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Hate is not the opposite of Love.
    #14597844 - 06/11/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

this is from a book i've read by Osho

And who can be love? Certainly, if you are not aware of who you are, you cannot be love. You will be fear. Fear is just the opposite of love. Remember, hate is not the opposite of love as people think; hate is love standing upside down, it is not the opposite of love. The real opposite of love is fear. In love one expands, in fear one shrinks. In Fear one becomes closed, in love one opens. In fear one doubts, in love one trusts. In fear one is left lonely, in love one disappears; hence there is no question of loneliness at all. When one is not, how can one be lonely? Then these trees and the birds and the clouds and the sun and the stars are still within you. Love is when you have known your inner sky.

And Tallis, this is the right moment, the right age, to enter into the world of love. This is the time when parents, the society, the state and the church go on poisoning children and making them afraid. This is the time when fear is created by the exploiters. This is the time when society reduces small children to slaves; and one can be reduced to a slave only if great fear is created.

Tallis, meditate, dance, sing, and go deeper and deeper into yourself. Listen to the birds more attentively. Look at the flowers with awe, wonder. Don't become knowledgeable, don't go on labeling things. That's what knowledgeability is - the great art of labeling everything, categorizing everything. From this age, start playing guitar or learn to play the flute. Meet people, mix with people, with as many people as possible, because each person expresses a different facet of God. Learn from people. Don't be afraid, this existence is not your enemy. This existence mothers you, this existence is ready to support you in every possible way. Trust, and you will start feeling a new upsurge of energy in you; that energy is love. That energy wants to bless the whole existence, because in that energy one feels blessed. And when you feel blessed what else can you do except bless the whole existence?

Fear is utterly impotent. It has never created anything. It cannot create; it is not. But it can destroy your whole life, it can surround you like a dark, dark cloud, it can exploit all your energies. It will not allow you to move into any deep experience of beauty, poetry, love, joy, celebration, meditation. No, it will keep you just on the surface because it can exist only on the surface. It is a ripple on the surface.


personal experience of hate not being the opposite of love:
when i am in an extremely good mood..content and knowing of "what IS".. somehow i always attract hateful people. however, i take it as a humorous thing..of course, because i am in such a great high. personally, it seems it is there for me to accept as entertainment. just think of this next time you see a hateful person. remember the difference between hate and fear.. if you can add on with any experiences or discussion, please do so. thanks!

What do you think? Do you still think hate is the opposite of love?

Edited by bobchillaxed (06/11/11 08:50 PM)

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed] * 1
    #14597913 - 06/11/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This sounds like a boilerplate sermon designed to lower the spiritual defences of people who have too much money on their hands. Fear can be very healthy, and fear of financial predators like the late Osho is extremely healthy.

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14597943 - 06/11/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hate is not the opposite of Love.

Agree.

However fear has helped mankind make it here. Fear is important for survival. Without fear one does not run from the tiger on the hunt or jump away from the speeding auto.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14598019 - 06/11/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If Osho/Rajneesh didn't believe in fear then why were there dozens of AK-47s at his 'ashram in Antelope, OR?


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Icelander]
    #14598021 - 06/11/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

One should never let a tiger drive a car. :nono:


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Icelander]
    #14598037 - 06/11/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

one cannot exist without the other.. both sides have to be acknowledged and respected.
((duality..yin and yang..))

it's not about 'believing'. one should never 'believe', in my opinion.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14598040 - 06/11/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If Osho/Rajneesh didn't believe in fear then why were there dozens of AK-47s at his 'ashram in Antelope, OR?




Cuz of the antelope, duh.  :facepalm3:

Gotta eat man.

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599227 - 06/12/11 02:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hate and fear are the same thing!!

Hate is the opposite of love. Same as fear.

Osho made a living off of the basic semantic principal of love and fear (hate). Once you start phrasing things in terms of hate, rationality might creep in, so we keep things simple. Nobody wants to be guilty of being fearful NO FEAR!! (so we admit to hate)... and everyone loves to hate (but we deny when it comes late). It's invigorating, unless it strains. Healthy even. If people didn't hate things... especially by being annoyed by things, nothing would get done. People hate when certain things don't get done. That's why it's better when things get done. Otherwise, things suck... Sounds dumb, but it makes the world go around.

