD? :spank:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598425 - 06/11/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't get it!  Is this really the OTD? :spank:



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:pimphat:
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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598446 - 06/11/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I was just totally fucking around, and he took it majorly seriously..I totally fucked up his mood, it's hilarious.

:pimphat:
  :lol:




You know how sometimes when someone wants to talk to you they will stand around looking busy shuffling papers or something and then as soon as you walk by the look up and pretend like they just saw you?  "Oh hey there!"

:zomgwtf:

As I've said I run a lawn care business and earlier this week I had a lady who desperately wanted to update me on the status of her ill mothers health.  I saw her on the back porch looking up at the ceiling like an idiot and then glancing at me repeat etc.  So, to fuck with her I kept bringing my mower close and slowing it down like I was about to stop and open the gate.

5 fucking time I got her to turn around before I slammed the throttle and whipped a u-turn.
:rofl2:

Later on in the day I told the story to my brother and the pure excellence of what I had done hit me like a ton of bricks...I had a legitimate cheese moment. :grin:  Almost passed out from a lack of oxygen. :lol:

Then I felt a little ashamed of myself for manipulating a poor old lady.  :nonono:

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598484 - 06/11/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I was just totally fucking around, and he took it majorly seriously..I totally fucked up his mood, it's hilarious.

:pimphat:
  :lol:




You know how sometimes when someone wants to talk to you they will stand around looking busy shuffling papers or something and then as soon as you walk by the look up and pretend like they just saw you?  "Oh hey there!"

:zomgwtf:


:rofl2:, yeah. :thumbup:


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As I've said I run a lawn care business...


You're a beaner? :ooo:

:mexican:


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Then I felt a little ashamed of myself for manipulating a poor old lady.  :nonono:

:smile:


Poor old ladies are off-limits. :nono:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598507 - 06/11/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Just based on my observations.  As an old timer once hinted at to me-

"If the drugs work so well...then where are all the older members?"

Why isn't the shroomery full of thousands of enlightened dudes in their 30s instead of thousands of tripped out kids 18-24 and a few older guys who've stood the test of time?

Just something to think about.




I like to trip hard but I don't see myself ever tripping out, I see having to many bad trips or letting the psychedelic experience get to your head will really fuck your mental state over though.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598522 - 06/11/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You're a beaner?




Nah, Mick w/red beard and all.  All the good psychedelic guys are Irish man!  :thumbup:  It's in the DNA or something.


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Poid said:Poor old ladies are off-limits. :nono:




No one is off limits when I need a laugh.  Especially not someone who spends 10 minutes a week talking to me about the same shit over and over and over again. :lol:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Harri]
    #14598541 - 06/11/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I like to trip hard but I don't see myself ever tripping out, I see having to many bad trips or letting the psychedelic experience get to your head will really fuck your mental state over though.




Problem is, if you don't let it get to your head then nothing ever changes.  :strokebeard:

At that point is purely recreational which is fine  if that's your goal...but most newbies harp the mind expansion aspect and few can handle it or want to once they get a taste.

I definitely was the typical newbie...then I got a taste...but I've got this sickness you see.  A sickness of the soul which I feel compelled to chase down and kick in the balls.  :mushroom2:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598547 - 06/11/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Poid said:Poor old ladies are off-limits. :nono:




No one is off limits when I need a laugh.  Especially not someone who spends 10 minutes a week talking to me about the same shit over and over and over again. :lol:


That's the spirit! :lol::thumbup:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598599 - 06/11/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I like to trip hard but I don't see myself ever tripping out, I see having to many bad trips or letting the psychedelic experience get to your head will really fuck your mental state over though.




Problem is, if you don't let it get to your head then nothing ever changes.  :strokebeard:

At that point is purely recreational which is fine  if that's your goal...but most newbies harp the mind expansion aspect and few can handle it or want to once they get a taste.

