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 Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally  [Re: Icelander]
#14590846 - 06/10/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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...The Whale... If you read a recent front page story of the San Francisco Chronicle, you would have read about a female humpback whale who had become entangled in a spider web of crab traps and lines. She was weighted down by hundreds of pounds of traps that caused her to struggle to stay afloat. She also had hundreds of yards of line rope wrapped around her body, her tail, her torso, a line tugging in her mouth. A fisherman spotted her just east of the Farallon Islands (outside the Golden Gate ) and radioed an environmental group for help. Within a few hours, the rescue team arrived and determined that she was so bad off, the only way to save her was to dive in and untangle her. They worked for hours with curved knives and eventually freed her. When she was free, the divers say she swam in what seemed like joyous circles. She then came back to each and every diver, one at a time, and nudged them, pushed them gently around as she was thanking them. Some said it was the most incredibly beautiful experience of their lives. The guy who cut the rope out of her mouth said her eyes were following him the whole time, and he will never be the same.
I'm sure they were just anthropomorphizing all of that.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Poid]
#14591227 - 06/10/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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at least nobody tried to take it back to sea world
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Icelander]
#14592308 - 06/10/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
...The Whale... If you read a recent front page story of the San Francisco Chronicle, you would have read about a female humpback whale who had become entangled in a spider web of crab traps and lines. She was weighted down by hundreds of pounds of traps that caused her to struggle to stay afloat. She also had hundreds of yards of line rope wrapped around her body, her tail, her torso, a line tugging in her mouth. A fisherman spotted her just east of the Farallon Islands (outside the Golden Gate ) and radioed an environmental group for help. Within a few hours, the rescue team arrived and determined that she was so bad off, the only way to save her was to dive in and untangle her. They worked for hours with curved knives and eventually freed her. When she was free, the divers say she swam in what seemed like joyous circles. She then came back to each and every diver, one at a time, and nudged them, pushed them gently around as she was thanking them. Some said it was the most incredibly beautiful experience of their lives. The guy who cut the rope out of her mouth said her eyes were following him the whole time, and he will never be the same.
I'm sure they were just anthropomorphizing all of that.
so, back to the original topic,
What is so anthropomorphic about the animal's behavior?
It didnt seem to be using complex language, executive planning, abstract thought, teleological perception, creativity, etc.
It seemed to show joy plus aknowledgement of agency.
I thought even dogs show these emotions...
I think the great joy is inherent in the fact that the animal is so huge. Humans feel great when they have a good connection with an animal like a dog or a horse. But most humans barely have contact with whales, let alone a good connection with one.
So I don't really see the point you are trying to make. Are you trying to say that whales are emotionally inferior because their emotions are less diverse? If so, which emotion do you think the humans are wrongly attributing to the whale?
Or are you saying that whale emotions just don't matter as much? If so, why?
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Noteworthy]
#14592320 - 06/10/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was being sarcastic.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Icelander]
#14592344 - 06/10/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, it didnt come across at all
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Noteworthy]
#14592423 - 06/10/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's cause I'm good. 
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Noteworthy]
#14592703 - 06/10/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, it didnt come across at all
You must not know him.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14592724 - 06/10/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander has changed since the years ago when we joined (we all change. Except OC.), and Id say that his earlier self would possibly have made this thread without sarcasm.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Noteworthy]
#14592743 - 06/10/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This place changed my views on humanity. I had a tiny ray of hope for our species before I started posting here.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Icelander]
#14592879 - 06/10/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You dont know who your are
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Noteworthy]
#14592939 - 06/10/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How could I, I didn't create myself.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Noteworthy]
#14592953 - 06/10/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You dont know who your are
*you
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Icelander]
#14594396 - 06/11/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
...The Whale... If you read a recent front page story of the San Francisco Chronicle, you would have read about a female humpback whale who had become entangled in a spider web of crab traps and lines. She was weighted down by hundreds of pounds of traps that caused her to struggle to stay afloat. She also had hundreds of yards of line rope wrapped around her body, her tail, her torso, a line tugging in her mouth. A fisherman spotted her just east of the Farallon Islands (outside the Golden Gate ) and radioed an environmental group for help. Within a few hours, the rescue team arrived and determined that she was so bad off, the only way to save her was to dive in and untangle her. They worked for hours with curved knives and eventually freed her. When she was free, the divers say she swam in what seemed like joyous circles. She then came back to each and every diver, one at a time, and nudged them, pushed them gently around as she was thanking them. Some said it was the most incredibly beautiful experience of their lives. The guy who cut the rope out of her mouth said her eyes were following him the whole time, and he will never be the same.
I'm sure they were just anthropomorphizing all of that.
Well my cat got stuck in one of those sticky fly traps and it kept getting worse and worse. He got mad and ran around in circles and yowled. After a while I got him to hold still while I held fur with one hand and pulled sticky trap with the other. I will never forget the look in his eyes as he thanked me. He will never be the same either.
Next I plan to start saving flies stuck in spider webs. I never thought that was fair of the spiders to do that. Payback is a bitch you eight legged freaks!
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Icelander]
#14594900 - 06/11/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
...The Whale... If you read a recent front page story of the San Francisco Chronicle, you would have read about a female humpback whale who had become entangled in a spider web of crab traps and lines. She was weighted down by hundreds of pounds of traps that caused her to struggle to stay afloat. She also had hundreds of yards of line rope wrapped around her body, her tail, her torso, a line tugging in her mouth. A fisherman spotted her just east of the Farallon Islands (outside the Golden Gate ) and radioed an environmental group for help. Within a few hours, the rescue team arrived and determined that she was so bad off, the only way to save her was to dive in and untangle her. They worked for hours with curved knives and eventually freed her. When she was free, the divers say she swam in what seemed like joyous circles. She then came back to each and every diver, one at a time, and nudged them, pushed them gently around as she was thanking them. Some said it was the most incredibly beautiful experience of their lives. The guy who cut the rope out of her mouth said her eyes were following him the whole time, and he will never be the same.
I'm sure they were just anthropomorphizing all of that.
Too bad the whale never knew that the same species that freed her from that shit-trap were the same one's to put it in place. Wonder how thankful she'd be if she knew 
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: skippyluvs]
#14595226 - 06/11/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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IMO it's good the whale never knew and even if she did maybe she's wise enough to know that these guys were not the ones that set those trap or set them with her in mind.
You must remember she kills for a living too.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Icelander]
#14595791 - 06/11/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Orcas are pretty smart. I can't find the video but there is one with them hunting a seal. They get the seal but let it go in the end! It turns out they were just teaching the young how to hunt and weren't hungry. You can say they are superior to humans in some respects.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14596235 - 06/11/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most all animals excel over humans in some area as we excel over them in one or more.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: Icelander]
#14597479 - 06/11/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
IMO it's good the whale never knew and even if she did maybe she's wise enough to know that these guys were not the ones that set those trap or set them with her in mind.
You must remember she kills for a living too.
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Re: I'm pretty sure other animals are inferior to us emotionally [Re: skippyluvs]
#14597735 - 06/11/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually, the whale went back and told all the other whales how it was rescued by "aliens" from "out there" who are kind and care for all the whales. The aliens deserve worship and adoration.
In a related story in a few years oceanographers will find something like this on the ocean floor.
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