People destroy, and it creates. Without destruction, the world would not be like it is today.
More to the point, Osho's legacy is in the middle of being forgotten in case it hasn't been noticed.
Don't be ashamed he said... but there's plenty of room for shame for the shameful... they should have known better!
Live and learn?

Osho wanted to be a guru. Fault?


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599306 - 06/12/11 02:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Fear is just the opposite of love. Remember, hate is not the opposite of love as people think; hate is love standing upside down, it is not the opposite of love. The real opposite of love is fear.


hate - Thesaurus.com
Quote:

Antonyms: liking, love, loving



fear - Thesaurus.com
Quote:

Antonyms: bravery





You are incorrect on both counts..hate is the opposite of love, and the opposite of fear is not love, it is bravery.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14599312 - 06/12/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you're focusing way too much on Osho..
like i said, in my own experience, i have experienced hate is not the opposite of love.

i always attract hate when i'm high but it is not fearful hate.. the people are not afraid to express themselves, which is a good thing. it is not the opposite of love because there is still a connection being made. i think the definition for 'hate' has been warped and perceived differently.

it is not the same as fear, whereas a person in fear does not want to make a connection of any type.

here is another experience/example of my own:
i have friends, and my friends have other friends. some of my friends get along with my other friends, and some of my friends hate my other friends. (it's important your perception on 'hate'). to me, this is not a bad thing at all. there is still a connection between them, and they both know it. there was just never chemistry between them, and it ends there.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599321 - 06/12/11 02:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
Quote:

Antonyms: liking, love, loving



fear - Thesaurus.com
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Antonyms: bravery





You are incorrect on both counts..hate is the opposite of love, and the opposite of fear is not love, it is bravery.




lol. come on, are you serious?
that's like going to the beach, picking up one grain of sand and declaring that to be the ultimate truth.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599322 - 06/12/11 02:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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that's like going to the beach, picking up one grain of sand and declaring that to be the ultimate truth.


I have no clue WTF you're talking about.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599333 - 06/12/11 03:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

just because a thesaurus says so, does not make it to be true. there is a lot of discussion about 'opposites' and many times they aren't always right..

North South
Dark Light
Good Evil
Left Right
Up Down
Heaven Hell
Poor Rich
Smart Dumb
White Black
Everything Nothing
Antidote, Poison
High, Low

love/fear

further explaining,
I do think hate can possibly potentially lead to fear.. but for one living in love, can also live in hate because hate is just love standing upside down.(which is a great way to put it)
it's kind of similar to saying hate is a gateway emotion.. (like marijuana is a gateway drug) .. not true.

what if i told you you're living in fear of living in hate?
when you could be living in love of living in hate.

why don't you love to hate? (lol)

i'm serious. give it a thought.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599339 - 06/12/11 03:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not fixating on Osho (you quoted), but if he said what was said, he was wrong! Hate and fear -are- the same thing (I am disagreeing with your basic gist) Hate is a means of expressing fear but perhaps without the social stigma attached. And people soak it up because they're mostly fear gluttons. Wrap it in the flag of a 'legitimate' fear and we can all be afraid and enjoy it! Fun stuff.

That's not to say there is something 'wrong' with being hateful or being fearful. Humans are hateful, fearful creatures.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599348 - 06/12/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bobchillaxed said:
just because a thesaurus says so, does not make it to be true.


So you're basically defining the terms 'hate', 'love', and 'fear' in such a way that is not in accordance with current dictionaries/thesauruses?

Why do so many people in this forum do this? :lol:


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there is a lot of discussion about 'opposites' and many times they aren't always right..


What do you mean "many times they aren't always right"? Mind substantiating this statement?


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North South
Dark Light
Good Evil
Left Right
Up Down
Heaven Hell
Poor Rich
Smart Dumb
White Black
Everything Nothing
Antidote, Poison
High, Low


A nice list of opposites. :thumbup:


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Love/Fear
Love/Indifference


Those are not opposites..just because you say they are does it make it true.


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bobchillaxed said:
Love/Hate


Opposites. :thumbup:


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I do think hate can lead to fear..


Why not?


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but for one living in love, can also live in hate because hate is just love standing upside down.(which is a great way to put it)

what if i told you you're living in fear of living in hate?
when you could be living in love of living in hate.

why don't you love to hate? (lol)

i'm serious.