I definitely was the typical newbie...then I got a taste...but I've got this sickness you see.  A sickness of the soul which I feel compelled to chase down and kick in the balls.  :mushroom2:




I rarely do them for recreation, maybe my first times trying psyches were they recreational. I use them for spiritual aspects. I just don't let the craziness(the delusions) go to my head unless they are an anology for something thats meaningful. but I focus on the spirituality of the experience. Kinda what I was meaning. dunno if thats makes sense


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Harri]
    #14598628 - 06/11/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure if i like what I said, I use psychedelics for fun, meditation, and learning about myself on lots of levels. It's a very simple and profound way to analyze my life and work through things. Also realizing how unfathomably awesome it is to be alive and existing in this beautiful universe.
:sunny:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Harri]
    #14598784 - 06/12/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That's cool man.  :smile:

My first 2 dozen or so trips were like that.  But-

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Also realizing how unfathomably awesome it is to be alive and existing in this beautiful universe.




There is a flip side to that coin.  And IMO to understand yourself requires exploring that darkness.  That part of your mind is at least as big...and to be frank IME exponentially more vast than the happy happy joy joy side.

You may never find it.  I went looking for it on purpose in a way.  :facepalm3:  Once you open that door you can't close it until you can close it if you follow me.

Anyway, sounds like you're having a good time and that's :thumbup: in my book.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598812 - 06/12/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Life can be sorta scary. :omgz:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598822 - 06/12/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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That's cool man.  :smile:

My first 2 dozen or so trips were like that.  But-

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Also realizing how unfathomably awesome it is to be alive and existing in this beautiful universe.




There is a flip side to that coin.  And IMO to understand yourself requires exploring that darkness.  That part of your mind is at least as big...and to be frank IME exponentially more vast than the happy happy joy joy side.

You may never find it.  I went looking for it on purpose in a way.  :facepalm3:  Once you open that door you can't close it until you can close it if you follow me.

Anyway, sounds like you're having a good time and that's :thumbup: in my book.




:grin: Not so much the case, I just got to this point, the past few years have been mental torment along with terrible anxiety, I think it's from to many bad high acid/shroom trips. just in the past few months with the use of dmt and 1 high dose solo lsd trip I've been loving everyday.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14598878 - 06/12/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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And IMO to understand yourself requires exploring that darkness.




I think that's why I'm so content  with my life now, in the darkness you are isolated/depressed/crazy maybe? which is such a good place/way to strengthen your mind and learn about yourself. :shrug:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Harri]
    #14598931 - 06/12/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I fucking hate the darkness. :bored:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14598934 - 06/12/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I fucking hate the darkness. :bored:



Then turn on the lights :sunny:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14599055 - 06/12/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I would think humanity hit a new high. If psychedelics were mainstream, that would mean nobody was really worried about who was trying to cut their throat. Nobody was worrying about who took who's bitch. Nobody was worrying about which ear of corn was picked by who, and who was in who's field.

It would all be easy sailing. But psychedelics isn't mainstream. Never will be. There's a reason for this. Because it doesn't involve capitalization and death. It doesn't involve practicing to kill. It doesn't involve the resource to vanquish you for my profit. It's a past time experience. It's a luxury. It's unreal. How does it feel for you to do something that exists within the vacuum on someone's power? It's a bubble we ask these questions in.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Rahz]
    #14599071 - 06/12/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Rahz said:It's a luxury. It's unreal. How does it feel for you to do something that exists within the vacuum on someone's power? It's a bubble we ask these questions in.




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If I'm in a real live/death survival situation, I'm not going to have much of a desire to "trip balls" until I'm safe.  The same policemen who would lock me up are also the ones who keep my neighborhood safe so I can gobble some drugs and not have to worry about getting shot while I'm fucking curled up tripping on the carpet.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14599590 - 06/12/11 05:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.  And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?  If mushrooms were legalized, for instance, they would gain publicity, more people would know about them, and more people would be willing to try them.  And I know what you're thinking - Salvia isn't like that.  Datura isn't like that.  But these drugs aren't as well known as others like mushrooms and LSD.  And since these haven't been in the spotlight of federal politics yet they haven't gained any publicity and won't until they are banned (which knowing our government and society, is bound to happen eventually.)