You just seem to be rambling on about a bunch of nonsensical bullcrap to me..none of this in the least substantiates your claim that hate is not the opposite of love, and that fear is the opposite of love.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Rahz]
    #14599350 - 06/12/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not fixating on Osho (you quoted), but if he said what was said, he was wrong! Hate and fear -are- the same thing (I am disagreeing with your basic gist) Hate is a means of expressing fear but perhaps without the social stigma attached. And people soak it up because they're mostly fear gluttons. Wrap it in the flag of a 'legitimate' fear and we can all be afraid and enjoy it! Fun stuff.

That's not to say there is something 'wrong' with being hateful or being fearful. Humans are hateful, fearful creatures.



fear and hate are not the 'same' thing. they are two quite 'different' things. the way you describe the part i underlined shows your perspective very clearly to me.. you're looking at 'hate' from a different perspective..a perspective that seems like a programmed one to a degree from society. no offense, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599361 - 06/12/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bobchillaxed said:
just because a thesaurus says so, does not make it to be true.


So you're basically defining the terms 'hate', 'love', and 'fear' in such a way that is not in accordance with current dictionaries/thesauruses?

Why do so many people in this forum do this? :lol:


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bobchillaxed said:
there is a lot of discussion about 'opposites' and many times they aren't always right..


What do you mean "many times they aren't always right"? Mind substantiating this statement?


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North South
Dark Light
Good Evil
Left Right
Up Down
Heaven Hell
Poor Rich
Smart Dumb
White Black
Everything Nothing
Antidote, Poison
High, Low


A nice list of opposites. :thumbup:


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bobchillaxed said:
Love/Fear
Love/Indifference


Those are not opposites..just because you say they are does it make it true.


Quote:

bobchillaxed said:
Love/Hate


Opposites. :thumbup:


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bobchillaxed said:
I do think hate can lead to fear..


Why not?


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bobchillaxed said:
but for one living in love, can also live in hate because hate is just love standing upside down.(which is a great way to put it)

what if i told you you're living in fear of living in hate?
when you could be living in love of living in hate.

why don't you love to hate? (lol)

i'm serious.


You just seem to be rambling on about a bunch of nonsensical bullcrap to me..none of this in the least substantiates your claim that hate is not the opposite of love, and that fear is the opposite of love.



dude fuck you to that last part.
your obviously not listening, you are reading but it's not going through.

i showed those three examples of love and three different opposites to show that there are many different things people will call something the opposite of.
i've said a lot, and write more than you read.


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599373 - 06/12/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you're looking at 'hate' from a different perspective..a perspective that seems like a programmed one to a degree from society.


And you're saying that your perspective hasn't been programmed to a degree by society?


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dude fuck you to that last part.


:rofl2:


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bobchillaxed said:
your obviously not listening, you are reading but it's not going through.


:andyistic:


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i showed those three examples of love and three different opposites to show that there are many different things people will call something the opposite of.


Then why didn't you explain why you provided those examples? You think unclear ramblings are really going to allow people to understand WTF you're trying to express?

All you did was provide a list of opposites, followed by two examples of things that aren't opposites, followed by one example of an opposite, you didn't explain how this relates to your claims in the OP.


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i've said a lot, and write more than you read.


Your schizophrenic ramblings do not impress me in the least..there is no way you can know if you write more than I read, because you don't know me. If you truly do write more than I read, however, and all your writings are like this, that is nothing to be proud of..you should know how to intelligibly express yourself if you actually write more than I read, assuming of course that you're not suffering from either some type of mental illness or learning disorder.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: Poid]
    #14599375 - 06/12/11 03:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bobchillaxed said:
i showed those three examples of love and three different opposites to show that there are many different things people will call something the opposite of.


Then why didn't you explain that that was why you provided those examples? You think unclear ramblings are really going to allow people to understand WTF you're trying to express?




I DID.
"there is a lot of discussion about 'opposites' and many times they aren't always right.."


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Re: Hate is not the opposite of Love. [Re: bobchillaxed]
    #14599377 - 06/12/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, we're not going to agree to disagree, we're going to argue about it.:tongue:

Hate is a particular form of fear. Hate is a sub-category of fear. If you disagree, provide an example. Let's examine.


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