In short, I definitely don't want drugs banned, but I'm also afraid that if they are, they will become more mainstream and people will just casually use it like they do alcohol.  I'm afraid more people might try psychedelics to "get fucked up" then to actually gain any insight from it or use it in a more dignified manner.  I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.

What do you think?





You sound like a control freak is what I think.:satansmoking:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Rahz]
    #14599820 - 06/12/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I would think humanity hit a new high. If psychedelics were mainstream, that would mean nobody was really worried about who was trying to cut their throat. Nobody was worrying about who took who's bitch. Nobody was worrying about which ear of corn was picked by who, and who was in who's field.
It would all be easy sailing.



Not everyone has that revelation/mindset all of a sudden from taking psychedelics.

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Rahz]
    #14600075 - 06/12/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.  And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?  If mushrooms were legalized, for instance, they would gain publicity, more people would know about them, and more people would be willing to try them.  And I know what you're thinking - Salvia isn't like that.  Datura isn't like that.  But these drugs aren't as well known as others like mushrooms and LSD.  And since these haven't been in the spotlight of federal politics yet they haven't gained any publicity and won't until they are banned (which knowing our government and society, is bound to happen eventually.)

In short, I definitely don't want drugs banned, but I'm also afraid that if they are, they will become more mainstream and people will just casually use it like they do alcohol.  I'm afraid more people might try psychedelics to "get fucked up" then to actually gain any insight from it or use it in a more dignified manner.  I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.

What do you think?





You sound like a control freak is what I think.:satansmoking:




How do I sound like a control freak for thinking certain people aren't cut out for psychedelics?  I don't want to stop them from using psychedelics, but that doesn't mean I can't form my own opinions on their usage.  This is a completely hands-off-of-their-life opinion.

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I would think humanity hit a new high. If psychedelics were mainstream, that would mean nobody was really worried about who was trying to cut their throat. Nobody was worrying about who took who's bitch. Nobody was worrying about which ear of corn was picked by who, and who was in who's field.

It would all be easy sailing. But psychedelics isn't mainstream. Never will be. There's a reason for this. Because it doesn't involve capitalization and death. It doesn't involve practicing to kill. It doesn't involve the resource to vanquish you for my profit. It's a past time experience. It's a luxury. It's unreal. How does it feel for you to do something that exists within the vacuum on someone's power? It's a bubble we ask these questions in.




I agree with sporophight.  Many people don't gain spiritual insight with psychedelics.  A lot of people I know are open to try mushrooms, for instance, just to "get fucked up."  And these people aren't really any different from the average droll citizen.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14600372 - 06/12/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?

No I don't think.  It's really none of our business what others do with their bodies.  Maybe I over stated the control freak thingy but that's the attitude that leads to that kind of legislation. It's really just a small step into the voting booth and then to laws for restricting.

Many people vilify Tim Leary on the grounds that some people shouldn't use these substances and that they should be by doctor or psychologists control only. What they don't realize is that they would never likely get to try them and would be giving up their personal rights to make decisions and accept consequences.


I agree with sporophight.  Many people don't gain spiritual insight with psychedelics.  A lot of people I know are open to try mushrooms, for instance, just to "get fucked up."  And these people aren't really any different from the average droll citizen.


Says you. So what if people want to use them for entertainment. What makes so called spiritual insight better? How about you sound egotistical and all superior instead of control freaky? :lol: You, and I, from what I can see here are average droll citizens.  We just like to think we're fundamentally different.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14600411 - 06/12/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?

No I don't think.  It's really none of our business what others do with their bodies.  Maybe I over stated the control freak thingy but that's the attitude that leads to that kind of legislation. It's really just a small step into the voting booth and then to laws for restricting.

Many people vilify Tim Leary on the grounds that some people shouldn't use these substances and that they should be by doctor or psychologists control only. What they don't realize is that they would never likely get to try them and would be giving up their personal rights to make decisions and accept consequences.


I agree with sporophight.  Many people don't gain spiritual insight with psychedelics.  A lot of people I know are open to try mushrooms, for instance, just to "get fucked up."  And these people aren't really any different from the average droll citizen.


Says you. So what if people want to use them for entertainment. What makes so called spiritual insight better? How about you sound egotistical and all superior instead of control freaky? :lol: You, and I, from what I can see here are average droll citizens.  We just like to think we're fundamentally different.




I don't think I'm any different than the average citizen.  I am pretty droll.  And I guess I did come off as seeming kind of patronizing.  And I use psychedelics recreationally too.  But all technicalities you aside you know what I mean when certain people use psychedelics in a dumb way.  People taking mushrooms, then acting like they're drunk.  I don't care whether or not or why people use drugs, I just won't like seeing psychedelics like mushrooms and LSD becoming the new alcohol to college frat parties.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14600534 - 06/12/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't like a lot of things that are none of my business. :shrug:

I don't like most of what I see us humans doing. :lol:

Alcohol is way too popular to ever be replaced with psychedelics.  People want to dull out and blank out and lose inhibitions.  Alcohol is the drug of choice and I'm guessing the govt likes it that way.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14601256 - 06/12/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Alcohol is way too popular to ever be replaced with psychedelics.  People want to dull out and blank out and lose inhibitions.  Alcohol is the drug of choice and I'm guessing the govt likes it that way.




I guess, I certainly hope so.  I don't understand where people are getting this misconception that I'm a control freak who doesn't mind his own business from.  That's like saying because someone doesn't like my comment, they want to take away freedom of speech.  Noone ever said they wanted to take away freedom of speech, they just didn't like my comment.  This is stupid, you are allowed to form opinions on what other people do, just because you can't LEGALLY force them to do or not to do something doesn't mean you can't actually form a thought about it.  What tools the people are who think otherwise.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14601295 - 06/12/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You seem to have strong opinions on others but that's ok. You call them tools and such, so buck up and take your licks like a man. 

In other words, quit whining.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14601376 - 06/12/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You seem to have strong opinions on others but that's ok. You call them tools and such, so buck up and take your licks like a man. 

In other words, quit whining.




It's not like I'm crying over it, but I'm simply making a point.  There's a reason this is in the Philosophy, Sociology, and Psychology section and not in Politics.  I'm not trying to justify Prohibition, I'm just making a point.  And I think you as well as many other people on here are being hypocrites.  If me forming opinions on others' drug use is being too judgmental, then so is there reaction to this question.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14601391 - 06/12/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If me forming opinions on others' drug use is being too judgmental, then so is there reaction to this question.


I personally don't think you're being too judgmental, I just think your judgment on this issue is fucking stupid. :shrug:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14601821 - 06/12/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm just making a point.

You can't make a point in this forum with opinion. :nono:


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Poid]
    #14603224 - 06/12/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If me forming opinions on others' drug use is being too judgmental, then so is there reaction to this question.


I personally don't think you're being too judgmental, I just think your judgment on this issue is fucking stupid. :shrug:




Then what would be the correct judgment, in your opinion?


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14603510 - 06/12/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.  And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?  If mushrooms were legalized, for instance, they would gain publicity, more people would know about them, and more people would be willing to try them.  And I know what you're thinking - Salvia isn't like that.  Datura isn't like that.  But these drugs aren't as well known as others like mushrooms and LSD.  And since these haven't been in the spotlight of federal politics yet they haven't gained any publicity and won't until they are banned (which knowing our government and society, is bound to happen eventually.)

In short, I definitely don't want drugs banned, but I'm also afraid that if they are, they will become more mainstream and people will just casually use it like they do alcohol.  I'm afraid more people might try psychedelics to "get fucked up" then to actually gain any insight from it or use it in a more dignified manner.  I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.

What do you think?




well if psychedelic's went mainstream then i think you would need to get psychedelic's on vinyl -ba dum, tsss- but in all seriousness, drugs are just drugs, people take way to much pride in their drug use and almost start acting like its a clubhouse where no girls are allowed or something. I mean seriously, lets not be hipsters


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Powdered_Toastman]
    #14603522 - 06/12/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course I think it's an absurdity and in no way justified that people are thrown in prison for smoking, eating, dropping, or in some other way consuming something, but I'm not sure if I would like it if psychedelics became mainstream.  And that's probably what would happen if drugs were legalized, wouldn't you think?  If mushrooms were legalized, for instance, they would gain publicity, more people would know about them, and more people would be willing to try them.  And I know what you're thinking - Salvia isn't like that.  Datura isn't like that.  But these drugs aren't as well known as others like mushrooms and LSD.  And since these haven't been in the spotlight of federal politics yet they haven't gained any publicity and won't until they are banned (which knowing our government and society, is bound to happen eventually.)

In short, I definitely don't want drugs banned, but I'm also afraid that if they are, they will become more mainstream and people will just casually use it like they do alcohol.  I'm afraid more people might try psychedelics to "get fucked up" then to actually gain any insight from it or use it in a more dignified manner.  I think people should have the right to do this, but I mourn the day when they start to do so.

What do you think?




well if psychedelic's went mainstream then i think you would need to get psychedelic's on vinyl -ba dum, tsss- but in all seriousness, drugs are just drugs, people take way to much pride in their drug use and almost start acting like its a clubhouse where no girls are allowed or something. I mean seriously, lets not be hipsters




I didn't mean to come off that way.  I find hipsters who think they're more enlightened than everyone else because they do drugs or spend all their time reading books about different types of anarchy to be annoying.  I guess I'm just a pretty reclusive person myself and I don't want to be associated with frat types and punk teenager stereotypes


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14603560 - 06/12/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Says you. So what if people want to use them for entertainment. What makes so called spiritual insight better? How about you sound egotistical and all superior instead of control freaky? :lol: You, and I, from what I can see here are average droll citizens.  We just like to think we're fundamentally different.




Hocus pocus aside, you don't feel someone who has worked to understand their mind is fundamentally different from someone who hasn't?

Given your assertion that the person is a an emergent property of the brain how does this view hold water given the fact that we know greater insight into the workings of our selves causes drastic changes in nearly every aspect of the persona?


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14604889 - 06/13/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I'm just a pretty reclusive person myself and I don't want to be associated with frat types and punk teenager stereotypes


What do you care if other people judge you incorrectly? It happens all the time.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14604908 - 06/13/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Says you. So what if people want to use them for entertainment. What makes so called spiritual insight better? How about you sound egotistical and all superior instead of control freaky? :lol: You, and I, from what I can see here are average droll citizens.  We just like to think we're fundamentally different.




Hocus pocus aside, you don't feel someone who has worked to understand their mind is fundamentally different from someone who hasn't?

Given your assertion that the person is a an emergent property of the brain how does this view hold water given the fact that we know greater insight into the workings of our selves causes drastic changes in nearly every aspect of the persona?





We all live, we eat, we shit, we breed, we die. This is fundamental.  Everything else is trivial imo.  Is your world and life that different from anyone else's?  Do you laugh and they don't? Do you suffer and they don't?  Do they have anxiety and you don't?  Do they dream and fantasize and you don't?  Are they delusional and you're not?

Only or two one degrees separates humans  imo.  Like genetically we are basically like our :monkeydance: brothers.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14604990 - 06/13/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ready for a lot of "I"s?


When I re-read my post I thought you'd simply respond "a persona is a persona".  :lol:  Close enough.

I don't know why I posted it really except that it reveals some mental battle going on behind the scenes.

I know that part of the way I cope with what I am going through is to believe that it is accomplishing something...going somewhere.   

I also know that I have been through periods where I have "lost" that belief and they were quite intense. 

Put all the pain and struggle in context of meaningless and it overwhelms you.  Kills you.

I'm more confused than usual man.  This is usually a good thing in retrospect, but in the moment it's a wee bit suckish.

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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14606140 - 06/13/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If me forming opinions on others' drug use is being too judgmental, then so is there reaction to this question.


I personally don't think you're being too judgmental, I just think your judgment on this issue is fucking stupid. :shrug:




Then what would be the correct judgment, in your opinion?


There is no "correct" judgment, as judgments are subjective opinions..there is no such thing as a "true" or "correct" opinion.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14606945 - 06/13/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I guess I'm just a pretty reclusive person myself and I don't want to be associated with frat types and punk teenager stereotypes


What do you care if other people judge you incorrectly? It happens all the time.




It's about self-perception.  I like to differentiate myself from these types in my own view.  I don't want to stop them from doing hallucinogens, I wouldn't even care much if they did, I just wouldn't want to associate with them.


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If me forming opinions on others' drug use is being too judgmental, then so is there reaction to this question.


I personally don't think you're being too judgmental, I just think your judgment on this issue is fucking stupid. :shrug:




Then what would be the correct judgment, in your opinion?


There is no "correct" judgment, as judgments are subjective opinions..there is no such thing as a "true" or "correct" opinion.




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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Cups]
    #14607361 - 06/13/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

oh I hear ya man. If you remember Becker put a lot of emphasis on this in his book.  That reminds me I have a question for you in PM. I just have to remember what it was.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14607368 - 06/13/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I just wouldn't want to associate with them.

Then don't, let them be and it's done.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14607488 - 06/13/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

this is how I feel about it too. very conflicted.

Like with weed lately it seems like it turned into a fashion statement almost-when I started toking people where I live acted like it was heroin or pcp or something and were complete fucking douchebags all through middle school and high school and everything, but now those same people are always at parties "oh check me out I smoke marijuana!". Theres shirts and hats at the mall I've seen with a pot leaf and gold glitter n shit :facepalm: and don't even get me started on shit like kesha or however the fuck u spell it.

I think the problem is that people start to use it recreationally until it becomes all about who does the biggest dose, the most often, etc etc (which already happens though of course, but I think it would get worse).

I think the solution is that it needs to be legalized with the proper perception. Weed, for instance, is at least still considered medicinal and I do believe that keeps it in a better place than if you could buy it at every walmart and gas station.

I believe that psychedelics need to be incorporated into a new psychotherapy tradition, a sort of "neo-shamanism". I would have people trained in psychology and therapy, but also cultural anthropology/sociology/world religions, etc so they can appropriately guide people through trips no matter their culture or religion, etc. All the problems with psychedelics come from improper use so if there was a type of clinic for it like in the early days of lsd, I think we could really harness its potential for therapeutic use.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14607660 - 06/13/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Many aspects of our society would have to change before psychedelics became mainstream, the most difficult of all being the hunger for knowledge and deeper understanding of the self, and the nature of existence and reality in relation to the self.

it is rare that somebody chooses to use psychedelics regularly unless they have discovered the the potential for these substances to give us a greater understanding of things.

What would I think? Apprehension and and relief would be felt in equal measure, the realization that humanity has taken such a step forwards would be difficult to come to terms with at first.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14608022 - 06/13/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Many aspects of our society would have to change before psychedelics became mainstream




i agree, which is why i don't see this happening anytime soon. proper education would be necessary if they became legal, which means throwing out all the propaganda we've been fed over the years.

can you imagine what would happen if the US suddenly abolished the drinking age? being thrown into such an opportunity for abuse would only cause problems, given the nature of our (the US) society. in places like Europe, where the drinking age is significantly lower, alcohol is eased into the situation more responsibly by parents allowing their children to drink at a much younger age.

but nowadays it seems that the general consensus when it comes to drugs is the more the better in all societies so who knows..


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: nglsnv]
    #14608210 - 06/13/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If psychedelics became mainstream then I expect that the psychological/psychiatric traditions would be forced to re-evaluate their all too common diagnoses of "Drug-induced psychosis", much as they were forced to remove homosexuality from the DSM when it became mainstream.

If you go into a church and hear God talking to you, there are few psychiatrists who would openly declare that you were mentally ill. Smoke some DMT and see machine elves and have trouble integrating this experience with your everyday life and they might.

I would also expect that psychedelics would come to be seen as a rite of passage for the many instead of the current few, in much the same way as getting so drunk you piss yourself is seen as a rite of manhood by many.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14608893 - 06/13/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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this is how I feel about it too. very conflicted.

Like with weed lately it seems like it turned into a fashion statement almost-when I started toking people where I live acted like it was heroin or pcp or something and were complete fucking douchebags all through middle school and high school and everything, but now those same people are always at parties "oh check me out I smoke marijuana!". Theres shirts and hats at the mall I've seen with a pot leaf and gold glitter n shit :facepalm: and don't even get me started on shit like kesha or however the fuck u spell it.

I think the problem is that people start to use it recreationally until it becomes all about who does the biggest dose, the most often, etc etc (which already happens though of course, but I think it would get worse).

I think the solution is that it needs to be legalized with the proper perception. Weed, for instance, is at least still considered medicinal and I do believe that keeps it in a better place than if you could buy it at every walmart and gas station.

I believe that psychedelics need to be incorporated into a new psychotherapy tradition, a sort of "neo-shamanism". I would have people trained in psychology and therapy, but also cultural anthropology/sociology/world religions, etc so they can appropriately guide people through trips no matter their culture or religion, etc. All the problems with psychedelics come from improper use so if there was a type of clinic for it like in the early days of lsd, I think we could really harness its potential for therapeutic use.





THANK YOU!  The first 3 paragraphs perfectly illustrate what I'm trying to say.  Down to the core.  Except I don't agree with your "legalize...with exceptions" idea.  Sounds too fascist, plus the cultural indoctrination part doesn't sound very nice either


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Icelander]
    #14608937 - 06/13/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ziggy-Shr00mdust said:
Many aspects of our society would have to change before psychedelics became mainstream




i agree, which is why i don't see this happening anytime soon. proper education would be necessary if they became legal, which means throwing out all the propaganda we've been fed over the years.

can you imagine what would happen if the US suddenly abolished the drinking age? being thrown into such an opportunity for abuse would only cause problems, given the nature of our (the US) society. in places like Europe, where the drinking age is significantly lower, alcohol is eased into the situation more responsibly by parents allowing their children to drink at a much younger age.

but nowadays it seems that the general consensus when it comes to drugs is the more the better in all societies so who knows..





I disagree.  I think with just a little pinch of media influence, any taboo act can become fad.  I think mainstream society could easily embrace psychedelics while still retaining our present cultural stupidity.  People will believe anything that comes out of a TV, even it it's utter bullshit. 

Anything that becomes mainstream is almost always bastardized.

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I just wouldn't want to associate with them.

Then don't, let them be and it's done.




Yes, I've never wanted not to let them be, but I still won't like it.  It's very difficult to repair the deep, personal sentiment an idea or thing has once it's been degraded into a popular fad.


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Re: What would you think if psychedelics became mainstream? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #14609066 - 06/13/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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THANK YOU!  The first 3 paragraphs perfectly illustrate what I'm trying to say.  Down to the core.  Except I don't agree with your "legalize...with exceptions" idea.  Sounds too fascist, plus the cultural indoctrination part doesn't sound very nice either




well I agree, I don't mean legal restrictions, but like marijuana, thats just how you go about it you know? Like you could go down to the clinic and get some lsd or whatever, but they give you some decent advice on it, etc. I'm just saying I would be uncomfortable with it being sold at walmart next to the bud light n shit, cuz that just puts it in the wrong light I think. If we could culturally keep it somewhat taboo to do psychedelics in a party/recreational setting, and make sure people have good, honest, and useful info on them. I mean thats what they try to do with alcohol, weed, prescription and even otc medication and I think the same precautions and education should apply to psychedelics. At the same time I think people who want to explore psychedelic use therapeutically should have more than adequate resources to do so.


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